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Thanks for sharing. But I wanted to know more on the issue/rift between the 2. and why does US/UAE/Egypt back someone who oppose the Gov set up and recognized by UN post Qaddafi?
 

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Thanks for sharing. But I wanted to know more on the issue/rift between the 2. and why does US/UAE/Egypt back someone who oppose the Gov set up and recognized by UN post Qaddafi?
Because they are incompetent, and corrupt to the core.

LNA is recognized by US, Russia, China,UAE, Egypt & KSA.
 

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Because they are incompetent, and corrupt to the core.

LNA is recognized by US, Russia, UAE, Egypt & KSA.
Haftar is purported to be a warlord so how does that jive?
 

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Not sure if US is backing Haftar, could be though, I believe he has CIA ties. But I think the main power behind Haftar is France, UAE are the boots on the ground backing them.

They would rather have a warlord than an Islamist Government, I think that's the main reason, but there are also different political situations going on too with Turkey's involvement
 

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Not sure if US is backing Haftar, could be though, I believe he has CIA ties. But I think the main power behind Haftar is France, UAE are the boots on the ground backing them.

They would rather have a warlord than an Islamist Government, I think that's the main reason, but there are also different political situations going on too with Turkey's involvement
Ah so the same old canard...
Happened in Algeria in 1990s when FIS won the democratically held election, but due to their islamist leanings, not palatable to their french overlords.
Repeated with Egypt and western powers were quite happy with Sissi instead of democratically elected governments not to their liking.
 

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Ah so the same old canard...
Happened in Algeria in 1990s when FIS won the democratically held election, but due to their islamist leanings, not palatable to their french overlords.
Repeated with Egypt and western powers were quite happy with Sissi instead of democratically elected governments not to their liking.
Here's an interesting read

 

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US backs UN against Egypt initiative on Libya

Washington (AFP) - The United States called Thursday for a UN-led ceasefire on Libya, distancing itself from a proposal by ally Egypt, and voiced alarm about the toll on civilians as the tide of war turns.

Egypt -- a main backer of strongman Khalifa Haftar, who is losing ground to the UN-recognized, Turkish-backed government -- has proposed a truce in which "foreign mercenaries" would leave and militias would disband and disarm.

David Schenker, the top US diplomat for the Middle East, voiced appreciation to Egypt, saying it was "productive to have more unity in Libya."

"That said, we think that the UN-led process and the Berlin process are really the framework -- the most productive framework -- to engage in negotiations to make progress on a ceasefire," he told reporters.


Germany in January brought together key stakeholders in Berlin in a conference aimed at ending the bloodshed and stabilizing Libya, a major gateway for migrants to Europe.

Both Turkey and the UN-recognized Government of National Accord have voiced skepticism about the Egyptian initiative, seeing it as a way to buy time as Haftar loses ground.

The UN mission to Libya on Thursday voiced "horror" at reports of at least eight mass graves in areas evacuated by Haftar.

Schenker called the accounts of mass grounds "truly disturbing" and also warned that a government advance on Sirte, a remaining Haftar stronghold, "could have serious humanitarian consequences."

He urged both sides to "protect civilians and prevent further damage to infrastructure," including schools, water supplies and oil facilities.

"We continue to call for de-escalation, a ceasefire, a return to political negotiation," he said.

"Now is a time for Libyans on all sides to act so neither Russia, nor any other country, can interfere in Libya."

Russian mercenaries have assisted Haftar, according to a UN report. The strongman is also backed by the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia, which have close relations with US President Donald Trump.

The United States recognizes only the UN-backed government, but Trump caused confusion last year by praising Haftar after a telephone conversation with him.
 

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France factor disrupts Turkey's plan for control of Sirte

France, Russia seen forging defacto alliance in Libya.





TUNIS – A Libyan political source said that a Russian-French alliance is being formed in Libya, a move that seems to have disrupted Ankara's plan for an agreement with Moscow that would enable it to take control of Sirte.
“It seems that France has started to line up with Russia against Turkey, and in truth, it is against the United States,” the source told The Arab Weekly
The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, explained that “the Russians and the French view Sirte with the same importance; both want the port and the base of Al-Qardabiya.”
Observers made a link between the postponement of a planned official visit to Turkey by Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoygo and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and a statement issued by the French presidency on Sunday strongly criticising Turkey's intervention in Libya. The timing of both developments may indicate that there was last minute coordination between Moscow and Paris.
The French statement limited itself to attacking the Turkish intervention, ignoring the campaign led by the US State Department to inflate Russia's role in Libya.
France, which has been intensifying for months its criticism of Turkish regional ambitions, said that Turkey was pursuing “an even more aggressive and insistent stance (in Libya), with seven Turkish ships deployed off the Libyan coast and violations of the arms embargo.”
“The Turks are behaving in an unacceptable manner and are exploiting NATO. France cannot just stand by," added the French presidency.
A French presidency official said on Monday that France wants to hold talks with NATO members to discuss Turkey's increasingly “aggressive” and “unacceptable” role, highlighting the increased tension between Ankara and Paris.
France and Russia support the Libyan National Army (LNA) in its war against terrorist groups and armed militias, while Turkey supports the Islamist-dominated Government of National Accord (GNA) in Tripoli.
On Monday, Reuters quoted an unidentified Turkish official as saying, “Russia and Turkey postponed their talks on defusing the fighting in Libya because of a dispute regarding the Ankara-backed Tripoli government 's bid to regain control of the main coastal city of Sirte from the Russian-backed army.”
The Turkish official said that talks are continuing through back channels at the level of experts from both countries.
“The (postponed) meetings were supposed to lead to (concrete) results, but it was not possible to reach that stage. Both countries do not see to eye on some issues,” the official added.
Despite the importance of the city of Sirte to Russia, Turkey was hoping to conclude a deal with Russia similar to the one that led to the withdrawal from west Tripoli, hence allowing Turkey to gain control of this coastal city, which has special importance to the United States. Turkey’s intervention in Libya was implicitly blessed by the United States.
In Turkey's calculations, Russia's relinquishing Sirte does not seem impossible, since Ankara can offer Moscow the airbase of al-Jufra, described as the most important base in Libya, while keeping the base of al-Qardabiya to itself. These calculations, however, seem to have not taken into consideration French interest in the city, particularly its port that Paris was planning to make its nearest gate to Africa.
Russia is aware that the recent French escalation, which was preceded by French Rafale fighters flying over the city, would spoil any deal with Turkey that might take place.
The Rafale overflights carried a message to Moscow, namely that if France had agreed to force the LNA to withdraw from the western region, it was because such a withdrawal was in line with the outcomes of the Berlin conference. France, however, is not willing to tolerate the surrender of Sirte and would not hesitate to move to counter any attack on LNA forces in the city.
Located approximately halfway between Tripoli, which is under the GNA’s control, and Benghazi, controlled by the LNA, Sirte is the closest city to the main oil and gas terminals in Libya.
This is also why Sirte has special importance to the United States, which had assisted the Misrata militia to liberate the city from the clutches of ISIS in 2016.
At the time, it was reported that the United States refused to allow the LNA, under the command of Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar, to take part in the liberation of Sirte, even though the LNA had prepared to take part in the battle.
With the Misrata militias in control of Sirte, the city's residents started to complain of repeated attacks perpetrated against the city by the militias and of the GNA’s systematic and deliberate marginalisation of the city, since Sirte is the birthplace of the late Colonel Muammar Qaddafi and most of its residents hail from the Qaddafi and Farjan tribes. Haftar belongs to the Farjan tribe.
In early January, LNA forces took advantage of the withdrawal of most of the Misrata militia from Sirte to go fight on the battle fronts in south Tripoli and stormed the city in a lightning operation that lasted just hours. Sirte has been under LNA control ever since
 

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French Rafale destroyed Turkish air defense system in Al-Watiya airbase, source reveals to 218News | 218 News

 

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French Rafale destroyed Turkish air defense system in Al-Watiya airbase, source reveals to 218News | 218 News

That is an interesting escalation amongst 2 NATO members.
 

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French Rafale destroyed Turkish air defense system in Al-Watiya airbase, source reveals to 218News | 218 News

Would be interesting to know what kind of system was destroyed
 
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