Mastankhan
THINK TANK
- Joined
- Nov 29, 2017
- Messages
- 511
- Reactions
- Country
-
- Location
-
Hi,
IK has made a wonderful speech at the UN---heart warming---confidence building---courageous and full of action---.
What IK did not describe properly in the speech was the following---.
During the afghan war---all the radical criminals in their respective muslim nations were released and sent to fight the "Jihad" in afg---. The school books glorifying afghan jihad were printed in Nebraska USA by the funding of the US govt---.
We all agree that the afghan jihad was legitimate---the americans leaving right after that and putting sanctions on pakistan was deceitful on their part---. There are many a groups that the pak military trained and then there were quite a few others that the US intel agy's trained---.
The jihadis ended somewhere in the early 90's and the Taliban cropped up---for which Benazir Bhutto claimed motherhood---fine and good.
9/11 happened---the US wanted to retaliate---pakistan agreed---we won't get into the circumstances and then a lots of good and bad things transpired during that time period to pakistan---. Pakistan's economy boomed and good times were seen coming in the coming months---.
But what almost all the pakistanis don't know is that the direction of the wot was changed mid-stride on the 3rd or the 5th day of the war by the US govt---. And from all the reactions that I see from the pakistani side---I believe that pakistanis did not know what happened---.
The US went into afg with put an army---NO GROUND TROOPS---. It started the war by aerial bombing---starting from north of afg---coralled the taliban and pushed them towards the south---ie---into pakistan---.
The only militants the US had was their agency operators and some US rangers---other than that the US govt hired the services of the cut-throats and criminal afghan element to support them in taking on the al qaeda and the taliban.
The US tracked OBL at Kandhar thru a drone---had him on the camera for 2 hours and then let him escape---. They further tracked him to tora bora---agreed to cease fire and then let him escape---.
While the last part had not occured, it was learnt that the americans had changed the designation on the wot to liberation and rebuilding of afghanistan---because a reporter asked a question to a high ranking republican about the lack of american troops on the ground and letting all the al qaeda operatives escape from afg---and that was the answer he got---al qaeda is no more---we are here to liberate afg and re-build it---.
Incidently---the 'clever' pakistanis were not clever enough to catch onto that---. Their first clear hint to them about something being wrong was when the US forces let OBL escape Kandhar---and then second one came when the US forces made 48 hour cease fire with oBL and then let him escape thru tora bora---. That was a big red flag---.
And when the pak military requested the US army for helicopter to track OBL coming into pakistan from tora bora---the US military refused to assist---. Pakistan and the pakistani public should have clearly understood at that time that the things were not what they appeared to be.
Now if the pak military knew about it or not---it is debatable---but pakistan suffered a lot because of the change of face by the americans---.
Due to the bombings---the US air force had pushed all the taliban and the al qaeda terrorists and into pakistan and provided no immediate support to pakistan---. Pak military also started playing along not realizing that they will pay a very heavy price for that in the coming years---.
What was the most surprising part was the action or the lack of action by the Paf---on 9/11---Paf was a worthless spent out force with barely two sqdrn's of f16 hardly in a flyable condition---but yet when pakistan signed with the US on wot---there was no urgency shown on the part of the Paf to get the much needed aircraft from either the US or from france in a hurry to fill in the deficit---that smelled bad things to come---. It was like treason against the state---. Why were more F16's not demanded from the US right away--->
As the 'wot' continues during Musharraf's regime---india saw the tilt of the US military towards pakistan---they could not accept it and thus staged an attack on their parliament and blamed pakistan for that---as Paf was very weak---pak military stuck its tail between its legs and claimed that there will be nuc war if india pushed forward---.
So---even after that 1 year of an almost war like situation---the Paf did not bother to get the much needed aircraft right away---but a time came in 2005 that the Paf chief donated the 5 billion US dollars set aside for aircraft purchase to the kashmir earthquake relief fund---it was based on the belief that there was not going to be any war between india and pakistan as they both were headed for a peace deal---.
The moment Paf released the 5 billion for the earthquake fund---and had no more money---india changed its mind and walked out of the peace deal---.
Economy was good in pakistan---industry was booming---every thing looked on the up and up but the problem with the pakistani public remained true---. The terrorists started attacking pakistani military and public but the pakistani public could not admit that it was the muslim jihadi terrorists who were attacking them---. They could not face the fact that it was their own muslim brothers who were attacking them---. It got that bad that the pakistani public started blaiming its own---ie the pakistani military---.
I have wondered at the limit of stupidity of the pakistani public---which I later found that there was no limit---. Since the start of wot---it took the pakistanis about 14 years to realize and admit that the terrorists were muslims---their own brethren---. The indians took advantage of that as well and paid muslim terrorists to attack in pakistan---.
Since the wot started---the pakistani public played its advantage wrong---. Rather than taking out OBL in afg---and stopping a christian military to invade a muslim nation afg---the pakistanis started blaming the US and stated that the US had done the 9/11 attacks by themselves---. At that time---the pakistanis proved that they were not worth being a nation---they had no intellect to be a nation---they had no concept---that when a monster like the US military landed next to pakistan---what the consequences would be---.
Pakistanis were bragging that a vietnam be made of the US military in afg---not knowing that 4.5 million vietnamese died in that war---. Most of what happened to pakistan and in pakistan is pakistan's own fault---pakistanis have made own goal and blaming everyone else for their screw ups---.
Paskistan informs the US intel agy about a certain suspicious phone number---US tracks down OBL---Gen Kiyan / Pasha / ACM Qamar arrange with the americans about the strike of OBL's hideout but insist that the US would not name their assistance---even though they accepted large sums of money from them---.
OBL supposedly got found and executed by the US military---an american heli crashed at OBL residence---all the american could not go back at one time---they asked for another helicopter to come in---a chinook arrived after 45 minutes of the action---so it is about one hour on the ground for the US mil at OBL's house and the arrival of the chinook---the chinnok takes the remaining troops and flies away---. It takes it roughly around 1 hour to fly out of pakistan's air space---.
The pak military commander Kiyani / Pasha act surpised---the Paf air chief acts stupid and claims that the radars were conveniently shut down---. So---in a supposed military training academy town---about a mile and a half from OBL's house---there is a massive gunfight---a massive explosion of a large helicopter crashing---then explosions of destroying that helicopter---large fire in the area---and yet no pak military force comes to that area to investigate the fire fight---.
President Obama states in his address that pak military assisted in the US strike---. But the pak generals denied it---. Pakistans hater---india went on the offencive and the media hype started that pakistan had given protection to OBL for years---pakistans integrity was being smashed and pummeled and the Coward General Kiyani kept his mouth shut---THE QUIET MAN---opted to stay quiet when pakistan's integrity was going thru its worst tines---.
Zardari was in power---. Benazir and Nawaz planned a flight back into pakistan---Musharraf signed an NRO---. Benazir had pushed the americans hard to get her back into pakistan to be elected---the PPP had seen the pprosperity in pakistan and they were salivating hard---. She promised the US pakistan's nuc program and AQ Khan---. Nawaz did not want to be left behind---he got together with india and promised them pakistan on a platter---. Nawaz and the indians agreed that once he comes into paower---he would take loans on useless project and bury pakistan deep in debt---.
Benazir got executed when she stuck her head out of her SUV on the instruction of possibly her daughter or her husband to wave at the crowd at a certain location where her SUV got surrounded by the crowd---she stuck her head out of a secure location and someone drilled a bullet thru her head---.
Zardari became the president---and pakistan got looted with both hands---after 5 years---Nawaz became prime minster---and the loot went to levels not known before---.
Mumbai attack had happened and within minutes and hours Nawaz Sharif knew who it was--and his hound dog tv anchor Hamid Mir was at a location verifying the info of the attacker---. Pakistan got lambasted for that attack even though it was staged by india---.
Pakistani public needs to look inwards rather than pointing fingers at others---.
They had the opportunity to redeem themselves and to get militarily stronger by getting into an alliance with the GCC at the start of the gulf war---. But the COWARDICE of the pakistanis got the better of them one more time---.
They did not realize that the yemen war was a pre planned game started by the iranians and the indians---. Indians were carrying out activities of terror thru afg and iran---and to do something from iran---you have to have their govt in the plan---.
If pak military had built up a separate military force of around a 150 K troops with all training and equipment paid by the GCC and posted in GCC---pakistan would have built up a massive force on the indian flank---. It was an east india compnay moment for pakistan---and yet the pak military squandered on the opportunity---.
The Kashmir 370 just did not happen like that---the planning was done years in advance---situations were created and opportunites availed by the opponents---pakistan was separated from the rest of its allies---the GCC---and maligned very well---.
So---with a weak air force---a weak economy---and no friends---the indians with the iranians made the move on kashmir---.
The Pulwama attack had happened---india had openly warned of strikes on pakistan---and yet the Paf had no plan to intercept the incoming indian aircraft---.
The current Paf air chief proved to be a worthless leader and a coward as well. Indians came at 4 places on the night of the 26th feb---Paf had no assets in the air totake them out---but a couple of aircraft took off to shoo the indian aircraft---that was the mentality of the Paf---.
Indian aircraft came into pakistani territory that night and dropped two bombs---and yet the Paf did not claim that to be an act of war---.
Pakistani public was mad as hell and was screaming---when the Paf saw that reaction---they planned to strike back---. They moved in---two enemy aircraft were shot down---there were six more enemy aircraft locked by Paf aircraft---the Air Vice Marshall Hasseb Paracha did not have the courage / ballz to give the orders to its pilots to shoot down---even though he was flying back seat in one of the aircraft---.
That coward---Haseeb Paracha called his boss to get clearance---it took 16 seconds to get the approval---the enemy had escaped---.
An indian sub marine---french built scorpene had entered pakistani waters---pak military had it on target---yet the pak military acted as a coward and let it go---even though there was a politicia who wanted it taken out---.
the Paf is bragging about taking out two enemy aircraft---but the truth is that---that incursion was a test reun---a pre cursor to the Kashmir 370---the indians wanted to know how capable and strong pak military was---. It got the answer---cowards are still in leadership position---.
Just like when informed of their concern to Indira Gandhi ---the indian generals stated that they were worried about the pakistani generals and army from west pakistan if india moved all its assets to east pakistan---.
To that Indira Gandhi replied---" don't worry about the pakistani generals---they will do nothing--"---. Which proved to be very true---. In the west pakistan arena---the pak generals acted like cowards---at that time and did not attack india full fledged---.
@Khafee---now I realize that there was someone in position of power and decision making on the pakistani side in west pakistan who had guaranteed Indira Gandhi that pak military would not strike full fledged from west pakistan---.
IK has made a wonderful speech at the UN---heart warming---confidence building---courageous and full of action---.
What IK did not describe properly in the speech was the following---.
During the afghan war---all the radical criminals in their respective muslim nations were released and sent to fight the "Jihad" in afg---. The school books glorifying afghan jihad were printed in Nebraska USA by the funding of the US govt---.
We all agree that the afghan jihad was legitimate---the americans leaving right after that and putting sanctions on pakistan was deceitful on their part---. There are many a groups that the pak military trained and then there were quite a few others that the US intel agy's trained---.
The jihadis ended somewhere in the early 90's and the Taliban cropped up---for which Benazir Bhutto claimed motherhood---fine and good.
9/11 happened---the US wanted to retaliate---pakistan agreed---we won't get into the circumstances and then a lots of good and bad things transpired during that time period to pakistan---. Pakistan's economy boomed and good times were seen coming in the coming months---.
But what almost all the pakistanis don't know is that the direction of the wot was changed mid-stride on the 3rd or the 5th day of the war by the US govt---. And from all the reactions that I see from the pakistani side---I believe that pakistanis did not know what happened---.
The US went into afg with put an army---NO GROUND TROOPS---. It started the war by aerial bombing---starting from north of afg---coralled the taliban and pushed them towards the south---ie---into pakistan---.
The only militants the US had was their agency operators and some US rangers---other than that the US govt hired the services of the cut-throats and criminal afghan element to support them in taking on the al qaeda and the taliban.
The US tracked OBL at Kandhar thru a drone---had him on the camera for 2 hours and then let him escape---. They further tracked him to tora bora---agreed to cease fire and then let him escape---.
While the last part had not occured, it was learnt that the americans had changed the designation on the wot to liberation and rebuilding of afghanistan---because a reporter asked a question to a high ranking republican about the lack of american troops on the ground and letting all the al qaeda operatives escape from afg---and that was the answer he got---al qaeda is no more---we are here to liberate afg and re-build it---.
Incidently---the 'clever' pakistanis were not clever enough to catch onto that---. Their first clear hint to them about something being wrong was when the US forces let OBL escape Kandhar---and then second one came when the US forces made 48 hour cease fire with oBL and then let him escape thru tora bora---. That was a big red flag---.
And when the pak military requested the US army for helicopter to track OBL coming into pakistan from tora bora---the US military refused to assist---. Pakistan and the pakistani public should have clearly understood at that time that the things were not what they appeared to be.
Now if the pak military knew about it or not---it is debatable---but pakistan suffered a lot because of the change of face by the americans---.
Due to the bombings---the US air force had pushed all the taliban and the al qaeda terrorists and into pakistan and provided no immediate support to pakistan---. Pak military also started playing along not realizing that they will pay a very heavy price for that in the coming years---.
What was the most surprising part was the action or the lack of action by the Paf---on 9/11---Paf was a worthless spent out force with barely two sqdrn's of f16 hardly in a flyable condition---but yet when pakistan signed with the US on wot---there was no urgency shown on the part of the Paf to get the much needed aircraft from either the US or from france in a hurry to fill in the deficit---that smelled bad things to come---. It was like treason against the state---. Why were more F16's not demanded from the US right away--->
As the 'wot' continues during Musharraf's regime---india saw the tilt of the US military towards pakistan---they could not accept it and thus staged an attack on their parliament and blamed pakistan for that---as Paf was very weak---pak military stuck its tail between its legs and claimed that there will be nuc war if india pushed forward---.
So---even after that 1 year of an almost war like situation---the Paf did not bother to get the much needed aircraft right away---but a time came in 2005 that the Paf chief donated the 5 billion US dollars set aside for aircraft purchase to the kashmir earthquake relief fund---it was based on the belief that there was not going to be any war between india and pakistan as they both were headed for a peace deal---.
The moment Paf released the 5 billion for the earthquake fund---and had no more money---india changed its mind and walked out of the peace deal---.
Economy was good in pakistan---industry was booming---every thing looked on the up and up but the problem with the pakistani public remained true---. The terrorists started attacking pakistani military and public but the pakistani public could not admit that it was the muslim jihadi terrorists who were attacking them---. They could not face the fact that it was their own muslim brothers who were attacking them---. It got that bad that the pakistani public started blaiming its own---ie the pakistani military---.
I have wondered at the limit of stupidity of the pakistani public---which I later found that there was no limit---. Since the start of wot---it took the pakistanis about 14 years to realize and admit that the terrorists were muslims---their own brethren---. The indians took advantage of that as well and paid muslim terrorists to attack in pakistan---.
Since the wot started---the pakistani public played its advantage wrong---. Rather than taking out OBL in afg---and stopping a christian military to invade a muslim nation afg---the pakistanis started blaming the US and stated that the US had done the 9/11 attacks by themselves---. At that time---the pakistanis proved that they were not worth being a nation---they had no intellect to be a nation---they had no concept---that when a monster like the US military landed next to pakistan---what the consequences would be---.
Pakistanis were bragging that a vietnam be made of the US military in afg---not knowing that 4.5 million vietnamese died in that war---. Most of what happened to pakistan and in pakistan is pakistan's own fault---pakistanis have made own goal and blaming everyone else for their screw ups---.
Paskistan informs the US intel agy about a certain suspicious phone number---US tracks down OBL---Gen Kiyan / Pasha / ACM Qamar arrange with the americans about the strike of OBL's hideout but insist that the US would not name their assistance---even though they accepted large sums of money from them---.
OBL supposedly got found and executed by the US military---an american heli crashed at OBL residence---all the american could not go back at one time---they asked for another helicopter to come in---a chinook arrived after 45 minutes of the action---so it is about one hour on the ground for the US mil at OBL's house and the arrival of the chinook---the chinnok takes the remaining troops and flies away---. It takes it roughly around 1 hour to fly out of pakistan's air space---.
The pak military commander Kiyani / Pasha act surpised---the Paf air chief acts stupid and claims that the radars were conveniently shut down---. So---in a supposed military training academy town---about a mile and a half from OBL's house---there is a massive gunfight---a massive explosion of a large helicopter crashing---then explosions of destroying that helicopter---large fire in the area---and yet no pak military force comes to that area to investigate the fire fight---.
President Obama states in his address that pak military assisted in the US strike---. But the pak generals denied it---. Pakistans hater---india went on the offencive and the media hype started that pakistan had given protection to OBL for years---pakistans integrity was being smashed and pummeled and the Coward General Kiyani kept his mouth shut---THE QUIET MAN---opted to stay quiet when pakistan's integrity was going thru its worst tines---.
Zardari was in power---. Benazir and Nawaz planned a flight back into pakistan---Musharraf signed an NRO---. Benazir had pushed the americans hard to get her back into pakistan to be elected---the PPP had seen the pprosperity in pakistan and they were salivating hard---. She promised the US pakistan's nuc program and AQ Khan---. Nawaz did not want to be left behind---he got together with india and promised them pakistan on a platter---. Nawaz and the indians agreed that once he comes into paower---he would take loans on useless project and bury pakistan deep in debt---.
Benazir got executed when she stuck her head out of her SUV on the instruction of possibly her daughter or her husband to wave at the crowd at a certain location where her SUV got surrounded by the crowd---she stuck her head out of a secure location and someone drilled a bullet thru her head---.
Zardari became the president---and pakistan got looted with both hands---after 5 years---Nawaz became prime minster---and the loot went to levels not known before---.
Mumbai attack had happened and within minutes and hours Nawaz Sharif knew who it was--and his hound dog tv anchor Hamid Mir was at a location verifying the info of the attacker---. Pakistan got lambasted for that attack even though it was staged by india---.
Pakistani public needs to look inwards rather than pointing fingers at others---.
They had the opportunity to redeem themselves and to get militarily stronger by getting into an alliance with the GCC at the start of the gulf war---. But the COWARDICE of the pakistanis got the better of them one more time---.
They did not realize that the yemen war was a pre planned game started by the iranians and the indians---. Indians were carrying out activities of terror thru afg and iran---and to do something from iran---you have to have their govt in the plan---.
If pak military had built up a separate military force of around a 150 K troops with all training and equipment paid by the GCC and posted in GCC---pakistan would have built up a massive force on the indian flank---. It was an east india compnay moment for pakistan---and yet the pak military squandered on the opportunity---.
The Kashmir 370 just did not happen like that---the planning was done years in advance---situations were created and opportunites availed by the opponents---pakistan was separated from the rest of its allies---the GCC---and maligned very well---.
So---with a weak air force---a weak economy---and no friends---the indians with the iranians made the move on kashmir---.
The Pulwama attack had happened---india had openly warned of strikes on pakistan---and yet the Paf had no plan to intercept the incoming indian aircraft---.
The current Paf air chief proved to be a worthless leader and a coward as well. Indians came at 4 places on the night of the 26th feb---Paf had no assets in the air totake them out---but a couple of aircraft took off to shoo the indian aircraft---that was the mentality of the Paf---.
Indian aircraft came into pakistani territory that night and dropped two bombs---and yet the Paf did not claim that to be an act of war---.
Pakistani public was mad as hell and was screaming---when the Paf saw that reaction---they planned to strike back---. They moved in---two enemy aircraft were shot down---there were six more enemy aircraft locked by Paf aircraft---the Air Vice Marshall Hasseb Paracha did not have the courage / ballz to give the orders to its pilots to shoot down---even though he was flying back seat in one of the aircraft---.
That coward---Haseeb Paracha called his boss to get clearance---it took 16 seconds to get the approval---the enemy had escaped---.
An indian sub marine---french built scorpene had entered pakistani waters---pak military had it on target---yet the pak military acted as a coward and let it go---even though there was a politicia who wanted it taken out---.
the Paf is bragging about taking out two enemy aircraft---but the truth is that---that incursion was a test reun---a pre cursor to the Kashmir 370---the indians wanted to know how capable and strong pak military was---. It got the answer---cowards are still in leadership position---.
Just like when informed of their concern to Indira Gandhi ---the indian generals stated that they were worried about the pakistani generals and army from west pakistan if india moved all its assets to east pakistan---.
To that Indira Gandhi replied---" don't worry about the pakistani generals---they will do nothing--"---. Which proved to be very true---. In the west pakistan arena---the pak generals acted like cowards---at that time and did not attack india full fledged---.
@Khafee---now I realize that there was someone in position of power and decision making on the pakistani side in west pakistan who had guaranteed Indira Gandhi that pak military would not strike full fledged from west pakistan---.
