Kashmir | The Case of Freedom

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  • The sound of gunfire marked New Year's Eve in the tense disputed region of Kashmir between India and Pakistan.

    Pakistani rangers shot and killed an Indian soldier, India's military said. India's military shot and killed two Pakistani rangers, Pakistan's military said.

    Both sides claimed that the other started the gunfire.
  • Indian military spokesman Dharminder Parikh said Pakistani rangers opened fire unprovoked at Indian positions in the Samba sector of Indian-administered Kashmir as the old year was coming to a close. A second Indian border soldier was wounded in the fight, he said.
  • Pakistan's Punjab Rangers said that their Indian counterparts had a meeting, and when two rangers contacted them, the Indian side opened fire. The two were wounded and later died, they said.

    The two nuclear-armed South Asian neighbors had agreed to a bilateral ceasefire in border regions in November 2003, and the agreement held for years.

    But there have been breaches in recent years.

    Kashmir has been in the throes of separatist violence since 1989, which has claimed over 43,000 lives.

    Indian soldiers killed in gunfight with militants in Kashmir
    Source:CNN
 
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How about letting the Kashmiris decide for themselves? Like maybe make Kashmir an autonomous region instead of being disputed territory?
 
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That is very sad actually i am just getting to hear about this. I wish the people who did this are brought to book.
 
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I'm so sad for the died people in each side.

I hope that fighting end with no more dead people .
 

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Kashmir and Palestine must be freed its a shame that the so called UN failed to solve these two issues. When the people are fighting against oppression and for the sake of their rights they become terrorists out of the sudden.
 
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Kashmir actually can't be made into a separate autonomous region. It would be risky for everyone. Its surrounded by power hungry nations. If these nations weren't power hungry, one of them would've let go off Kashmir.
The tourism of Kashmir is famous, so keeping it is an asset.
Making it an autonomous region would wage a war of control.
 

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I was reading a book about Kashmir conflict and I thought we could discuss this issue here.

First let's understand the conflict of Kashmir. What is Kashmir? Where is it located? What is the conflict and when did it start. Who are the stumbling block preventing the dispute from being resolved.

Here is a brief wiki introduction so to start. All the claims in this piece are sourced in case you doubt its credibility. You may point out, add, subtract, object, agree, post any update, news and so on.
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The Kashmir conflict (Hindi: कश्मीर विवाद — Kaśmīr Vivād, Urdu: مسئلۂ کشمیر‎ — Masʾala-ē Kašmīr), is a major territorial dispute between the Government of India, Kashmiri insurgent groups and the Government of Pakistan over control of the Kashmir region. Although an interstate dispute over Kashmir has existed between India and Pakistan since the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947,[2] there is also an internal conflict between Kashmiri insurgents—some in favour of Kashmiri accession to Pakistan and others seeking complete independence for the area.[3]

India and Pakistan have fought at least three wars over Kashmir, including the Indo-Pakistani Wars of 1947, 1965 and 1999. Furthermore, since 1984 the two countries have also been involved in several skirmishes over control of the Siachen Glacier. India claims the entire state of Jammu and Kashmir and as of 2010, administers approximately 43% of the region, including most of Jammu, the Kashmir Valley, Ladakh, and the Siachen Glacier. India's claims are contested by Pakistan, which controls approximately 37% of Kashmir, namely Azad Kashmir and the northern areas of Gilgit Baltistan.[4][5]

The roots of the conflict between the Kashmiri insurgents and the Indian Government are tied to a dispute over local autonomy.[6] Democratic development was limited in Kashmir until the late 1970s and by 1988 many of the democratic reforms provided by the Indian Government had been reversed. Non-violent channels for expressing discontent were thereafter limited and caused a dramatic increase in support for insurgents advocating violent secession from India.[6]In 1987, a disputed state election[7] created a catalyst for the insurgency when it resulted in some of the state's legislative assembly members forming armed insurgent groups.[8][9][10] In July 1988 a series of demonstrations, strikes and attacks on the Indian Government began the Kashmir Insurgency.

Although thousands of people have died as a result of the turmoil in Jammu and Kashmir,[11] the conflict has become less deadly in recent years.[12][13] Protest movements created to voice Kashmir's disputes and grievances with the Indian government, specifically the Indian Military, have been active in Indian Administered Kashmir since 1989.[12][13]Elections held in 2008 were generally regarded as fair by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees and had a high voter turnout in spite of calls by militants for a boycott. The election resulted in the creation of the pro-India Jammu & Kashmir National Conference, which then formed a government in the state.[14][15] According to Voice of America, many analysts have interpreted the high voter turnout in this election as a sign that the people of Kashmir endorsed Indian rule in the state.[16] However Sajjad Lone, a prominent separatist leader in Kashmir, claims that "the high turnout should not be taken as a sign that Kashmiris no longer want independence.[16] In 2009 and 2010 unrest erupted once more.
 

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Kashmir is vital for both Pakistan and India geographically, strategically and economically. Both countries will not let go despite the call for complete independence by many Kashmiris. The land is very beautiful and would have been a hub for tourism if it was not for this conflict. Me personally, Kashmir is on my ''places to visit list.''

Indian army and police officers are acting in uncivilized manner with Kashmiris. Every now and then we hear about people including children and women being killed in a cold blood.

Even with the elders......I'm out of words.

@DeltaForce103 what do you say here. Also about the picture please.

 
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@DeltaForce103 what do you say here. Also about the picture please.
While I don't deny that there have been human rights violations by the Indian Army in the region under the guise of fighting "militants", the last paragraph of the wiki article you quoted explains everything I have to say on the topic.

Although thousands of people have died as a result of the turmoil in Jammu and Kashmir, the conflict has become less deadly in recent years.Protest movements created to voice Kashmir's disputes and grievances with the Indian government, specifically the Indian Military, have been active in Indian Administered Kashmir since 1989.Elections held in 2008 were generally regarded as fair by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees and had a high voter turnout in spite of calls by militants for a boycott. The election resulted in the creation of the pro-India Jammu & Kashmir National Conference, which then formed a government in the state. According to Voice of America, many analysts have interpreted the high voter turnout in this election as a sign that the people of Kashmir endorsed Indian rule in the state.
As for the book you've read, I see it was at least partly written by Arundhati Roy. Not what I'd call an unbiased source. She referred to the Indian prime minister's nomination as a "tragedy" and called him a "militaristic and aggressive" leader. She's misguided in that without addressing or even understanding regional geopolitics and history, she expects the country to not arm/defend itself against aggressive neighbours.
 
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Indian Border Security Force soldiers stand guard along fencing near the India-Pakistan Chachwal border outpost (Photo: AFP)
New Delhi: Intelligence agencies have in an advisory sent to security forces, particularly the Army and BSF that guard the international border and the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir, alerted them to remain on high vigil as militants from across the border will try a major infiltration bid through snow-covered passes like in the Gurez sector.

With the onset of summer, the security forces usually shift focus to open passes that are cleared of snow. But the militants this time around are adopting this new modus operandi where they are deliberately trying to come through mountain passes covered heavily in snow to avoid detection by the security forces.

For this the militants are said to equipped with high quality European made snow clothes and shoes, processed food and dry fruits, state-of-the-art GPS and navigation equipment apart from sophisticated weapons. Intelligence sources confirmed that there was specific information that even though mountain passes in the Gurez sector were still covered with heavy snow, the militant deliberately want to come through that sector to avoid any kind of detection by security forces.

But following the intelligence inputs, security forces have substantially increased surveillance and deployment in not just the Gurez sector but other areas as well where snow still blocks the mountain passes. “Even though the summer season has already set in and snow has started clearing on some of the routes, the militants are still deliberately using those mountain passes where heavy snow is still present. This is a deliberate modus operandi to put the security forces on the wrong track. But with this timely input from intelligence agencies we have taken preventive steps,” a senior intelligence official said. Sources also claimed that intelligence inputs also reveal that militants are equipped with requisite paraphernalia.
Infiltration bid from snow-covered passes in Jammu and Kashmir?
 

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Why are not the people of Jammu and Kashmir revolt against India and ask for either autonomy or integration to Pakistan?
 
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Why are not the people of Jammu and Kashmir revolt against India and ask for either autonomy or integration to Pakistan?
They are doing it for past 30 years 100000 thousands have lost there lives and thousands of women raped and thousands have went missing
 

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Indian soldier killed in Kashmir cross border firing


An Indian paramilitary trooper stands guard in front of shuttered shops in Srinagar on June 17, 2015 during a one-day strike called by seperatist groups against a recent spate of mysterious killings in Indian-administered Kashmir. (AFP)

By AFP | Srinagar, India
Thursday, 30 July 2015

India on Thursday accused Pakistan of killing one of its soldiers near the heavily militarised de-facto border that divides Kashmir between the South Asian rivals.

Colonel S. D. Goswami, a spokesman for the Indian army, said Pakistani troops had opened "unprovoked fire" Wednesday evening targeting Indian positions in Poonch sector along the Line of Control (LoC), some 200 kilometres (125 miles) southwest of the main city of Srinagar.

"Pakistani troops violated the ceasefire again during which our soldier was injured who died later," Goswami told AFP, adding that the Indian side had returned fire.

A border ceasefire agreement signed by the neighbours in 2003 has largely held, but both frequently accuse each other of breaching it.

Pakistani officials blamed Indian forces for killing four civilians on July 15 and 16, one in Kashmir itself and three near the town of Sialkot close to the border.

Earlier in July, India accused Pakistan of killing two border guards and one civilian in Kashmir.

Media reports have also said that the attackers behind an assault on a police station in India's Punjab province on Monday, which left 10 people dead, may have travelled from Kashmir.

The Himalayan region has been divided between India and Pakistan, but claimed in full by both, since the two countries gained independence from Britain in 1947.

The Muslim-majority territory is a major source of bitterness in their relationship, but Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif spoke for about an hour while visiting the city of Ufa in Russia for a summit on July 10.

The two countries have fought two wars over the disputed Himalayan region.

Since 1989 several rebel groups have been fighting hundreds of thousands of Indian forces deployed in the region, for independence or a merger of the territory with Pakistan.

The fighting has left tens of thousands, mostly civilians, dead.

Last Update: Thursday, 30 July 2015 KSA 11:45 - GMT 08:45
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/2015/07/30/Indian-soldier-killed-in-Kashmir-cross-border-firing-.html
 
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Sometimes firefights like that breaks out not because of a command from the officers but due a trigger happy soldier. There are instances during the second world war where some troopers admitted that a non-event encounter turned violent due to the volition of the privates who just wanted to test their guns. With the description of unprovoked fire, that's the impression I get - killing due to trigger happy soldiers.