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When Russia becomes Iran's ally . . . anyone who attacks Iran for any reason whatsoever, summons Russia into the fray.

Russia and Iran sign military cooperation agreement - World - Israel News | Haaretz

Iran and Russia have signed a military cooperation pact, the official TASS Russian news agency reported on Tuesday.

The agreement to intensify military and technological cooperation was made during a Tehran meeting between Iranian Defense Minister Hossein Deghan and visiting Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, Russian media reported.

Shoigu, who arrived in Tehran on Sunday, was quoted by sputniknews.com as saying: “We are in favor of long-term and multi-level cooperation with Iran and welcome the Iranian leadership’s attempts to expanding its ties with Russia, including in military defense. We have common challenges and threats in the region that we can oppose only if we communicate."

Shoigu will also reportedly meet General Hassan Firouzabadi, the Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, while in Tehran.

Iran's IRNA state news agency described Shoigu's visit as an "outstanding event."

"Iran and Russia are able to confront the expansionist intervention and greed of the United States through cooperation, synergy and activating strategic potential capacities," Dehghan said. "As two neighbors, Iran and Russia have common viewpoints toward political, regional and global issues."

Shoigu did not the mention ongoing controversy over a deal to deliver a sophisticated air defense missile system to Iran. In 2007, Russia signed a $800-million contract to sell Tehran the S-300 missile system, but the weaponry was never delivered amid strong objections by United States and Israel.

Iran has filed a lawsuit with a court in Geneva seeking $4 billion in damages over the breach of the contract, but the court hasn't yet made any ruling. Russia has insisted that its decision to freeze the S-300 delivery was based on the United Nations Security Council's sanctions against Iran.

Iran's state TV reported Tuesday that Iran and Russia have agreed to settle their differences over the missile deal, without offering further details.

Last year, Russian media reports said that Moscow had sought to end the dispute by offering Iran a different, slightly inferior version of the S-300 system, but Tehran had rejected the proposal.

Russia remains a central player in ongoing negotiations concerning Iran's nuclear program between the Islamic Republic and the West. In January, it was reported that Iran tentatively agreed to ship much of its material needed to manufacture nuclear weapons to Russia.

In May 2014, it was reported that Russia planned on signing a contract with Iran to build two more nuclear reactors at its Bushehr power plant as part of a broader deal for up to eight reactors in Iran.
 

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That is indeed, bad tidings for Israel. Especially now that the current president of America seems to want nothing more to do with them and a large amount of people everywhere else in the world thinks they're the bad ones here. They will have to be a lot more careful with their actions from now on. I feel so sorry for these people who are living in constant fear of being killed, not just Israel, but also other war stricken countries around it.
 

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a large amount of people everywhere else in the world thinks they're the bad ones here.
Israel murdered thousands of innocents in Gaza last year. How are they not the bad ones? In time, should Israel pursue the same policy of terrorism in the name of protecting themselves, they'll not only alienate their allies but may [also] find themselves facing a formidable foe . . . Russia. Eventually they will.
 

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Israel murdered thousands of innocents in Gaza last year. How are they not the bad ones? In time, should Israel pursue the same policy of terrorism in the name of protecting themselves, they'll not only alienate their allies but may [also] find themselves facing a formidable foe . . . Russia. Eventually they will.
I refuse to start a discussion about this. This always ends badly with neither of us coming to agreement with each other. I have spoken to some people from both of those countries and or nearby countries. Yes, Israel has bombed others, but that is also as they were bombed. All is fair in war, like saying they killed those people, but people from that place also killed some of theirs.

I will only make my stand that there's more to what's happening than just what you hear and see on T.V. Israel isn't as bad as what everyone thinks they are and when you've got a whole terrorist group involved in a war, can't you just stop to think as to what's really happening?
 

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Saying Israel was justified in killing innocent Palestinians is tantamount to supporting terrorism. Terrorists attack and kill anybody. Israel does the same thing.
While proclaiming their supposed “concern” about civilian casualties, there can be no doubt that Netanyahu and his generals waged a deliberate campaign of terror directed against the population of Gaza as a whole.

It was a campaign of terror carried out by a terrorist state.
 

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Yes, I get your point, but don't you think it's a little justified when even kids are being sent to attack them? Just to catch them off guard? It's paranoia, thinking everyone is possibly an enemy.
 

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Israel has one of the best intelligence agencies in the world. Who recruits the kids? Brainwashes them? Those should be the people they target. Such preemptive action [killing Hamas leaders] would neutralize the terrorist organization.
 

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You make it sound so simple, but when you're talking about a country who hates the other to the core, how do you differentiate between who to kill and who not to kill. Not even the best intelligence in the world can help you find something that's like a needle in a haystack. Besides, every country is capable of this, but not once has there ever been a war where it was fought by killing the head first and not the foot soldiers. Don't blame another country for not doing something every other country could do as well, whether it's possible or not, isn't something I can decide on. War is war, I don't see the benefit of risking one's troops to find the masterminds. They have to protect their people too.
 

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Israel has one of the best intelligence agencies in the world. Who recruits the kids? Brainwashes them? Those should be the people they target. Such preemptive action [killing Hamas leaders] would neutralize the terrorist organization.
Assassination is against international law - if they did as you suggest the outcry would be at least as loud. The situation there is a problem that is millennia old and deeply ingrained in religion and history. It is not going to be fixed by outside help like the IRA was, as the hardliners will always break agreements and walk way from the table/give impossible demands for the sake of disrupting any peace accord. The only hope is that in future, as the elders die off, the young have more open eyes - but indoctrine makes this a difficult wish too. At some point technology will be at a state that Israel can protect itself from external mortar attacks and bomb vests smuggled under the wall (and sit safely begind their walls without need for retaliation)- lets just hope technology doesn't go the route of offense instead.
 

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The only hope is that in future, as the elders die off, the young have more open eyes - but indoctrine makes this a difficult wish too.
It's Israel that is AGAINST peace. A two state solution would end the Palestine-Israel conflict. But does Israel want that? Does the U.S want that? The U.N?
 

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It's Israel that is AGAINST peace. A two state solution would end the Palestine-Israel conflict. But does Israel want that? Does the U.S want that? The U.N?
Yes they all want it - it was offered in the 30s and 40s and rejected by Palestine both times. There would have been a small Israeli state, with most lands being Arab and Jerusalem an independent international protectorate (thereby stopping either owning it). The 67 war costs the Arab Palestinians loose much of those lands. Israel (and also the USA and other UN voters like Canada) have rejected all proposals of a 2 state system since the 70s where they have been based on a pre-67 map.

I do not think a 2-state solution would end the problems - any more than it has with any other country where sections put claim to lands "owned" (i.e. in possession of) by another. The PLO miss judged the strength of Israel in 67 and took a big gamble - they lost, but are still offered their own state - it is because they want pre-67 borders, based on ex-British 1949 lines, that they conflict continues.
 

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