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You are being an apologist for terrorist acts by saying they do not represent Islam. They might not represent Muslims as whole, but they are represent actual passages that are in the Koran. Look it up, they are reading the Koran and doing what it says to do in the words written.

I personally am not a Christian, but to say the WBC is the Christian equivalent makes Christianity look great. On the Muslim side you have beheadings, slavery, rape. And with the Christians you have offensive language and protest. I live in Kansas and they have not affected my daily life, Islamic extremist have.
Present your case before the judge. Where is your evidence that Quran advocate killing of any kind. The Quran clearly stated that killing of innocent is prohibited and its as you have killed whole humanity. And saving one live is as of saving whole mankind.

You on the other hand have killed half million Iraqi innocents and another half Afghani. You are the real apologist and the real terrorist. You fucked up Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and many other places yet you are trying to act innocence here. It seems like my previous post hurt you much.
 

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Yes I mean Luck 19:27 when Jesus peace be upon him was talking about his earthly kingdom.

Many other like it:

Deuteronomy 17:12
Exodus 22:17
Exodus 22:19
Leviticus 20:10
Leviticus 20:13
Leviticus 20:27
Chronicles 15:12-13

Now that was a response to @User911 and @thegrey because the were talking about killing and peace loving.

I read Matthew talking about the judgment day.



Muslims believe in the revelation given to Jesus not the bible. The bible contains the words of Mark, Luck, Matthew, John, historians, Jesus and God.



That is not true. Please quote what Saladin and Mohammad said and that God didn't have the faith to his promise to Abraham. Bring me what Mohammed peace be upon him says. I don't want others words but Mohammed peace be upon him words.



Yes Jesus peace be upon him wasn't crucified and I can prove that using your own bible. Jesus disciples didn't witness to the alleged crucifixion but heard from people hearsay that Jesus peace be upon him was crucified. Matthew 26:65 ( then all the disciples deserted him and fled). After the alleged crucifixion in the third day Jesus peace be upon him returned to the upper room where his decibels were. Luck 24:36 ( While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you). And it continues ( They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost). Jesus said "Why are you frightened? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

So why he tells them behold my hands and feet? to prove what? that he is a spirit?

Luck 24:24 (And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat? They gave him a piece of broiled fish and of an honeycomb and he took it and ate before them.

Again do spirit eat? He was trying to prove to them that its he himself.

Mohammed said Jesus was born of a virgin, conceived of the Holy Ghost, but then didn't like the fact that God's word said "begotten Son" (as opposed to adopted).

The word ''begotten Son'' has been thrown out of the bible as a fabrication. Jesus isn't the begotten son of God nor he was God. There is no unequivocal statement in the bible where jesus peace be upon him said Im God or worship me. He said I can of self do nothing. Luck 5:30 (By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me).



That doesn't prove he was obsessed with sex. All of his wives were widows except Aisha. Solomon had 700 wives does that means he was obsessed with sex? No. Abraham had three wives. Moses had two wives.



Let me refer you to this link so that you learn about women in Islam.
Islams Women - Women's Rights in Islam



On a side note: Islam is the only religion on earth which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus peace be upon him. No Muslim is a Muslim if he/she doesn't believe in Jesus as a messenger of God. We believe in his miraculous birth. We believe his he was born without male in intervention and we believe that he gave life to the dead by God's permission and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by god's permission
Amazingly put. Carry on mate. ^-^
 

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When the qur'an says not to kill "innocents", it is referring to muslims only. Non-muslims are never considered to be "innocents". Practicing some deception and some taqiyya, eh? The bottom line, hands down, the middle east is in almost complete chaos with plenty of muslims killing others muslims and everybody else that they feel like. Mohammed is supposed to be the "most perfect example of a man" and he sat down and spent an afternoon with his wife and watched over 800 Jews beheaded. Jesus never killed anybody, nor did he advocate killing anyone. Luke 19:27 is not a teaching of Jesus, He is relaying a parable and that verse is part of the parable. Read Luke 19:1-26 to get the complete *parable* not teaching of Christ.

I will definitely admit that American "leadership" has royally screwed up over in the ME., especially in the last 6 years and will continue to do so for at least the next 2 years, regardless of what the American people want. Having said this, they are not doing what they do "in the name of Jesus Christ" but all the killing going on by muslims is going on "in the name of allah".
Blah blah blah. Load of accusations without any proofs. An innocent means an innocence regardless of race, ethnicity or religious background. The bottom line is you are insulting your own intelligence if you have one.

Second you admit that the bible isn't the words of Gods since it contains the words of Mark, Luck, Matthew and John. I gave an example of killing in the bible:
Death for Adultery
Death for Fornication
Kill Nonbelievers
Stoning of women who are not virgin
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
Death for Blasphemy
Death for Infidels and Homosexuals.

Death death and death. If that isn't the words of Jesus then who wrote this? Even pornography is there in the bible.

The killing of Muslims in Africa by Christians in the name of Christ. The killing of Muslim on Myanmar in the name of Buddha.

Killing based on identity. If Muslims are killing non Muslims then there will be no Christians living in Cairo, Jordan, Lebanon, jews in Morocco...etc. Stop this non sense. Im not letting you to insult my intelligence. Im well informed well aware of what is happening.

Before shouting and screaming try to support your allegations with evidence.
 

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The main problem I have with ISIS and Islam is that the fact that ISIS still exists. The general silence of the people in the areas affected by ISIS doesn't say to me that Islam isn't involved - it's a clear flag to me that Islam is accepting of this behavior but not directly condoning it. After all the Middle East has been warring since before the 13th century. If the people really wanted peace, and really wanted to be like the rest of the world, they would have done something a very long time ago. Until Islam stands up and takes out their trash - you'll find many won't be able to separate Islam from Isis. Unfortuantely the two are walking hand in hand right now. Silence is not opposition and never has been. Silence is acceptance. Silence is encouragement. It's not the job of the world to separate Isis and Islam - it's the people of that region. When might they stand up for themselves? Probably never.
 
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Notice that much of the Muslim world has begun to war against ISIL, eve seeing Shiites and Sunnis fighting together, instead of against each other. And which Bible has the term "begotten Son" thrown out? The term means "not adopted". since Mohammed says that Jesus was born of a virgin, conceived of the Holy Ghost (the spiritual manifestation of God), that rules out being an adopted son of God, as I am. Yes, I have been born again.
And I still want to know who in the Bible is named Luck? I assume , as I said, that you mean Luke.
At one place you say that the Bible is the words of the various Apostles, and I guess you would also include the various prophets in the Old Testament (all of whom Mohammed says we must follow) and then you say it is the words of Jesus. Mohammed told you that you must follow the teachings of the "old prophets and the Apostles". By his own teachings, that is found in the Bible.
The one document that absolutely represents the words of Mohammed and is signed with his hand print in his blood is the Ashtiname of Mohammed, a letter of protection to Saint Catherine's Monastery, and they have copies of the bible dating to the time of Mohammed, when he would have studied it there. Saladin claimed that copies of the Bible worldwide had all been changed since Mohammed's time. I suspect that some of the texsts in St Caterine's were the same ones read to Mohammed when he was there.
 

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What's going on ?!

Thread is full of accusations and nonsense posts .

When you have the ability to discuss in a respectful way with facts and sources then come and tell me !



SORRY

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