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Egypt-Greece joint military exercise “illegal”, warns Turkey

CAIRO: Greece’s joint military exercise with Egypt, Medusa 5, has brought an angry response from Turkey.

The exercise, which began on Monday on the Greek island of Rhodes and ends today, included joint naval operations and search-and-rescue drills. Egyptian naval and air forces took part.

In a written statement, Turkey’s Foreign Ministry alleged the exercise is illegal, citing the 1947 Treaty of Paris, which prohibits any kind of military education activities on Rhodes.
The island was informally united with Greece after World War II on the condition that it would remain demilitarized.

“Therefore, this … is an open breach of international law,” the statement claimed.

Turkey and Greece came to the brink of war as recently as 1996, when a dispute over the ownership of uninhabited islets known as Imia in Greek and Kardak in Turkish threatened to escalate out of control, before US diplomatic intervention calmed the situation. But that territorial dispute — along with the wider disagreements over sovereignty in and around the Aegean Sea.

According to the Anadolu news agency, the statement said Turkey had conveyed warnings to the Greek Embassy in Ankara and reminded them of the importance of avoiding unilateral actions that could increase tensions in the Aegean Sea.

Rhodes is located in the southeastern part of the sea, close to the Turkish coast. In July, the Greek coastguard opened fire on a Turkish commercial ship in international waters off the island’s coast.

“In this framework, we stress our expectation that Greece will avoid hostile acts and acts against international law, and we invite third parties not to be partners to these kinds of violations by Greece,” the statement added.

Observers from four countries — America, Italy, Cyprus and the UAE — have been invited to Medusa 5.

Meanwhile, Greek Minister of National Defense Panos Kammenos told the press on October 1 that Greece is planning to hold joint military exercises with Cyprus, Egypt and Israel — a move that many suggest was intended as a message to Ankara that major regional powers support Greece’s stance against Turkey, which Greece claims is stealing its right to gas in the Eastern Mediterranean.

While Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan reportedly plans to visit Greece in late November or early December, tensions have been rising between the traditional rivals since the failed coup attempt in Turkey in July 2016.

During a joint news conference with his Greek counterpart, Nikos Kotzias, on Oct. 24, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu urged Greece not to become a “safe haven” for the architects of the coup attempt, citing the 995 people who have applied for asylum in Greece since then.

In response, Kotzias said decisions on asylum seekers were made by the Greek judiciary and had to be respected “even if it doesn’t please some.”

Mohamed Abd Elkader, editor-in-chief of Turkish Affairs, a review published by Egypt’s Al Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies, said he believes the current posturing is unlikely to escalate into any serious military confrontation.

“Egypt, Greece and Cyprus have greatly enhanced cooperation in the last three years, and that has increased Turkey's concerns in the Eastern Mediterranean,” he told Arab News.

“Turkey sent some of its military planes to eavesdrop and spy on the drills, but no further response is probable,” he added.

“The two nations are both using their political leverage for the time being, but the military balance and regional context in Europe or in the Middle East don’t offer the possibility of a military option,” Abd Elkader concluded.
 

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Why would Turkey warn Greece when the military exercise is taking place on internationally recognized sovereign areas belonging to Greece! I don't understand this dispute maybe @T-123456 can chime in.
 

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Why would Turkey warn Greece when the military exercise is taking place on internationally recognized sovereign areas belonging to Greece! I don't understand this dispute maybe @T-123456 can chime in.
That is because the 1947 Treaty of Paris prohibits any kind of military education activities on the Rhodes island, which was transferred to Greece from Italy after World War II on the condition that it would be disarmed.
“Therefore, this military exercise conducted on Rhodes is an open breach of international law.”
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/us-treaties/bevans/m-ust000004-0311.pdf
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-warns-greece-over-illegal-military-exercise-121824
 

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That is because the 1947 Treaty of Paris prohibits any kind of military education activities on the Rhodes island, which was transferred to Greece from Italy after World War II on the condition that it would be disarmed.
“Therefore, this military exercise conducted on Rhodes is an open breach of international law.”
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/us-treaties/bevans/m-ust000004-0311.pdf
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-warns-greece-over-illegal-military-exercise-121824
The international community will most likely stand with Greece against Turkey as they have always been selective when it comes to muslim countries. (!_!)
 

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In the 70's, Turkey created a force called "the Aegean army" which was meant just for Greece and which is stationed right across from the Greek islands close to turkey, so Greece has militarized ALL those islands, it has had no choice but to do so and , the exercises are held in international waters anyway. When turkey removes this force next to Greek islands maybe Greece will stop bolstering the defenses there and having exercises there.
 

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In the 70's, Turkey created a force called "the Aegean army" which was meant just for Greece and which is stationed right across from the Greek islands close to turkey, so Greece has militarized ALL those islands, it has had no choice but to do so and , the exercises are held in international waters anyway. When turkey removes this force next to Greek islands maybe Greece will stop bolstering the defenses there and having exercises there.
Are those disputed islands historically belong to Greece or Turkey?
 

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Are those disputed islands historically belong to Greece or Turkey?

The Islands are not disputed internationally and their status is very clearly territory of Greece , the region which we are discussing here are the "Dodecanese" islands and their status was settled after WW2 in the Paris Peace Treaty, other islands north of that which belong to Greece which are directly adjacent to turkey( and which are also under constant threat from turkey) have never been granted demilitarized status and they exist as part of Greece , officially within the Lausanne Treaty, which was signed by numerous countries, including turkey. IOW, Questioning the ownership of the Dodecanese island chain would be like another nation questioning the status of the state of Florida, whether it belonged to the U.S. or not. Turkey as it has been known, is a nation which is no stranger to disregarding treaties and/or blatantly manipulating those which she has signed. Erdogan himself has stated that "to us the Lausanne treaty is DEAD" , regardless that turkey is a signateur to this treaty, which was one of the most important treaties of the 20th century and solidified the status of huge amounts of territory of not only Greece, but the Balkans , Cyprus and Turkey itself. If Erdogan really meant what he said, then the whole issue of ceding Turkish territory can very well be placed back on the table, as it was BEFORE the Lausane treaty, namely..........return of large portions of eastern turkey to Armenia and re-opening of the turkish-kurdistan question, which existed before the Laussanne Treaty. In light of these facts, I don't think Erdogan wants to go down that road. I would also like to add that Turkey's "Aegean Army" ( or 3rd Army as they call it) has amphibious forces directly stationed across every Greek island from the outlet of the Dardenelles to the island of Rhodes. In light of this physical reality, Greece has absolutely and completely no choice but to be prepared and vigilant in the face of this severely offensive military posture , not to mention the fact that Turkey has stated numerous times that it has the right to declare these islands as Turkish territory AND that the line of deliniation in the Aegean sea starts in the MIDDLE OF THE AEGEAN (which goes against all relevant treaties signed and not signed) Sorry for the long reply but I think a little bit of backround to related treaties here and the nature of turkish dealings with treaties is necessary.
 
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The international community will most likely stand with Greece against Turkey as they have always been selective when it comes to muslim countries. (!_!)

I think that this statement is not true regarding Greece and Turkey. Turkey has been the spoilt child of the international community for almost a century. This is changing due to erdogan's extremely dangerous policies in the region and his flagrant dismissals of vital treaties which formed the boundaries of many nations in the region, namely the Laussane Treaty, which is a landmark in international diplomacy. If it was up to turkey, the situation pre- world war 1 would be implemented. This is basically what erdogan has clearly stated more than once when he displayed his hatred of the Lausanne treaty. Such a stance is dangerous and if an attemp was made unilaterraly by turkey to implement his sick wishes , physically, it would no doubt lead to a regional war and likely a world war when we consider the alliances. Erdogan treats Greece and the rest of the Balkans as ottoman villayets, which are still under the control of the ottoman empire that has been dead for over a hundred years. Turkey's behavior in international relations and within NATO itself has been horrible at best and It is no surprise that the U.S. has hinted only last week that it is considering ( I think it's already been decided imo) removing Turkey from the F35 program and it has been suggested that Greece, Romania and Poland recieve those F35's instead of Turkey since she can no longer be trusted to suppor the alliance. For all intents and purposes Turkey is only a member of NATO on paper and that will not last long IMO.
 
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I would also like to add that Greece has better relations overall with Moslem countries than Turkey does. Greece has always had good relations with Moslem nations btw. Turkey has decent relations with some moslem nations and horrible relations with others. Your country btw as you may know has shakey relations with Turkey and Erdogan, as he treats the balkans as ex villayets is starting to do the same with Saudi Arabia. He has stated his desire to reinstate the ottoman caliphate wihch is bad news for your country too. He wants expansion into the gulf.
 

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Islands are clearly disputed by Turkey, otherwise Greece had been doing air exercises with Egypt inside Egypt from the time of Mubarak.
 

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Yes I know, turkey also disputes the status of half of the Aegean. Furthermore, Turkey had relinquished all claims to the Dodecanese island chain (including Rhodes) in the Lausanne treaty, however now she is saying something completely different. This is why turkey is increasingly considered a pariah state as each year passes.
 

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Yes I know, turkey also disputes the status of half of the Aegean. Furthermore, Turkey had relinquished all claims to the Dodecanese island chain (including Rhodes) in the Lausanne treaty, however now she is saying something completely different. This is why turkey is increasingly considered a pariah state as each year passes.
Isn't Lusanne treaty going to end in 2023 and than obviously Turkey isn't going to sit idle.
or maybe i have not the correct understanding of the deal.
 

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Isn't Lusanne treaty going to end in 2023 and than obviously Turkey isn't going to sit idle.
or maybe i have not the correct understanding of the deal.
The Lausanne treaty doesn't have an expiration date.
 
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