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14th August 1947, a new country appears on the world map (or to put it more accurately two new nations appear on the face of world map who have been coexisting in the same country for centuries). As (not so distant) history confirms, this new formation on world map was not a new piece of big land that was somehow discovered by some explorer, but a division of an existing huge land .... the British India into two separate people, two separate nations. All this was result of a great struggle which later turned into a strenuous effort to preserve separate identities of two very different people.

Dear readers this division was not just some simple lines drawn on map but it involved an administrative nightmare .... the massive exodus of two different people from opposite side of newly drawn border to go and live on the other side. The reason for this wish to migrate to the other side? The purpose? The motive? It appears that at that time it was very clear to all of the two different people ...... they sensed they didn't belong anymore to the place where their forefathers and their forefathers had lived for centuries and died ........... what they knew at that point of time was we are no more owners of this land, this doesn't belong to us because we are different from people who are supposed to live here. The painful migration full of stories of humans sufferings was somehow completed and achieved, if not million ..... hundred of thousands died just to reach the land that they thought they now belonged to. What was this difference after all? Did they think they have different anatomy? Did they think they have different skin color? Or did they differ in what they believed? Any reasonable man would point out that it was their difference in two separate belief systems that lead to their migration and ultimately the division of British India into a Muslim majority Pakistan and a Hindu majority Hindustan.

One can ask today in world marred with ignorance and confusion, that ..... why was all this so important? Why were they crazy to leave their homes, suffer and get killed? Was this all for nothing? The answer would be ....... No ....... the urge to get identified separately, the urge to belong and live with people who they thought are similar to us ..... was so high that it made clear to two people how their belief systems are opposing and different. This clearly manifested that there are two different people with different identities who needed countries of their own to live in and govern them according to their wishes. No ifs and buts about sense of identity and purpose.

What should have happened and it did happen to some extent is that this understanding, belief and reason for a separate state should have been preserved for future generations to make them fully aware of why it was necessary and how it can never be reversed, not only by redrawing borders and merging again but also how we can not adopt a governing system that would go against the purpose of having a separate land and all the sacrifices to get that land. However, down the line the Muslim majority Pakistani people lost the sense of their identity and the purpose for which Pakistan was formed. The willingly fell into deep identity crisis and let in confusion fill the gaps. This marvelous stunt wasn't achieved that simply ....... it had many factors behind it, ranging from failing to adopt the principles of an Islamic state to, letting the dynasties, Generals and landlords and fake Saints .... a free hand to rule without any checks and balances in place, coupled with efforts of handful traitors who successfully distorted the meaning and purpose of Pakistan. The result of nearly 60 years of this incompetence and indifference was Pakistan descending into a deeply confused conservative theocratic state, a land that is blessed with immense resources but ripe with people who are corrupt, ignorant, extremists, deprived of any logic, reason, civility, vision and sense of direction. They started imitating the very people whom their forefathers considered different, they started propagating ideas that would render all those sacrifices and sufferings of their forefather as void and for nothing. A land blessed with access to ocean, rich in agriculture, minerals, natural resources failed to feed its people, a land where no one should have to worry about his safety, his family's safety, his wealth ended up failing to provide timely swift justice to its citizens. A state that was destined to be a modern Quranic Islamic state ended up with confusion about its founding father ....... some believe he was secular, some believe he was religious, some believe he was Shia, others believe he was Agha Khani and Qadiyanis complain that all his main supporters were Qadiyanis ......... no one even cares to study and accept that that man Muhammad Ali Jinnah may have wished to implement laws and form a state that would follow immutable guidance from Quran. All his post partition speeches are reflective of how a man who firmly believes in Quran would speak. Alas Pakistanis quarrel over whether those speeches meant to hint at a secular state or a deeply conservative theocratic state. The failure to formulate laws in accordance with immutable guidance from Quran keeps Pakistan and Pakistanis from achieving the very purpose it was destined to achieve.

Pakistan could have been anything, a leader in the Muslim world, a modern Muslim country that world would look at and admire ........... but somehow people of Pakistan chose to remain mentally slaves and beggars and preferred to live in hell like conditions. You won't see the sectarian divide anywhere else in the world like it exists in Pakistan, you won't see misinterpretation of Islamic beliefs anywhere else in the world like it is done daily in Pakistan, you won't see a corrupt worshiped like a God anywhere else but Pakistan. Give any other nation a country like Pakistan and see how it amazes the world but cursed are Pakistanis that they don't realise their potential, that they chose to remain beggars, that they chose to remain impotent. Today you would see Pakistanis writing and debating and supporting why secularism is necessary .......... but don't be mislead they are handful of few other confused Pakistanis who think a foreign alien concept would some how successfully remove all the ills of a deeply conservative (in a negative sense) society, accepting secularism would tantamount to accepting that there was no need for Pakistan from the start.

Newly formed Pakistan was / is like newly formed State of Madinah ........ compare the two, the risks, the threats the opportunities were similar in nature, but one progressed to be a just lawful state that would be beacon of hope for oppressed humanity of those times and the other descended into confusion. The only difference between the two is one strictly formulated laws in accordance with immutable guidance in Quran and the other covered Quran in fancy clothes and placed it high on shelves inside their home .......... just to be kissed and and recited in select few months and occasions, they keep hating their minority and keep dividing themselves based on their self styled religious narratives, but don't pay much attention to message of Quran, and no doubt Quran has warned that such people would live in hell like conditions, which we live in.

My message may be abhorrent and incoherent ........... but my solution at the end would do wonders.

@khafee @Jon Snow @H!thchiker and other respected members of this forum.
 

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Excellent read i must say ...Unfortunately we went astray and never ending identity crisis formed up in a society as to "Who we are" ..Imported ideology like secularism won't clear the smoke rather it has further exacerbated the conditions..Like you've mentioned we debate Jinnah was Secular or not, Sunni or Shia but won't debate his dream and desires for Pakistan...
Your message is coherent and concise ..We've a crisis in Pakistan in every section of society be it leadership or something else..I have seen Ulema choose not to speak against ills of leadership on a plea we've nothing to do with politics..How come ? One of the greatest thing taught to us was to speak righteous against the bad rulers or question them..Are we as a society willing to change ? We've not yet identified the true spirit
 

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Well written.

Im utterly disgusted by the stupidity of majority of the muslims. I'm not talking about Pakistan but in general. Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. The problem is that we don't read and that we don't find pleasure in reading the Quran otherwise all the issues within the muslim world would be resolved. I think there should some kind of force exercised by the state to end this madness once and for all. All religious schools outside of universities should be closed down. Fatwas should be limited to the Council of Senior Scholars not to every tom dick and harry. All Jumah ceremonies must be limited to the fundamentalism and principles of Islam. Speakers should not be allowed to address or incite religious divisions rather talk about prayer, fasting, Iman, mannerism...etc kind of topics. Science and art must be encouraged. Religious debate and religious parties should be completely banned. Poverty and illiteracy should be tackled. Pakistan has tremendous resources and manpower as well as strategic location. If only those resources are utilized properly, Pakistan will lead in the muslim world and beyond.
 

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Are we as a society willing to change ?
Our case is beyond willingness now, our forefathers were willing to leave their homes for a separate land where they could practice and implement Islam ....... great efforts and sacrifices were made ....... the question now is when are we going to achieve their dream? What is stopping us? I can list few of the points hinting at what went wrong and what needs to be done

  • Jinnah unfortunately died young Pakistani, had he lived a couple of more years we may have seen a total different Pakistan. However, no matter how much unfortunate that was but it was nature taking its course, something out of our control that we never could and never can control, but what we could have controlled is our own dedication, loyalty, unselfishness, honesty and truthfulness. Unfortunately Pakistani leaders with such qualities can be counted on fingertips. The saying that "Jaisi awam waisa raja" is totally wrong I say "Jaisa hukamran waisi awam" ..... because its a leader who shapes a nation.

  • Jinnah's death was dream come true for elitists in Pakistan like British era landlords, industrialists, fake peer faqeers, religious scholars and corrupt politicians .......... basically you can say it was an eid for Haman, Qaroon (Croesus) and Pharoah ....... the religious clergy, the capitalist and the emperors / rulers who would all exploit other humans for their own benefits and gains ........... all these three (the religious clergy, the capitalist and the kings) are main hurdles in implementation of Islamic laws and establishing an Islamic society ........ all these three are enemies of Islam and humanity ........ as Quran tells us again and again. You can see these three classes have been the ones who have destroyed Pakistan and exploited Pakistanis tirelessly.

  • Once Pakistan started to get ruled by characterless people, the foundations for widespread rot were laid then and there, this rot was first exploited by sectarians for their own gains, religious clergy for their own version of Islam, and politicians / rulers including Generals for extending their rule, and foreign powers for their own interests ........... this rot deepened so much that we started hating each other on basis of linguistic, ethnicity, sect differences .... so much so that we ended up killing more than 70 thousand innocent Pakistanis. We now vote corrupt people in for our own petty little gains, we come out in their support no matter how corrupt they are.

If we have to ever progress in the forward direction we need to chain all these three and start understanding the message of Quran, then may be we can adopt the role of torch bearers for humanity as Quran wishes for us.

The problem is that we don't read and that we don't find pleasure in reading the Quran otherwise all the issues within the muslim world would be resolved.
As long as we will keep reciting Quran for blessing only, we won't understand the message and purpose. Unless we read Quran for understanding and look around us and start doing research, we will keep failing. The day we understand Quran's message properly would be the day we become the true liberals and liberators.
 

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14th August 1947, a new country appears on the world map (or to put it more accurately two new nations appear on the face of world map who have been coexisting in the same country for centuries). As (not so distant) history confirms, this new formation on world map was not a new piece of big land that was somehow discovered by some explorer, but a division of an existing huge land .... the British India into two separate people, two separate nations. All this was result of a great struggle which later turned into a strenuous effort to preserve separate identities of two very different people.

Dear readers this division was not just some simple lines drawn on map but it involved an administrative nightmare .... the massive exodus of two different people from opposite side of newly drawn border to go and live on the other side. The reason for this wish to migrate to the other side? The purpose? The motive? It appears that at that time it was very clear to all of the two different people ...... they sensed they didn't belong anymore to the place where their forefathers and their forefathers had lived for centuries and died ........... what they knew at that point of time was we are no more owners of this land, this doesn't belong to us because we are different from people who are supposed to live here. The painful migration full of stories of humans sufferings was somehow completed and achieved, if not million ..... hundred of thousands died just to reach the land that they thought they now belonged to. What was this difference after all? Did they think they have different anatomy? Did they think they have different skin color? Or did they differ in what they believed? Any reasonable man would point out that it was their difference in two separate belief systems that lead to their migration and ultimately the division of British India into a Muslim majority Pakistan and a Hindu majority Hindustan.

One can ask today in world marred with ignorance and confusion, that ..... why was all this so important? Why were they crazy to leave their homes, suffer and get killed? Was this all for nothing? The answer would be ....... No ....... the urge to get identified separately, the urge to belong and live with people who they thought are similar to us ..... was so high that it made clear to two people how their belief systems are opposing and different. This clearly manifested that there are two different people with different identities who needed countries of their own to live in and govern them according to their wishes. No ifs and buts about sense of identity and purpose.

What should have happened and it did happen to some extent is that this understanding, belief and reason for a separate state should have been preserved for future generations to make them fully aware of why it was necessary and how it can never be reversed, not only by redrawing borders and merging again but also how we can not adopt a governing system that would go against the purpose of having a separate land and all the sacrifices to get that land. However, down the line the Muslim majority Pakistani people lost the sense of their identity and the purpose for which Pakistan was formed. The willingly fell into deep identity crisis and let in confusion fill the gaps. This marvelous stunt wasn't achieved that simply ....... it had many factors behind it, ranging from failing to adopt the principles of an Islamic state to, letting the dynasties, Generals and landlords and fake Saints .... a free hand to rule without any checks and balances in place, coupled with efforts of handful traitors who successfully distorted the meaning and purpose of Pakistan. The result of nearly 60 years of this incompetence and indifference was Pakistan descending into a deeply confused conservative theocratic state, a land that is blessed with immense resources but ripe with people who are corrupt, ignorant, extremists, deprived of any logic, reason, civility, vision and sense of direction. They started imitating the very people whom their forefathers considered different, they started propagating ideas that would render all those sacrifices and sufferings of their forefather as void and for nothing. A land blessed with access to ocean, rich in agriculture, minerals, natural resources failed to feed its people, a land where no one should have to worry about his safety, his family's safety, his wealth ended up failing to provide timely swift justice to its citizens. A state that was destined to be a modern Quranic Islamic state ended up with confusion about its founding father ....... some believe he was secular, some believe he was religious, some believe he was Shia, others believe he was Agha Khani and Qadiyanis complain that all his main supporters were Qadiyanis ......... no one even cares to study and accept that that man Muhammad Ali Jinnah may have wished to implement laws and form a state that would follow immutable guidance from Quran. All his post partition speeches are reflective of how a man who firmly believes in Quran would speak. Alas Pakistanis quarrel over whether those speeches meant to hint at a secular state or a deeply conservative theocratic state. The failure to formulate laws in accordance with immutable guidance from Quran keeps Pakistan and Pakistanis from achieving the very purpose it was destined to achieve.

Pakistan could have been anything, a leader in the Muslim world, a modern Muslim country that world would look at and admire ........... but somehow people of Pakistan chose to remain mentally slaves and beggars and preferred to live in hell like conditions. You won't see the sectarian divide anywhere else in the world like it exists in Pakistan, you won't see misinterpretation of Islamic beliefs anywhere else in the world like it is done daily in Pakistan, you won't see a corrupt worshiped like a God anywhere else but Pakistan. Give any other nation a country like Pakistan and see how it amazes the world but cursed are Pakistanis that they don't realise their potential, that they chose to remain beggars, that they chose to remain impotent. Today you would see Pakistanis writing and debating and supporting why secularism is necessary .......... but don't be mislead they are handful of few other confused Pakistanis who think a foreign alien concept would some how successfully remove all the ills of a deeply conservative (in a negative sense) society, accepting secularism would tantamount to accepting that there was no need for Pakistan from the start.

Newly formed Pakistan was / is like newly formed State of Madinah ........ compare the two, the risks, the threats the opportunities were similar in nature, but one progressed to be a just lawful state that would be beacon of hope for oppressed humanity of those times and the other descended into confusion. The only difference between the two is one strictly formulated laws in accordance with immutable guidance in Quran and the other covered Quran in fancy clothes and placed it high on shelves inside their home .......... just to be kissed and and recited in select few months and occasions, they keep hating their minority and keep dividing themselves based on their self styled religious narratives, but don't pay much attention to message of Quran, and no doubt Quran has warned that such people would live in hell like conditions, which we live in.

My message may be abhorrent and incoherent ........... but my solution at the end would do wonders.

@khafee @Jon Snow @H!thchiker and other respected members of this forum.
1) This all confusion happens again and again because we r most probably the only nation in world who underestimate itself.
2) The extreme left and right wing have to be tammed down.
 

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1) This all confusion happens again and again because we r most probably the only nation in world who underestimate itself.
I would disagree, its not the people but the State that doesn't value its people, many Pakistanis have proven their worth abroad, our state doesn't encourage and facilitate people with talent, the research and development opportunities in our country (even after 70 years) are non existent. Any Pakistani who on his own some how makes it to top in his talents, and wishes to do something better, that Pakistani has to move abroad, we don't value our people.

2) The extreme left and right wing have to be tammed down.
Counter narrative to both these people (thinking to be more apt) is missing. The centrist majority prefers to remain silent and take everything thrown at them quietly. Unless people start owning and reacting we won't be able to recognise our faults ..... the solution part comes later when we have agreed on problems.
 

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I would disagree, its not the people but the State that doesn't value its people, many Pakistanis have proven their worth abroad, our state doesn't encourage and facilitate people with talent, the research and development opportunities in our country (even after 70 years) are non existent. Any Pakistani who on his own some how makes it to top in his talents, and wishes to do something better, that Pakistani has to move abroad, we don't value our people.



Counter narrative to both these people (thinking to be more apt) is missing. The centrist majority prefers to remain silent and take everything thrown at them quietly. Unless people start owning and reacting we won't be able to recognise our faults ..... the solution part comes later when we have agreed on problems.
See state is formed by its people, our last decade was worst thing happened to us and Insaw people lossing hope but now people are very optimistic about Pakistan and I like this trend we are now understanding that we can do wonders but still its a long way.
 

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See state is formed by its people, our last decade was worst thing happened to us and Insaw people lossing hope but now people are very optimistic about Pakistan and I like this trend we are now understanding that we can do wonders but still its a long way.
When I refer to State ......... I refer to governance and state machinery. Those two are responsible to provide the people with every basic necessity and elevate them from poverty. Pakistani state has for long remained indifferent to sufferings and deteriorating conditions of its children ......... the people.

I hope this, our new hope materialises and rids us of our division and problems. But as you said before that a lot has to be done and done with seriousness.
 

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When I refer to State ......... I refer to governance and state machinery. Those two are responsible to provide the people with every basic necessity and elevate them from poverty. Pakistani state has for long remained indifferent to sufferings and deteriorating conditions of its children ......... the people.

I hope this, our new hope materialises and rids us of our division and problems. But as you said before that a lot has to be done and done with seriousness.
Got ur point. :)
 

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