Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[AliYusuf]

but that next door enemy have a land mass three time of our country and most of the parts of India in her south and South east are relatively secure from us as we could only reach to those areas only with Ballistic Missiles or our by submarines

The example you gave barely touched gujrat after using 1000km missile range. Better to use ballistic missiles or babur than that.

that 1000 Km range missile OR even our longest range missile of 2,750 km does not shift the focus of Indian forces from our eastern border to their south.

These missile does not force Indian Navy or Air Force to defend the south India, but attract counter measures against these system at our Eastern border

employment of H-6

- Would Force India to install at least 4 regiments of S-400 class SAM for the defence of Economic and Defence centres at her coastal belt, what is the current cost of S-400 system ...???

- Will force IAF to deploy 100s of fighter jets to defend coastal belt of 2000+ KM till south and south east, I may be wrong but currently only two sqd. of Su-30MKI are deployed in South India and few "Tejas jets" so you can understand how comfortable they feel about the defence of their Southern Coast

- It will force India Navy to constantly Operate at least two Air Craft carrier groups in two different Zones which mean IN will be required to have more than two carrier groups

- It will force India to either forgo their dream of enforcing Naval blockade of Pakistan or to increase her Navy at least 3 times

So:
Can India do this in short or in medium term .... ???
My answer is NO .....

Will it cost them fortune .... ???
My answer is YES

- It will force India to increase here Air Force for the defence of South If they want to maintain same level of Presence and Pressure against us at our Eastern Border.

How many AWAC India Operate in Coastal Belt specially in South .... ??

How many Aerial Tankers Does India operate .... ???

So the question is :
Does any our current system cause such effects over India .... ???
My answer is again NO .....

So these are the summarise positive arguments in favour of H-6 ......

Push comes to shove, even with their economy in a slowdown, India can spend 10 times what we can without having the same impact on their economy that the one tenth of which will have on ours. Bringing in H-6 may not have justify the monetary expense required for it's missions. I don't agree you can let H-6 go out on an offensive mission without A2A + EW + SEAD assets suporting it.

 

[HRK]

And I am highly skeptical

just sceptical I am sure it will not be realised .... it was just a suggestion at the forum I am sure it will have no practical outcome

 

[HRK]

The example you gave barely touched gujrat

as said earlier Gujarat and Eastern Mharashtra are accessible to us by multiple means ...... my suggested area of interests are way beyond these two mention states

India can spend 10 times what we can without having the same impact on their economy that the one tenth of which will have on ours.

but time ....??? can they achieve to increase their navy 3 times with in a 10-15 years or could provide SAM cover to all of their coastal economic and defence centres or increase their Air froce size by 100s of fighter jet in the same time ....???

 

[HRK]

I don't agree you can let H-6 go out on an offensive mission without A2A + EW + SEAD assets suporting it.

you have right to disagree but before that just name those fighter jets and EW assets available which could escort H-6 in 6000 km mission (combat radius of H-6= 3000 km i.e. from take-off to the target area and return)

Plus what is the Radar coverage area of Indian Ocean by Indian Air force and Navy, what is the longest range SAM installed in any of Indian naval vessel ....???

how many Fighter Jets IAF can spear for Long Range interception over the ocean ....??

How many refuel aircraft IAF or IN have ....??

Here would ask you to study limitation of Indian forces for operations over the Indian ocean .....

 

[AliYusuf]

as said earlier Gujarat and Eastern Mharashtra are accessible to us by multiple means ...... my suggested area of interests are way beyond these two mention states

but time ....??? can they achieve to increase their navy 3 times with in a 10-15 years or could provide SAM cover to all of their coastal economic and defence centres or increase their Air froce size by 100s of fighter jet in the same time ....???

India can do just enough. I doubt whether they will need to increase their current Navy size 3 folds. They can bring assets that will have similar force multiplying effect.

Their only drawback is that their personnel are not in the same caliber as our personnel in general. The combat savvy acumen of the Pakistan armed forces is at a higher level than their Indian counterparts in general.

 

[HRK]

They can bring assets that will have similar force multiplying effect.

our coast is just 1100 KM any Su-30 which could fly from Gujarat theoretically could reach Gawadar so what else could they employ which theoretical could force our offensive operation of H-6 to halt ....??? or could increase threat level to our Navy

Its our requirement to put same level of threat to their south and employment of H-6 in offensive role is perfect match to this particular requirement our, and it will test the defence and operational capability of two Indian services to the maximum

 

[AliYusuf]

Its our requirement to put same level of threat to their south and employment of H-6 in offensive role is perfect match to this particular requirement our, and it will test the defence and operational capability of two Indian services to the maximum

8 new subs
4-to-6 new frigates
J-15s
JF-17 Block-II/III
Mirage-III/V
JH-7AII (maybe)
Can put a considerable level of threat India's way and have a good chance to thwart an Indian attempt to do the same.

 

[Wamaman]

Seems like.

It was generic feedback...not related to individuals...Just a way forward fellas...!!!

 

[AliYusuf]

It was generic feedback...not related to individuals...Just a way forward fellas...!!!

Thank you for your update. But wasn't necessary.

 

[TomCat]

Thank you for your update. But wasn't necessary.

 

[Gripen9]

I dont think that the PG variant is used by PLAAF. The ones we got were built for us not transferred.

PG is essentially J-7MG Airguard with double cranked wings. I remember they came in crates on a container ship and were assembled in a hurry at KHI (not Kamra). We installed Grifo-7 & MB 0-0 on them later on.

 

[Gripen9]

Hi,

Meray piyaray bachay----young man you don't even know what the deal is----we are not destroying mumbai---we just going to strike some tactical positions & areas---.

Just a couple of bangs so that the financial houses take their money and run out of the country---. That's all---. It would destroy india's economy.

That is why I wonder---why has the Paf not invested in aircraft that can target mumbai---. I have stated for a long time---there is treason somewhere in the Paf at the grass root levels---.

Ideal would be EMP devices dropped/exploded in Hyderabad and Bangalore that fries up all those datacenters. No loss of life but whole eCommerce businesses crippled. When Amazon/Microsoft run out of India, uncle modi will straighten up in a hurry.

 

[Wingless]

We didn't get the F-6s till 1966. There were no F-6 available during 65 war. China did "gift" the first 60 in 1966. And we incorporated AIM-9b missiles on them.

Similarly in 2002, they urgently transferred 40 additional F-7PGs but no A-5s. Who would want A-5s in 2002

I myself saw A-5 (chinese) in peshawar at that time.

 

[AliYusuf]

I myself saw A-5 (chinese) in peshawar at that time.

• No. 7 Squadron Bandits operated A-5C from 1983 until circa 1991.
• No. 26 Squadron Black Spiders operated A-5C from 1984 until February 2010.
• No. 16 Squadron Black Panthers operated A-5C from 1983 until April 2011.

 

[Gripen9]

I myself saw A-5 (chinese) in peshawar at that time.

Those were the original 40 we had received from China in the 80s. No additional A-5s were received in 2000s.

• No. 26 Squadron Black Spiders operated A-5C from 1984 until February 2010.
• No. 16 Squadron Black Panthers operated A-5C from 1983 until April 2011.

Both Sqn operated from PAF Peshawar and were the first ones to transition onto JF-17s