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Kellyanne Conway says Trump to make ‘big announcement’ on West Bank annexation

Kellyanne Conway, a top adviser to Donald Trump, said on Wednesday the US president would soon have a “big announcement” about Israel’s planned annexation of parts of the West Bank.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to begin the process as early as July 1. Officials in the Trump administration are set to decide this week on whether to approve Netanyahu’s declared plan.

“There are conversations being had. Obviously the president will have an announcement. He’s talked about this in the past and I’ll leave it to him to give you a big announcement. Very happy those talks continue,” Conway told reporters at the White House.

“Let’s just see, because he wants to be an agent for peace in the Middle East and he’s trying to do that,” Conway said. “He has tried to bring peace to the Middle East in many different ways”

When asked if Trump was concerned about a backlash from Arab states and the Palestinians over Israel’s annexation plans, Conway downplayed the fears, citing the muted response to Trump’s decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem, which he announced in December 2017.

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Israel's planned West Bank annexation is a 'declaration of war,' says Hamas

Hamas military spokesperson Abu Obeida made the statements Thursday over a video feed saying Israel would bitterly regret the decision to apply their laws over the disputed territory.

The anticipated Palestinian resistance was reiterated by Senior Hamas Official Dr. Basem Naim, who told Fox News that annexation would destroy any possibility of finding a political solution to the ongoing conflict.

“Palestinians would not accept these plans at all. They are going to resist these plans by all means available. Gaza is not excluded from this,” he said.

Naim added that Palestinian leadership is calling on the European Union to support their position and pressure Israel to reverse course before the July 1st date, put forth by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The prime minister is hoping to push forward Israeli annexation with the support of the Trump administration. President Trump already moved the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
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Rocket fired earlier from Gaza into Sderot, Israeli jets enter Gaza airspace.

Israeli drone strike hits border outpost in central Gaza.
 
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There are disputes between Israeli officials on time table for annexation. One side want to start with annexing 10% of West Bank while other wants to annex 30% from get go. So it's difference in time table in order to garner less controversy or public backlash in region. Most likely they will implement in steps over the year so there isn't one large backlash by Arab states/EU/general regional public.

Palestinians need to implement reactionary policies regardless if only 1% annexed for now or 30%.
 

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There are disputes between Israeli officials on time table for annexation. One side want to start with annexing 10% of West Bank while other wants to annex 30% from get go. So it's difference in time table in order to garner less controversy or public backlash in region. Most likely they will implement in steps over the year so there isn't one large backlash by Arab states/EU/general regional public.

Palestinians need to implement reactionary policies regardless if only 1% annexed for now or 30%.
Brother, you cant imagine the pain I feel for them.
 

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Ocasio-Cortez raises AIPAC ire over effort to tie Israel aid to annexation

A dozen Democratic lawmakers have signed on to a hotly debated letter spearheaded by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that calls for placing conditions on aid to Israel if it moves forward with plans to unilaterally annex parts of the West Bank or continues related actions, according to a copy obtained by POLITICO.

The letter, parts of which were previously leaked to the media, was condemned Monday by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee as harmful to America’s interests before the statement or its signers were finalized.

“Should the Israeli government continue down this path, we will work to ensure non-recognition of annexed territories as well as pursue legislation that conditions the $3.8 billion in U.S. military funding to Israel to ensure that U.S. taxpayers are not supporting annexation in any way,” Ocasio-Cortez’s letter reads. “We will include human rights conditions and the withholding of funds for the offshore procurement of Israeli weapons equal to or exceeding the amount the Israeli government spends annually to fund settlements, as well as the policies and practices that sustain and enable them.”

The letter, addressed to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, also said that annexation “would actively harm prospects for a future in which all Israelis and Palestinians can live with full equality, human rights and dignity, and would lay the groundwork for Israel becoming an apartheid state, as your predecessor John Kerry warned in 2014.”

Ocasio-Cortez’s office said the trigger for conditioning aid includes settlements and other policies that are “laying the groundwork” for annexation.

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Israel’s Netanyahu still working out West Bank annexation plans

JERUSALEM — On the last day of June, Hagit Ofran was where she has often been in her 25 years as an Israeli peace activist, protesting on a Jerusalem street. There were only hours to go before the Israeli government might — or might not — announce a plan to formally annex nearly a third of the occupied West Bank, a potentially momentous inflection point in the conflict that Ofran has devoted more than half of her life to resolving.

It was nearly July 1, and she had no idea what to expect.

“We don’t even know how they would do it — by cabinet resolution, by Knesset legislation — nothing is clear,” said Ofran, a longtime staffer of the venerable activist group Peace Now, as she stood outside a Jerusalem courthouse protesting a case of land confiscation against a Palestinian family, the kind of case she predicts would become more common if Israel extended its sovereignty in the West Bank. “There is no plan, so there is nothing to fight.”

Late in the day, after meeting with U.S. officials, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement that they had discussed “the question of sovereignty, which we are currently working on and will continue to work on in the coming days.” He did not elaborate.

As the annexation battle has built to a fever pitch in Israel — among activists and politicians, if not the general public — July 1 loomed as a possible decision day. Opposing camps squared off for weeks, trying to either force or stay Netanyahu’s hand. But on the eve of the big day, with the prime minister’s decision unknown (or unmade), activists on both sides remained baffled as to whether the next few days would mark a deadline or a starting line; a history-bending declaration or a silent moment of indecision..

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Unclassified Docs Show Israel’s Secret Plan to Ship 60K Palestinians to Latin America

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Unclassified documents of a secret Israeli meeting held 51 years ago reveal plans of a massive transfer of Palestinians to Paraguay—a program that prompted a PLO terror attack.

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Updated Aug. 13, 2020 11:20AM ET / Published Aug. 13, 2020 10:46AM ET

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Unclassified minutes of a secret Israeli cabinet meeting held 51 years ago reveal that Israel planned a massive transfer of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to the tiny Latin American country of Paraguay.
The protocols of the May 1969 government vote exposed an Israeli-Paraguayan agreement to “encourage the emigration” of 60,000 Palestinians from territories Israel captured during the 1967 Six-Day War.

The transcript, revealed on Tuesday, detailed each nation’s commitments, including Israeli funding for flights transferring Palestinians who agreed to leave the Gaza Strip, a $100 grant per deportee, and a payment of $33 per person to the Paraguayan government, which in turn promised the refugees permanent residence and a four-year path to citizenship.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-radical-women-at-the-heart-of-palestines-first-intifada

At the time the accord was ratified, Paraguayan tyrant Alfredo Stroessner was 15 years into what would become the longest dictatorship in Latin American history, and was better known for sheltering top Nazi officers than for welcoming refugees. Notorious SS doctor Josef Mengele was among the Third Reich élite that fled to Paraguay after World War II. Stroessner’s interest in the Palestinian immigrants was likely connected to his nation’s urgent need for agricultural workers who could help pull his cash-strapped and resource-poor nation into subsistence.
Details of the scheme confirm long-held Palestinian claims that Israel, from its inception, wanted only to rid itself of the native Arabs living on land under its rule.
Kamal Cumsille, a University of Chile professor of Arab studies and an expert on Arab migration to Latin America, told The Daily Beast, “there is no doubt Israel maintained a hostile policy aimed at Palestinians leaving,” but said he “never heard of an actual agreement” for the transfer of Palestinians until the exposé, which was first revealed in a broadcast by Eran Cicurel, foreign editor for the Israeli Kan News.
The shock does not stop there. Despite its importance, the Israeli-Paraguayan scheme appears to have been stymied by poor planning, blundering Mossad agents, and a quickly overlooked terrorist attack that left one Israeli dead and helped launch the wave of Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) terror against Israeli targets that characterized much of the 1970s and 1980s.


“It appeared to be a massive conspiracy that not coincidentally was concealed from public view.”
It is unclear how many Palestinians emigrated to Paraguay within the short-lived plan’s framework. In a 2004 interview, Meir Novik, a police commander involved in the operation, said “a few dozen Palestinians” had moved. Speaking with Cicurel, Paraguayan authorities concurred.


But Moshe Peer, an Israeli diplomat who in 1970 served as Israel's consul to Paraguay and the embassy’s first secretary, said in a 2004 interview that thousands had been transferred.
On May 4, 1970, a year after the Israeli government formally approved of the plan, two Palestinian transferees armed with rifles forced their way into the Israeli embassy in Asuncion, Paraguay, with the aim of assassinating Ambassador Benjamin Varon.
When told Varon was out that day, Khaled Derwish Kassab, 21, and Talal al-Demasi, 20, instead shot and killed Edna Peer, 34, the ambassador’s secretary, Moshe’s wife and a mother of three.
Two years later, a Paraguayan court sentenced the pair, identified as PLO members, to 13 years in jail.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/besieged-benjamin-netanyahu-blames-israels-protests-on-epstein-money
By then, Israel had become the target of much more ambitious attacks by PLO terrorists, including the 1972 massacre of its Olympic team in Munich.
The strikes didn’t stop, including two now infamous attacks perpetrated by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a far-left faction of the PLO. In 1976, an Air France jet destined for Tel Aviv was hijacked to Entebbe, Uganda. Lt. Col. Yonatan Netanyahu, brother of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, was killed while commanding the successful rescue mission. In 1985, the Achille Lauro, an Italian cruise ship sailing from Egypt to the Israeli port of Ashdod, was commandeered, resulting in the death of American passenger Leon Klinghoffer, 69.


“His aim was as much land as possible, with as few Arabs as possible living on it. ”
Cicurel unearthed the damning 1969 protocol in a tranche of recently declassified documents. “I couldn’t believe my eyes,” he said. “It appeared to be a massive conspiracy that not coincidentally was concealed from public view.”
Allusions to a transfer plan have slipped out over the years, but never any information hinting at its true dimensions.
In 1969, with Israel still basking in the euphoria of its 1967 victory over the armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq, the nation’s leaders had no idea how to proceed regarding almost one million Palestinians now under their rule.
Israel had evaded the issue of Palestinian refugees displaced by its 1948 war of independence. According to Tom Segev, the preeminent Israeli historian and expert on the nation’s establishment, Israel’s founding prime minister, David Ben Gurion, envisioned “a Jewish state in the land of Israel, with maximum territory and minimum Arabs.”
Of the estimated 950,000 Arabs living in the British-controlled land which became Israel, close to 80 percent fled or were expelled during the war. About 150,000 remained, becoming Israeli citizens.


“The Mossad agent who accompanied them promised he’d return in two or three weeks to see how they were doing, and never came back.”
“Maximum territory doesn’t mean all the land,” explained Segev, whose most recent book is the 2018 Ben Gurion biography A State at Any Cost. “It never has. In 1948, Ben Gurion ordered the army not to extend to east Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza, not because we didn’t have the force to conquer it—we did—but because so many Arabs lived there. His aim was as much land as possible, with as few Arabs as possible living on it. Whenever the possibility of an Israeli expansion to land with a major Arab population came up, the answer was no.”
Yet 19 years later, Prime Minister Golda Meir confronted the conundrum of the fate of the same stateless Palestinians, who, she said in an interview, “have nowhere to turn for their needs than us.” About 300,000 of them lived in Gaza.
Meir weighed various options, including asking Egypt and Jordan, who ruled over the West Bank and Gaza until the 1967 war, for help.
“For many years, Israeli diplomats stationed from Australia to Brazil were charged with handling the matter of refugees, with the aim of settling them elsewhere,” Segev says. “It was the desire of the state of Israel to solve the problem this way. So for Golda, this plan was just another in a long line of similar schemes.”
Little is known of other initiatives to transfer Palestinians, but the Paraguay plan was singularly concrete and ambitious. And, according to Moshe Peer, it was also a botched “security failure.”
“If they knew a group like this was coming to Paraguay, why was the embassy not secured?” he asked in a largely unnoticed 2004 interview with the Israeli newspaper Maariv. In what appears to be the only public statement he ever made on the events, Peer disclosed an excruciating coincidence: he was the diplomat responsible for implementing the Palestinian resettlement plan.
Three weeks before the embassy shooting, Peer found himself rescuing a Mossad agent who was arrested after complaints from a few of the transferred Palestinians, who sensed they’d been abandoned without money and without work.
Mosssad agents provided the operation’s backbone, scouting out possible émigrés in Gaza and promising resettlement in Paraguay.
In the week after his wife’s murder, one of them made Peer swear not to breathe a word of the plan for at least 30 years.
Peer said that Gazan refugees “were assured they’d become landowners, that this was their promised land. The Mossad agent who accompanied them promised he’d return in two or three weeks to see how they were doing, and never came back. They were told ‘start working, you’ll get the money later.’ They felt they’d been set up.”
“They looked for the ambassador and when they couldn’t find him, they shot my wife,” he concluded, “my family was the victim of this transfer.”



 

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Slightly OT,

For about the last million years one of the golden rules is,

"land belongs to those strong enough to TAKE it, and strong enough to KEEP it!

The origional owners of the USA, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, and Europe know this very well. In fact only ICELAND, and a few Pacific island nations, has never been taken by a stronger opponent.

Islam had its try against Israel in 1948, then again in 1967, and then 1973. They failed! And islam still claims ownership of SPAIN, even though they were tossed out in 1492.

Israel has been invaded and reposessed a dozen times in that million years, who is to say just who has the greater claim!
 
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Slightly OT,

For about the last million years one of the golden rules is,

"land belongs to those strong enough to TAKE it, and strong enough to KEEP it!

The origional owners of the USA, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, and Europe know this very well. In fact only ICELAND, and a few Pacific island nations, has never been taken by a stronger opponent.

Islam had its try against Israel in 1948, then again in 1967, and then 1973. They failed! And islam still claims ownership of SPAIN, even though they were tossed out in 1492.

Israel has been invaded and reposessed a dozen times in that million years, who is to say just who has the greater claim!
You were making sense until you referred to Arab secularists as 'Islam' and claim 'Islam claims spain', lol.
 

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You may well "Laugh out loud!"

You are probably not aware that the KORAN, written by Mohammad, tells all committed and faithful Muslims that "Land conqoured by Islam is Forever Muslim".

SO, The KORAN claims Spain, and some other lands in Europe, is still claimed as Muslim today!

...and we all know that the Koran is the first and final authority! and I made NIL reference to "Arab secularists"!!
 
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You may well "Laugh out loud!"

You are probably not aware that the KORAN, written by Mohammad, tells all committed and faithful Muslims that "Land conqoured by Islam is Forever Muslim".

SO, The KORAN claims Spain, and some other lands in Europe, is still claimed as Muslim today!

...and we all know that the Koran is the first and final authority! and I made NIL reference to "Arab secularists"!!
Source for the saying you attribute to Mohammed?

People who conquer land tend to keep it if they can. You should study human behavior and history some time, everybody did conquests and Muslims were no exceptions. However, lots of times it's between people who are local to the regions and with similiar genetic and ethnic makeups so it's not like it made a big difference.

I'm Muslim and I don't view Spain as Islamic land. Spain is Spain to me.

As for the Arab secularists, you mentioned the Arab Israeli wars and they were between Jewish nationalists and Arab secularists. The Arabs were not religious at the time.
 
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