Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[Mechanic]

how scared are we with Rafeal's? what's the threat assessment?

Indians have a habit of overrating things , Just visit an Indian Quora page ,you will be amazed how Indian so called defence experts have written pages and pages of how their Mig-21 shot down our F-16 with complete scenarios , How their Su-30s are best in the word and 1 Su-30 will be enough to shoot whole Pakistani fighter squadrons ,They have a habit of over rating things ,I even read an article in which an Indian explained (and alot of others agreed with him) how their Su-30 is on par with Russian Su-35 and after HAL upgrade its Su-30 they will be better than Russia's Su-35s and said that Russia is trying to fool India by selling Su-30 in a new cameo , They were literally dissing their ally just to prove that their fighter jets were better, that were bought from that ally , Rafael bhi mana bht acha jet hai lekin India ne isko Itna overrate kiya hoa hai k mere jesa aam banda jab unki batein sunta hai to bas yehi samjhta hai k agar isk muqablay main koi cheez Pakistan na laya to pata nhi kiya jo jaye ga , Its a good jet but its way over rated by Indians and its not that much of a problem jitna show kiya ja raha hai , isk missiles k counter k missiles hamaray pass hai , China, Russia ,US stealth fighters ko detect karnay walay radars bhana rhy hain or Indians ne Semi stealth Rafael ko hi asman pe charha diya hai , Jab tak India ne 36 Rafael induct karnay hain tab tak China ne isk Radar ka bhi hal nikal lena hai , Ab to agar Top 10 fighter jets ki video main koi F-18 ya F-15 ko Rafael se opar rakh dy , Indians video dislike karna start kar detay hai

 

[Aadi]

Pakistan can counter SCALP with SOM and Meteor with PL15

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Hey! I want to ask what is the difference between raad 2 and SOM?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Hey! I want to ask what is the difference between raad 2 and SOM?

Ra'ad is heavier
SOM is lighter

Ra'ad is greater in size while SOM is smaller

Ra'ad can carry less weight (200 kg) of warhead while SOM can carry more (230 kg)

Ra'ad can't be integrated with F16 while SOM can be integrated on F16

JF17 can carry both SOM and Ra'ad depending on the mission type

SOM has semi armour Piercing Warhead while Ra'ad doesn't

SOM varients

• SOM-B1: Advanced air force variant that engages a military target in precision strike mode using imaging infrared matching at the terminal stage.
• SOM-B2: Special air force variant featuring a dual-stage penetrator warhead which is designed to engage strategic and well-protected assets in precision strike mode.

 

[Caprxl]

Ra'ad is heavier
SOM is lighter

Ra'ad is greater in size while SOM is smaller

Ra'ad can carry less weight (200 kg) of warhead while SOM can carry more (230 kg)

Ra'ad can't be integrated with F16 while SOM can be integrated on F16

JF17 can carry both SOM and Ra'ad depending on the mission type

SOM has semi armour Piercing Warhead while Ra'ad doesn't

SOM varients

• SOM-B1: Advanced air force variant that engages a military target in precision strike mode using imaging infrared matching at the terminal stage.
• SOM-B2: Special air force variant featuring a dual-stage penetrator warhead which is designed to engage strategic and well-protected assets in precision strike mode.

Nice, kindly also add the stand off range of both the missiles as well & at the moment I think Ra'ad is mated with Mirage not thunders.

 

[safriz]

When i was in "Chaddi" i heard India has SU-30MKI which cam singlehandedly wipe the entire PAF.
Then came 27th of February.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Ra'ad is heavier
SOM is lighter

Ra'ad is greater in size while SOM is smaller

Ra'ad can carry less weight (200 kg) of warhead while SOM can carry more (230 kg)

Ra'ad can't be integrated with F16 while SOM can be integrated on F16

JF17 can carry both SOM and Ra'ad depending on the mission type

SOM has semi armour Piercing Warhead while Ra'ad doesn't

SOM varients

• SOM-B1: Advanced air force variant that engages a military target in precision strike mode using imaging infrared matching at the terminal stage.
• SOM-B2: Special air force variant featuring a dual-stage penetrator warhead which is designed to engage strategic and well-protected assets in precision strike mode.

SOM has less range than Raad...so I don't exactly see the point...
Raad's range can be reduced for a heavier payload...that makes SOM redundant.

Raad can also be integrated on F16 just like SOM...that's not the problem. The problem is whether or not US would allow that. Israel has a history of using its own avionics and munitions with American jets bcuz the US allows it. Without US permission Pak can't use SOM with it...nor Raad.

An armor piercing warhead wouldn't be hard to produce for Pak. It would be a better investment to produce an armor piercing warhead for Raad than acquire SOM with that capability.

SOM is only useful for countries that don't have something equivalent. Raad comes very close in a lot of parameters of SOM...and exceeds in some. Therefore there's no need of it.

 

[Gripen9]

SOM has less range than Raad...so I don't exactly see the point...
Raad's range can be reduced for a heavier payload...that makes SOM redundant.

Raad can also be integrated on F16 just like SOM...that's not the problem. The problem is whether or not US would allow that. Israel has a history of using its own avionics and munitions with American jets bcuz the US allows it. Without US permission Pak can't use SOM with it...nor Raad.

An armor piercing warhead wouldn't be hard to produce for Pak. It would be a better investment to produce an armor piercing warhead for Raad than acquire SOM with that capability.

SOM is only useful for countries that don't have something equivalent. Raad comes very close in a lot of parameters of SOM...and exceeds in some. Therefore there's no need of it.

We also have GB6 SOW for JF17s.

 

[Mastankhan]

I see cognitive dissonance - my Pakistani friends hoping (dreaming, fantasizing) for F-16s but thinking F-35s are entrapment, a ploy, a slave contract. Which is it? You can't have the cake and eat it too...

Hi,

The F35 or any other tier1 american fighter aircraft give the US the final and ultimate control over your nation's fighting capabilities.

First of all---you cannot fight the americans---second of all---the americans know of your game plan---if they don't like it---you are screwed---.

A tier 1 fighter aircraft from the US is like the final nail in the coffin and any iota of thought and concern you h=may have had of doing your own thing is gone for ever---.

For the F16's---we already are a lackey of the US---and God know how many times we have been steamrolled over stuff that hardly meant anything---. The US did it---just because they could do it---.

So---if india decides to take our place and be 'bit-ch' slapped by the americans anytime they chose to---hey---they are welcome to take our place---.

 

[Blackbirdz!]

Pakistan can counter SCALP with SOM and Meteor with PL15

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SCALP has been countered by Raad II (550 km range)

 

[Blackbirdz!]

Ra'ad is heavier
SOM is lighter

Ra'ad is greater in size while SOM is smaller

Ra'ad can carry less weight (200 kg) of warhead while SOM can carry more (230 kg)

Ra'ad can't be integrated with F16 while SOM can be integrated on F16

JF17 can carry both SOM and Ra'ad depending on the mission type

SOM has semi armour Piercing Warhead while Ra'ad doesn't

SOM varients

• SOM-B1: Advanced air force variant that engages a military target in precision strike mode using imaging infrared matching at the terminal stage.
• SOM-B2: Special air force variant featuring a dual-stage penetrator warhead which is designed to engage strategic and well-protected assets in precision strike mode.

Raad carries warhead of 250 kg not 200

 

[Khafee]

Ra'ad is heavier
SOM is lighter

Ra'ad is greater in size while SOM is smaller

Ra'ad can carry less weight (200 kg) of warhead while SOM can carry more (230 kg)

Ra'ad can't be integrated with F16 while SOM can be integrated on F16

JF17 can carry both SOM and Ra'ad depending on the mission type

SOM has semi armour Piercing Warhead while Ra'ad doesn't

SOM varients

• SOM-B1: Advanced air force variant that engages a military target in precision strike mode using imaging infrared matching at the terminal stage.
• SOM-B2: Special air force variant featuring a dual-stage penetrator warhead which is designed to engage strategic and well-protected assets in precision strike mode.

Nothing can be integrated into the F16, without US permission. Just because the Turks can do it, doesn't mean PAF can do it as well.

 

[BATMAN]

When i was in "Chaddi" i heard India has SU-30MKI which cam singlehandedly wipe the entire PAF.
Then came 27th of February.

We should have used that God given opportunity to put their claims to trash bin.

 

[baqai]

patriotism aside, one should never ever EVER consider the enemy to be weak

 

[Khafee]

patriotism aside, one should never ever EVER consider the enemy to be weak

The term that is used in the Armed forces is "do not be complacent"

 

[Zarvan]

patriotism aside, one should never ever EVER consider the enemy to be weak

Exactly and Rafale is a beast and we need a jet to answer this beast.