How to stop homegrown terrorists?

[Gabriel]

In the UK, we have found those families given refugee from war torn countries have had members plotting terrorist acts against the very country that had saved them from homelessness and death. It's the same in the USA where it has been discovered the people behind some of the atrocities from militant groups were born or brought up on UK or USA soil.

S0 how can they stop this without infringing on peoples rights? Or do the rights of the citizens outweigh the possibility of death and destruction to the masses? It's a difficult line to cross with people declaring civil liberties, but people also have a right to be protected from this too. They attempt to infiltrate and stop any recruiting, but among the inner circles how can the government penetrate it? Do they limit asylum seekers rights or send them back or stop allowing them to settle in other countries?

 

[krazyman]

In the UK, we have found those families given refugee from war torn countries have had members plotting terrorist acts against the very country that had saved them from homelessness and death. It's the same in the USA where it has been discovered the people behind some of the atrocities from militant groups were born or brought up on UK or USA soil.

S0 how can they stop this without infringing on peoples rights? Or do the rights of the citizens outweigh the possibility of death and destruction to the masses? It's a difficult line to cross with people declaring civil liberties, but people also have a right to be protected from this too. They attempt to infiltrate and stop any recruiting, but among the inner circles how can the government penetrate it? Do they limit asylum seekers rights or send them back or stop allowing them to settle in other countries?

Great question! Fighting terrorism is like a boxer trying to fight smoke. You can keep punching and punching but you don't know how much damage you are doing because you can't gauge how much you have hurt the enemy.

 

[missbishi]

What an interesting question. When the country provides asylum to people, only to have them start plotting terrorist activities, it makes you feel like we just shouldn't bother. Why should we provide shelter and healthcare for people if they're only going to throw it back in our faces? Of course, these people are only a small minority but it tars the genuine asylum seekers with the same brush. On the other hand, it feels inhumane to withdraw our support and assistance.

 

[globulon]

This is a great question with very difficult answers, if there are any! Adding to what you all have already said, I wonder if there are any statistics regarding where homegrown terrorists come from. Are they mostly from recent immigrants and refugees? Or are there comparable numbers coming from individuals who are born and raised entirely in their adoptive country? I wonder if extremist ideas mostly originate from those recently entering the US and UK or whether they are fostered in communities already established within the nation.

 

[musicmonster]

In the UK, we have found those families given refugee from war torn countries have had members plotting terrorist acts against the very country that had saved them from homelessness and death. It's the same in the USA where it has been discovered the people behind some of the atrocities from militant groups were born or brought up on UK or USA soil.

S0 how can they stop this without infringing on peoples rights? Or do the rights of the citizens outweigh the possibility of death and destruction to the masses? It's a difficult line to cross with people declaring civil liberties, but people also have a right to be protected from this too. They attempt to infiltrate and stop any recruiting, but among the inner circles how can the government penetrate it? Do they limit asylum seekers rights or send them back or stop allowing them to settle in other countries?

Awesome topic here by the way. It is kind of a complex issue but I think the minute people are stopped being influenced by the other people when it comes to the idea of war and freedom, that could shed hope. And I am huge fan of meditation so I think that should be imposed as well.

 

[DeltaForce103]

Integration. That is, unique and diverse cultural identities have to be fully dissolved into mainstream culture and near equal economic status has to be achieved between racial groups. Otherwise, it will result in the formation of ghettos and thriving antisocial behavior.

This is easier said than done. While most liberal societies are open to the idea of immigrants and refugees, they often forget about the baggage they bring with them. In terms of economics, a sizable amount of resources have to be spent in raising these people to anywhere near the economic status and education of the rest of the population. And in most cases, very little in terms of social programs are in place to help them. So, as it turns out, they continue to live on the margins of society and most people are lead to believe that it is because they choose to do so. This is then used to rationalize the lack of public spending on their upliftment.

The social aspect is even more paradoxical. The UK, for example, is a liberal and irreligious society and cannot reconcile itself with an ultra-conservative religious interpretation of the world. Therefore, naturally there's public support for the cultural integration of these people...but few are willing to accept them as equivalent to natives. The media plays a large role here, promoting heavily stereotyped characters that further enhance the feeling of detachment from mainstream society. This forces these minority communities to draw inward and seek even more nationalist and extremist ideals.

Overall, it requires sacrifices on the part of the immigrant and native population that neither seem all that willing to make.

 

[Gabriel]

Integration. That is, unique and diverse cultural identities have to be fully dissolved into mainstream culture and near equal economic status has to be achieved between racial groups. Otherwise, it will result in the formation of ghettos and thriving antisocial behavior.

This is easier said than done. While most liberal societies are open to the idea of immigrants and refugees, they often forget about the baggage they bring with them. In terms of economics, a sizable amount of resources have to be spent in raising these people to anywhere near the economic status and education of the rest of the population. And in most cases, very little in terms of social programs are in place to help them. So, as it turns out, they continue to live on the margins of society and most people are lead to believe that it is because they choose to do so. This is then used to rationalize the lack of public spending on their upliftment.

The social aspect is even more paradoxical. The UK, for example, is a liberal and irreligious society and cannot reconcile itself with an ultra-conservative religious interpretation of the world. Therefore, naturally there's public support for the cultural integration of these people...but few are willing to accept them as equivalent to natives. The media plays a large role here, promoting heavily stereotyped characters that further enhance the feeling of detachment from mainstream society. This forces these minority communities to draw inward and seek even more nationalist and extremist ideals.

Overall, it requires sacrifices on the part of the immigrant and native population that neither seem all that willing to make.

Having seen and experienced it first hand many of these immigrants do not want to integrate, they want their own little country and build up their own community and it alienates the natives who did not ask for them to be there or agree to it.

My own parents are immigrants and have integrated and are very British, but they are in the minority and this was over 40 years ago, so the recent immigrants seem to have a different approach.

In the UK efforts are made to help them integrate, there are free English lessons but many choose not to bother or to take them. Therefore the efforts to integrate are nil even when they are being assisted.
The topic is really bringing their customs and traditions here and then taking British citizenship or US and then 'betraying' that to the ideals of the country of origin that left them refugees. One would say, why save those who may eventually attempt to destroy us? Yes, it's not fair on those who do integrate, but it appears even the parents of these 'homegrown' terrorists have no idea under their own roof so how can a government protect a nation if a parent doesn't know what is happening in the room next to them?

 

[DeltaForce103]

Having seen and experienced it first hand many of these immigrants do not want to integrate, they want their own little country and build up their own community and it alienates the natives who did not ask for them to be there or agree to it.

My own parents are immigrants and have integrated and are very British, but they are in the minority and this was over 40 years ago, so the recent immigrants seem to have a different approach.

In the UK efforts are made to help them integrate, there are free English lessons but many choose not to bother or to take them. Therefore the efforts to integrate are nil even when they are being assisted. The topic is really bringing their customs and traditions here and then taking British citizenship or US and then 'betraying' that to the ideals of the country of origin that left them refugees. One would say, why save those who may eventually attempt to destroy us? Yes, it's not fair on those who do integrate, but it appears even the parents of these 'homegrown' terrorists have no idea under their own roof so how can a government protect a nation if a parent doesn't know what is happening in the room next to them?

I would make a distinction between people who choose to live in a community that follows their customs and ideals and those who would actively wish harm on the country they live in. As the first seems to follow from a conservative worldview and possible prejudices that could break down with later generations. With the later group, radicalization through religious institutions appears to be the main reason for their irrational behavior. But it would be deceptive to not mention the islamophobia that's prevalent and growing in the UK and Europe which acts as a catalyst.

 

[missbishi]

It's almost as if the hatred is breeding more hatred. The Islamophobia that is increasing in the UK may well lead to people feeling as they are outsiders and joining certain groups in order to "belong". The media has played a massive part in this, with the Daily Mail being the worst culprit. Sadly, the UK has a rather negative attitude towards all types of "foreigners" right now and this extends to those who have the legal right to live and work here.

 

[amethyst]

It's a difficult question. There will always be rotten eggs that spoil it for everyone... and that's just mildly put. Throughout history enemies have found ways to infiltrate other countries and use their acquired privileges to their advantage.
I think the only way to prevent home grown terrorists is to educate society in general about keeping their eyes and ears open about certain suspicious activities in their environment, but within reason. Over-reacting and drawing the attention of the police to your foreign neighbors won't improve anything. It's a fine balancing act that needs constant work and new adjustments.

 

[weepforsweep]

You have to educate the young about how all the destruction terrorism inflicts on society. This type of terrorism won't end until muslims start teaching their children to not become them.

 

[cyberpinoy]

In the UK, we have found those families given refugee from war torn countries have had members plotting terrorist acts against the very country that had saved them from homelessness and death. It's the same in the USA where it has been discovered the people behind some of the atrocities from militant groups were born or brought up on UK or USA soil.

S0 how can they stop this without infringing on peoples rights? Or do the rights of the citizens outweigh the possibility of death and destruction to the masses? It's a difficult line to cross with people declaring civil liberties, but people also have a right to be protected from this too. They attempt to infiltrate and stop any recruiting, but among the inner circles how can the government penetrate it? Do they limit asylum seekers rights or send them back or stop allowing them to settle in other countries?

How do you avoid home grown terrorists, very simple solution. A homegrown terrorist is made because something or someone in his own country did something that made him/her angry. They have found something the enemy is offering that of which their own country took away or could not match. So the best way to avoid actions like this is simple. Dont anger your citizens. Places like UK and USA have a horrible reputation of keeping things form their citizens, infringing on their rights on a federal level with no repercussions to their actions. And sometimes they anger the wrong people in doing so. Just like any 3rd world countries home grown terrorists, there is something they want, something they need that their own country has taken from them or can not provide for. Stop making your citizens mad and it will stop. Just make it so your citizens love your country so much they would never be disloyal or do anyting to destroy the life they have in their home country. When life becomes more complex than it should due to Governmental actions and decisions, that when a government has to worry about who is doing what and why. If you don't make your citizens mad they have to reason to destroy the life they have there.

 

[fire421]

You have to catch them early. If someone exhibits terrorist like behavior and acts like a recluse when they are young, chances are they will grow up to be a terrorist or a criminal.

 

[Kamarsun1]

In the UK, we have found those families given refugee from war torn countries have had members plotting terrorist acts against the very country that had saved them from homelessness and death. It's the same in the USA where it has been discovered the people behind some of the atrocities from militant groups were born or brought up on UK or USA soil.

S0 how can they stop this without infringing on peoples rights? Or do the rights of the citizens outweigh the possibility of death and destruction to the masses? It's a difficult line to cross with people declaring civil liberties, but people also have a right to be protected from this too. They attempt to infiltrate and stop any recruiting, but among the inner circles how can the government penetrate it? Do they limit asylum seekers rights or send them back or stop allowing them to settle in other countries?

Many time people just want a fair chance at life and are upset at the powers that be for not allowing a equal playing field. You want terrorist to stop, well as long as the greedy few are controlling the worlds wealth people are going to rebel, plain and simple.

 

[Nur]

I haven't read much on the topic so I'm only theorizing but I guess one way to stop homegrown terrorists is to foster an environment that wouldn't feed the "US vs THEM" mentality that is probably used in justifying their extremism. If a child is conditioned to think, "They don't like people like you there; they want to kill you so you need to destroy them first," but sees a community that treats that child completely different from what was taught, a crack might appear on the conditioning because the reality isn't the same as the perceived persecution. But if the environment itself is reinforcing the conditioning, well. Then that'll just continue to build up won't it? Until the tipping point when someone blows up.

This type of terrorism won't end until muslims start teaching their children to not become them.

Even if their parents tell them every day not to become them -- and what a generalization that is, assuming every single Muslim is a terrorist -- it won't really matter much because there are increasingly vocal people in the US, Europe and other Islamaphobic country that tell them everyday to their faces that it doesn't matter what they do, they're still terrorists simply because of their faith and their race and because they look similar to a few extremist groups in a faraway country.

I mean, you don't even need to be Muslim to be labelled a terrorist these days. I can't remember how many facebook posts or news comments I've seen condemning South Asian people who obviously practice Hinduism as Muslim terrorists simply because they look vaguely similar.