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Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

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Signalian said:
PAF/PN doesnt have experience with Folding wing aircrafts.
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At this point your just nitpicking because you seem to hate it.

PN doesnt have experience with the Ada class

PN doesnt have experience with the type 54

PN doesnt have experience with the 4 subs it bought

Do you want me to go on?
 
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Pakhtoon yum said:
At this point your just nitpicking because you seem to hate it.

PN doesnt have experience with the Ada class

PN doesnt have experience with the type 54

PN doesnt have experience with the 4 subs it bought

Do you want me to go on?
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Hi,

Parents with their first child don't have any experience either---but they still learn.
 
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Zeeman said:
How hard can unfolding be ? Seriously what is your point?
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Hi,

That is the question---? What is the pilot going to do---try folding the wings while flying---.

If he has to fold them on the ground---that is like flipping a switch---and not getting a crank handle and cranking the wing to down----or up---.
 
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Hi,

Parents with their first child don't have any experience either---but they still learn.
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That's the point of staying on top. You do things you havent done before so that you're prepared. If we go with his argument then PAF/PN shouldn't have got rid of their post independence equipment and kept using them to this date.
 
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Pakhtoon yum said:
At this point your just nitpicking because you seem to hate it.

PN doesnt have experience with the Ada class

PN doesnt have experience with the type 54

PN doesnt have experience with the 4 subs it bought

Do you want me to go on?
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Requirements of PAF which seem a lot to differ as far as JF-17 and Azm projects are going, as well as history. Since J-15 is based on SU-33, if it does come, it has to be seen if following are required:

1. Folding wings are an option which PAF requires or not.
2. A strengthened under carriage.
3. Arresting hook.

SU-33 has a primarily air superiority role, J-15 is fighter-bomber, it has to be seen how PAF utilises it.

Above points bring in more discussion points, like STOVL, if J-31 gets this capability and PAF wants such proposition in AZM in long term. There was discussion about a helicopter carrier since an aircraft carrier is used for force projection which doesnt seem to be on PN agenda. One has to see what kind of aircraft carrier (Ski-Jump or catapult etc) can it be suited to or that it will never have any carrier borne opes capability. Apart from that, what does a twin engine multi role fighter bring for PAF when its actually a carrier based aircraft which is seen to be acquired for PN. Why wouldn't J-16 be a better option, apart from that single seat and tandem seat arrangement, what could be other differences. The EW variant of J-16D seems a plausible candidate too. This leads to another thought that after J-15, would PAF go for J-16 also or customise J-15 to a completely non-navalized version. The combo of J-15 with JF-17 for certain Ops (Naval, regular CAPs etc), J-15 sorties with stealth aircraft like Azm in future, data linking J-15 with F-16 or Mirage ROSE squadrons for strike missions etc. There are few types of PAF aircrafts already suited for Naval missions - Mirage-V, JF-17 and its expected that F-16 will complement naval missions as it has ability to carry AGM-84 Harpoon, further more PN itself has aircrafts which carry AShM like P-3C as an example. The advent of a Rebuild factory for Flanker series in PAC. Circumvention of export licenses for FlankerJ-series by PRC.

I have provided some food for thought now although initially i had planned to toss them around one by one.

Broaden your horizon a bit, my standard of posting is not that low that i resort to nit picking. I have just floated a point to be discussed, not to be judged.

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How hard can unfolding be ? Seriously what is your point?
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Kuwaitis, canadians, Australians used F18 for decades and never used the folding mechanism. They didn't seem to have any issues.
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Signalian said:
Requirements of PAF which seem a lot to differ as far as JF-17 and Azm projects are going, as well as history. Since J-15 is based on SU-33, if it does come, it has to be seen if following are required:

1. Folding wings are an option which PAF requires or not.
2. A strengthened under carriage.
3. Arresting hook.

SU-33 has a primarily air superiority role, J-15 is fighter-bomber, it has to be seen how PAF utilises it.

Above points bring in more discussion points, like STOVL, if J-31 gets this capability and PAF wants such proposition in AZM in long term. There was discussion about a helicopter carrier since an aircraft carrier is used for force projection which doesnt seem to be on PN agenda. One has to see what kind of aircraft carrier (Ski-Jump or catapult etc) can it be suited to or that it will never have any carrier borne opes capability. Apart from that, what does a twin engine multi role fighter bring for PAF when its actually a carrier based aircraft which is seen to be acquired for PN. Why wouldn't J-16 be a better option, apart from that single seat and tandem seat arrangement, what could be other differences. The EW variant of J-16D seems a plausible candidate too. This leads to another thought that after J-15, would PAF go for J-16 also or customise J-15 to a completely non-navalized version. The combo of J-15 with JF-17 for certain Ops (Naval, regular CAPs etc), J-15 sorties with stealth aircraft like Azm in future, data linking J-15 with F-16 or Mirage ROSE squadrons for strike missions etc. There are few types of PAF aircrafts already suited for Naval missions - Mirage-V, JF-17 and its expected that F-16 will complement naval missions as it has ability to carry AGM-84 Harpoon, further more PN itself has aircrafts which carry AShM like P-3C as an example. The advent of a Rebuild factory for Flanker series in PAC. Circumvention of export licenses for FlankerJ-series by PRC.

I have provided some food for thought now although initially i had planned to toss them around one by one.

Broaden your horizon a bit, my standard of posting is not that low that i resort to nit picking. I have just floated a point to be discussed, not to be judged.
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China legally cant sell the j-16. I'm sure you are aware of how China built the J-15 and how it can export it because it avoids those legal restrictions.

If you could also go through this thread and read what members have been saying about the role for these jets and what they are being bought for. Then you wouldn't be asking redundant questions.

@Khafee Also pointed out multiple times that for Pakistan it's only a J-15 by name. Meaning its completely different then the ones Chinese are operating. He also stated that's is far more advanced compared to the ones they operate. Do care to go back and read what he said.
 
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