Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Scorpio]

KHI airport shut down. EK2201 special flt was not allowed to land, going back now. About to land at DXB.

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[Cookie Monster]

What is the possibility of these news jets are just here for trails at the moment. Yeah trails can happen in China as well but we want to test them in our semi Western environment. J15s as claimed is purely Chinese built and integrated with Chinese eco system where as our systems are mostly western. We may like to test their interoperability and compatibility with our data link 16, Saab Awacs, western ground based radars etc etc before saying yes to them. That's is why so much secrecy is being maintained.

I think it was probably on Quwa that I read...or maybe some other news source which said that some sort of a bridging solution is in place...
...PAF has net centricity...all the data communicated via Link 16 and Link 17(plus whatever other datalinks that may be in use) all gets combined to make one comprehensive picture.

While I don't know the exact details but I think it works like this...
An F16 on patrol picks up a target on its radar(let's say an IAF Su30 flying across the border)...it relays that info over to the Erieye(which has Link 16 and the customer can also use their own TDL as per SAAB...so presumably it also has Link 17) flying nearby. Somewhere else a little further out a JF17 picks up another target...it also relays to the Erieye...
...the Erieye is receiving all the info from two separate western and Chinese platforms...while also sending out the info to these assets(JF17 can now receive data regarding the Su30 MKI that the F16 had detected). Essentially the Erieye is working as the go between for the two jets of different origins. The same go between type of thing can be done using a ground station...where the data is received from multiple different sensors of different origins.

So if such a thing is already in place with previous jets of Chinese origin(JF17, ZDK, F7?)...no point in testing it over and over again with J10 and J15.

 

[Salza]

I think it was probably on Quwa that I read...or maybe some other news source which said that some sort of a bridging solution is in place...
...PAF has net centricity...all the data communicated via Link 16 and Link 17(plus whatever other datalinks that may be in use) all gets combined to make one picture...

So if such a thing is already in place with previous jets of Chinese origin(JF17, ZDK, F7?)...no point in testing it over and over again with J10 and J15.

Its not confirmed. Heard that Zdk Awacs cannot talk to F16s and vice versa so there is an ambiguity. And since J15s will be a high ticket item, we need to test it fully before adopting them into our doctrine. Rest can be answered by subject experts.

 

[Zulu]

100% sachi baat sary mausam insaan ky apny andar sy hotay hain bhai aaj tu Allah khair kary bht barish kal tak chance haii let see how it effects things

Bro ..... Dil ka weather acha ho tu sab weather achey lagtey hein.☺

 

[TsAr]

Guys lets keep this a J-15 thread, no more off topic posts here.

 

[Zarvan]

What is the possibility of these news jets are just here for trails at the moment. Yeah trails can happen in China as well but we want to test them in our semi Western environment. J15s as claimed is purely Chinese built and integrated with Chinese eco system where as our systems are mostly western. We may like to test their interoperability and compatibility with our data link 16, Saab Awacs, western ground based radars etc etc before saying yes to them. That's is why so much secrecy is being maintained.

Sir our pilots have been flying both J 11 and J15/J16 series and J 10 for years and years now. In every exercise and even without exercises our guys fly them. So they already know enough to take a decision.

 

[Zarvan]

Why block 3 is taking so much time... Its not like we are adopting 5 generation technologies into that plane.. Thing is we want to make that jet as compatible with our systems as much as we can.

BLOCK III is on schedule and you may one day hear Pakistan all of a sudden inducting first squadron of BLOCK III

 

[Salza]

Sir our pilots have been flying both J 11 and J15/J16 series and J 10 for years and years now. In every exercise and even without exercises our guys fly them. So they already know enough to take a decision.

Merely flying them is another thing while adopting them into our environment completely another.

 

[TomCat]

BLOCK III is on schedule and you may one day hear Pakistan all of a sudden inducting first squadron of BLOCK III

Proof

 

[Salza]

I think it was probably on Quwa that I read...or maybe some other news source which said that some sort of a bridging solution is in place...
...PAF has net centricity...all the data communicated via Link 16 and Link 17(plus whatever other datalinks that may be in use) all gets combined to make one comprehensive picture.

While I don't know the exact details but I think it works like this...
An F16 on patrol picks up a target on its radar(let's say an IAF Su30 flying across the border)...it relays that info over to the Erieye(which has both Link 16 and the customer can also use their own TDL as per SAAB...so presumably it also has Link 17) flying nearby. Somewhere else a little further out a JF17 picks up another target...it also relays to the Erieye...
...the Erieye is receiving all the info from two separate western and Chinese platforms...while also sending out the info to these assets(JF17 can now receive data regarding the Su30 MKI that the F16 had detected). Essentially the Erieye is working as the go between for the two jets of different origins. The same go between type of thing can be done using a ground station...where the data is received from multiple different sensors of different origins.

So if such a thing is already in place with previous jets of Chinese origin(JF17, ZDK, F7?)...no point in testing it over and over again with J10 and J15.

I am still not sure eireyes can talk to Chinese fighters. We have oem rights and have customized JF17s completely as per our needs where as J15 will be different case to deal with. Anyways it will be good if we all our assets can communicate with each other at the same time.

 

[Salza]

BLOCK III is on schedule and you may one day hear Pakistan all of a sudden inducting first squadron of BLOCK III

Its already 2 years behind. I remember few years back it was been said that block 3 will be inducted by the end of 2018.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I am still not sure eireyes can talk Chinese fighters. We have oem rights and have customized JF17s completely as per our needs where as J15 will be different case to deal with. Anyways it will be good if we all our assets can communicate with each other at the same time.

There's absolutely no reason to think that the Chinese would refuse Pak to have Link 17 on J15.

As for Erieye...it's highly likely that Pak is using Link 17 with it. SAAB allows for it...that much I know for a fact...
...but I have no confirmation that says outright that Erieye has Link 17.

In any case at the end of the day...I'm just a civilian...and what I have said is my opinion based on the news I have read over the years. I was just sharing what I know...but I could be wrong.

 

[Mechanic]

Its already 2 years behind. I remember few years back it was been said that block 3 will be inducted by the end of 2018.

Production was supposed to be started in 2019 but got delayed and PAF ordered more JF-17s Block 2s to fill the gap , Pak also got interested in B Variants and ordered i believe 26 of those , 2nd prototype was supposed to be made in early 2020 but we didnt see any maybe because of COVID but now some people are saying that PAF will directly induct them in next 2-3 months which probably means no more prototypes will be shown and direct induction may start

 

[Zarvan]

I am still not sure eireyes can talk to Chinese fighters. We have oem rights and have customized JF17s completely as per our needs where as J15 will be different case to deal with. Anyways it will be good if we all our assets can communicate with each other at the same time.

Chinese AWACS are doing great. They are in southern parts not because they lack something but we need our sea covered also. I also had doubts about them but talked to few guys they said they are fine and soon will get further upgraded

 

[Zarvan]

Production was supposed to be started in 2019 but got delayed and PAF ordered more JF-17s Block 2s to fill the gap , Pak also got interested in B Variants and ordered i believe 26 of those , 2nd prototype was supposed to be made in early 2020 but we didnt see any maybe because of COVID but now some people are saying that PAF will directly induct them in next 2-3 months which probably means no more prototypes will be shown and direct induction may start

Pakistan won't take the risk of not building any more prototypes. More prototypes will be built but they may never get revealed and when testing is done we may hear Pakistan inducting a squadron out of blue