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Pakistan close to buying 39 T129 attack helicopters

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ATAK helicopters deal 90 pct complete, Pakistani minister says
DAILY SABAH WITH ANADOLU AGENCY
ISTANBUL
PublishedNovember 26, 2017
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Following recent reports of Pakistan's interest in Turkey's T129 Advanced Attack and Tactical Reconnaissance Helicopter (ATAK), Pakistan's Defense Production Minister Rana Tanvir Hussein announced on Saturday that the "selling process was 90 percent complete" for 39 T129 ATAK helicopters.

The Pakistani minister, who is currently holding talks in Ankara, emphasized bilateral ties and a long-standing business relationship between Pakistan and Turkey.
"The selling process for the helicopters is 90 percent complete," Hussein said, underscoring that proposals were being examined and financial aspects were being evaluated.

He also stated that in the framework of the MİLGEM (National Ship) Project, four ships will be manufactured for Pakistan - two in Turkey and two in Karachi.
"Turkey will also receive 52 'Super Mushshak' training aircraft from Pakistan," he said. "Many countries are using this aircraft, which is very good for basic training."


Hussein said that Turkey is also examining the issue of acquiring Pakistan's domestically produced JF-17 warplane.

Previously, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) General Manager Temel Kotil stated that Pakistan has agreed to purchase 30 ATAK helicopters, although formal procedures are still being completed. The company is soon expected to sign a purchase agreement with the Pakistani government, Kotil said.
He also referred to Pakistani Prime Minister Shadid Khaqan Abbasi's visit to Turkey last month, when he, as a personal pilot, examined the T129 ATAK and took it on a test flight.

Afterwards, Abbasi reportedly said, "As a pilot, I can say that this is the best and the most effective attack helicopter in the world. The Pakistani Armed Forces has tested this helicopter for four years in all possible conditions and in its finest detail, and found it to be the number-one choice and the most successful [helicopter] in technical terms."

Noting that the ATAK is a very impressive helicopter, Abbasi thanked the TAI general manager and his team, as well as President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.
At the time he said, "At this point, our contract talks continue at full speed. Everything is moving ahead positively. Hopefully, we will purchase this helicopter and bring it into the inventory of the Pakistan Armed Forces as soon as possible."

ATAK helicopters have so far recorded 12,000 flight hours and the aim is to develop a homegrown engine and a domestically produced 20mm artillery system for it.
The T129 ATAK helicopter is a new generation, tandem, two-seat, twin-engine helicopter specifically designed for attack and reconnaissance. Developed from the combat-proven AgustaWestland A129CBT, the new aircraft incorporates a new system philosophy with a new engine - the LHTEC CTS 800-4A - new avionics, sight systems and weapons, modified airframe, an uprated drive train and a new tail rotor.

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/2017/11/27/atak-helicopters-deal-90-pct-complete-pakistani-minister-says
 

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Great option for pakistan to deal with terrorists inside and out‘∞‘
 

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Hussein said that Turkey is also examining the issue of acquiring Pakistan's domestically produced JF-17 warplane.
That would a be huge boost ......... if this materialises, we may see the height of cooperation doors being opened between the two brotherly countries.
 

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That would a be huge boost ......... if this materialises, we may see the height of cooperation doors being opened between the two brotherly countries.
TAI could be partnering with AW / Leonardo on the T249. So how many T129's will be built in the future (excluding Pk and Tk) needs to be taken into account as well.

As per the contract for the new 39, T129's to be built at PAC, the contact stipulates, that PAC will also build parts for other T129's built else where. But how many will be actually be built elsewhere, given the fact, that it is being supersede by the more capable T249.

In terms of ToT it is no doubt a good deal, and would empower PAC to maintain these helos without reliance on foreign suppliers, and risk of embargoes.
 

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good buy for Pakistan, but are you guys still buying the AH-1Z Vipers or is the T-129 taking it's place?
 

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TAI could be partnering with AW / Leonardo on the T249. So how many T129's will be built in the future (excluding Pk and Tk) needs to be taken into account as well.

As per the contract for the new 39, T129's to be built at PAC, the contact stipulates, that PAC will also build parts for other T129's built else where. But how many will be actually be built elsewhere, given the fact, that it is being supersede by the more capable T249.

In terms of ToT it is no doubt a good deal, and would empower PAC to maintain these helos without reliance on foreign suppliers, and risk of embargoes.
I believe last line is the crux along with the credit facility approval from Turkish side. Budgetary limits too play the role ....Further it is
It could also pave way for newly developed Kamra city...Turkey still needs to developed T249 and the timing for that is still unknown
 

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good buy for Pakistan, but are you guys still buying the AH-1Z Vipers or is the T-129 taking it's place?
Ordered for AH-1Z has already been place ...T 129 is additional to that ..
Department of Defense contract notification published in April 2016 only refers to a total of nine AH-1Z Viper helicopters to be purchased by Pakistan for an estimated $170.2 million contract.
The original request by Pakistan also included the sale of 1,000 AGM-114 R Hellfire II missiles.
Aircraft delivery of 15 AH-1Z helicopters to be completed by 2018. Pakistan ordered three in 2015, followed by 9 in 2016.
 

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good buy for Pakistan, but are you guys still buying the AH-1Z Vipers or is the T-129 taking it's place?
Pakitsan is buying both as of now if things goes as per plan then we will have :
1) Mi 35E
2) AH 1Z Vipers
3) t-129
 

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Pakitsan is buying both as of now if things goes as per plan then we will have :
1) Mi 35E
2) AH 1Z Vipers
3) t-129
Can you list the number of units for each type, I believe 4 Mi35e have been delivered.

Secondly what about the older AH-1 in service - how many of them, as of now?
 

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Does pakistan operate Apaches? Why not going after them instead of ATAK?
 

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Does pakistan operate Apaches? Why not going after them instead of ATAK?
I believe for AH-1Z, it is because Pakistan has experience operating the older AH-1s. but for the Apaches no, and I do not think they will be able to acquire them because India will have 39 Apache-Guardian on order with a potential ordering 22
 

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I believe for AH-1Z, it is because Pakistan has experience operating the older AH-1s. but for the Apaches no, and I do not think they will be able to acquire them because India will have 39 Apache-Guardian on order with a potential ordering 22
The US has no legitimate reason to be upset about Pakistan-China arm deals.
 

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The US has no legitimate reason to be upset about Pakistan-Chia arm deals.
we (China) have multiple-potential deals with Pakistan as of now, which is somewhat surpassing Turkey's offers because we are offering Transfer of Technology to them so they can license build. I would not consider the US to be "upset" as more of a arms-pusher. The US lost their market in Pakistan a while ago, only doing mostly major 2nd hand deals.
 

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