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And suddenly we find ourselves at the verge of being strangulated by the powers to be---.

Turkey---just started a war and got sanctioned---with the whole of the christian world going against the Turks---.

And pakistan being almost left alone---only for the fortune of being the chinese neighbor ad standing with china being the saving grace---all major muslim nations succumbing one after the other to the might of the US military incursion---. All the world knows that Pakistan has been separated from the herd---and the only one to whom the truth does not register is on the Pakistani---living in a delusional world of ignorance and self belief---.

Yesterday---the western world presented the GCC on a platter to pakistan to be their guardian angel---and how did that happen is still and act of disbelief to me after all these years---.

What was to me being shown so many years ago was like some movie from the future playing on a large screen of the things to come to the region and tragically I could make others see what I was looking at---at what was coming our way---.

With iranians starting a proxy war in yemen against the state thru their houthis of yemen---supplying them with fighter---trainers and weapons an aura of instability started to appear over the region---.

For reasons better known to them the US and the UK agreed that the pakistani military would be best suited to take on the incursion of the yemeni rebels as the pak military was most suited and most well trained in that area after a very successful operation in the pakistani region of FATA---.

Getting a nod from the west the GCC looked towards pakistan to step in and take charge of the situation and provide security and stability to the region---.

But the litany of events that followed was mind boggling---shocking---of the incompetency shown by he pakistani military General command and pakistan's leadership.

This was the true " EAST INDIA COMPANY" moment for pakistan---and I don't mean no disrespect for my GCC brethren---as much reward that pakistan wanted---it was there for the taking.

When questioned about their concerns---the indian generals talked to Indira Gandhi about their concerns of Pak military might attack after the main indian army went to conquer east pakistan---to that Indira replied " don't worry about them---they won't---they don't have the courage ---".

The same happened when the GCC came looking for help from their pakistani brethren---the pakistani general command cowed down and took a bow---. These clowns could not comprehend what was happening---what was coming to the region---what their military presence could do for pakistan and for the muslim nations of the region---how would pak military presence would raise the economy of pakistan for the better and bring industrial and educational growth for the nation---.

Basically---pakistan generals had no vision or clue how to proceed---. It wa upto to the pakistanis to tell the GCC how much military they would need and how much would it cost---. They would have started with about 20000 troops and build up the troop strength thru fresh recruitment and calling the retired non coms and officers to service and build up a force of around 150000 troops stationed at three to four different locations---.

The force being funded by GCC---totally independent with weaponry---air force---navy---ground troops and transport---a totally independent battle group having its own tank divs---artillery divs---quick deployment force---special forces---at the service of GCC for their protection.

History has shown us over the centuries that whichever military group supported the king and had the King's favor was also financially and economically well off by themselves---their familes---heir employees and their servants as well---with better opportunity of education and a better life style---.

The same would have happened for pakistan as well---. The Pak troops in the GCC would be better paid troops---they would be sending more money back home to pakistan to their immediate families who would be spending that money for a better lifestyle---like in living conditions---food---education---which would have resulted in jobs for many other people thru a trickle down effect.

To maintain and manage a military on a foreign land---a supporting industry would also grow with the needs of the troops and for their families---. As pakistan being the dominant force in the region---most of the civilian jobs of influence would also be going to the pakistanis rathe than their arch enemy---..

In a period of 2 to 3 years with economy stabilizing in pakistan and thru economic growth---pakistanis getting steady on their feet and the GCC getting stable and confident in its security---they would be headed for stability and peace in a zone of security---.

Yemen crisis would have been neutralized in a timely manner with a least amount of loss of life and property---iranian influence put back on the back burner---and pakistani moving ahead with a steadiness in its step---arch enemy india contained and controlled---.

But tragically such was not the case---. Nothing like that happened---. The true cowardice and incompetence of the pakistani generals showed thru the facade---. With their stomachs full from the US aid money---the pakistani generals had no need for any adventure---the assumption that their nucs made them secure and they did not need to spread beyond their borders and keep the enemy farther away did not mean anything to them---.

Sdaly---the time did not stop at the whims of the pakistani generals---the indians after they saw the failings of the pakistani generals---stepped right into the empty space---even though they did not provide military assistance---they got financial reward for acknowledging the problem that the GCC faced---.

4 years down the road---the indians were successful in separating pakistan from its herd---the GCC. In the meantime---the US overthrew Qaddafi---started trouble in syria and destroyed that country---iraq was already gone---and trouble brewing hard on the borders of Turkey---.

The indian puppet govt of Nawaz Sharif had done a successful job of what they had planned with their indian partners for getting them back into the seat of power in pakistan by destroying pakistan's economy like never before---putting pakistan in a massive economic debt by starting project that were of no use to the nation or the public---taking out so many loans that it put pakistan in an extremely precarious position that if it might have lasted any longer---the nation's economy would have crashed and pakistan would have to sell its nuc program to get out of the debt---by neutering itself in the process---.

It came pretty close---but Nawaz Sharif got caught---pakistan's economy took a massive hit---pakistan's image took a massive hit---friends had stepped away from pakistan---uncertain times were staring pakistan in the eye and pakistan was going down a never ending spiral---. New govt came it---brought some stability to the economy---. By begging---borrowing pakistan survived the harrowing first year after Nawaz---but it had given away its position of strength and was begging from a position of weakness---. Its army and navy in one direction---its air force had its own direction---the judges running around in circles---the state ministers not knowing what to do---the Prime Minister---who came swinging like a warrior--who would take out all the criminals and the incompetent fizzled out within minutes of getting into power by declaring that " he is a pessimist "---.

Seeing a weak state of pakistan and not standing with the GCC---iran became more and more aggressive towards the GCC---india tested pakistan on the 26th feb to test the waters---got a whimpering of a reply on the 27th feb by the Paf---after it was pushed very hard by the pakistani public and then india realized that the moment had to strike---.

While pakistan's prime minister declared that he felt like winning the world cup one more time---india annexed Kashmir---. Suddenly the flames of war have spread fast on the Trukey / Syria border---the US has placed sanctions on Trukey---all the christian world is after Turkey's blood---and suddenly Pakistan is finding itself to be the sole muslim power left of the muslim world---.
 

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No vision, no vision at all in civilian and military leaderships of Muslim world.

Muslim countries are being picked up so easily like sheeps by pack of wolves in an unguarded herd.

Iran played a very good role in backstabbing, in which they are master since centuries. But, again they are not to blamed. The history has already taught everything. If we don't learn, it's our fault.
 
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You make it seem like the decision to avoid the war was made without any thought behind it. You completely, and deliberately ignore the elephant in the room.

Marching to Yemen would not have put back Iranian influence on the back burner, it would have shifted their focus to our border. Their proxies would set Balochistan on fire. We would have no choice but to raise a western border force capable of plugging infiltration from Iran, taxing our already extended resources on the east, particularly Kashmir, and our armies now fighting in Yemen.

We suddenly find ourselves defending against a 3-front war.

The 3rd front won't even be in our country, it would be Yemen where we get bogged down until we figure out the lay of the land, build human intelligence on the ground, and work our way through shoddy alliances. Even then with slim chance of success. It's a completely foreign country where we'll find no friends.

That is exactly what India wanted. It's no secret anymore that Iran is willing to coordinate with India to work against us.

We got paid to fight the American WoT too. Look how well that turned out. And that was within Pakistan. We had the backing of this planet's most effective killing machine, the American Army. The enemy were ragtag groups of insurgents. Imagine doing the same with the backing of GCC, who have little experience with war, and against an enemy with decades of experience wielding proxies against just about everyone in the region.


The apt phrase for said situation would be "Proper f***ed"!
 

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You make it seem like the decision to avoid the war was made without any thought behind it. You completely, and deliberately ignore the elephant in the room.

Marching to Yemen would not have put back Iranian influence on the back burner, it would have shifted their focus to our border. Their proxies would set Balochistan on fire. We would have no choice but to raise a western border force capable of plugging infiltration from Iran, taxing our already extended resources on the east, particularly Kashmir, and our armies now fighting in Yemen.

We suddenly find ourselves defending against a 3-front war.

The 3rd front won't even be in our country, it would be Yemen where we get bogged down until we figure out the lay of the land, build human intelligence on the ground, and work our way through shoddy alliances. Even then with slim chance of success. It's a completely foreign country where we'll find no friends.

That is exactly what India wanted. It's no secret anymore that Iran is willing to coordinate with India to work against us.

We got paid to fight the American WoT too. Look how well that turned out. And that was within Pakistan. We had the backing of this planet's most effective killing machine, the American Army. The enemy were ragtag groups of insurgents. Imagine doing the same with the backing of GCC, who have little experience with war, and against an enemy with decades of experience wielding proxies against just about everyone in the region.


The apt phrase for said situation would be "Proper f***ed"!
The only thing that limits a person, from achieving his full potential, is his mindset.
 
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The only thing that limits a person, from achieving his full potential, is his mindset.
And his mistakes...

Zia-ul-Haq, Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, WoT - these are our mistakes that have limited us from achieving our potential.

Hitler's mistake was the USSR invasion, there was nothing defeatist about his mindset. Only his mistake.
 

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You make it seem like the decision to avoid the war was made without any thought behind it. You completely, and deliberately ignore the elephant in the room.

Marching to Yemen would not have put back Iranian influence on the back burner, it would have shifted their focus to our border. Their proxies would set Balochistan on fire. We would have no choice but to raise a western border force capable of plugging infiltration from Iran, taxing our already extended resources on the east, particularly Kashmir, and our armies now fighting in Yemen.

We suddenly find ourselves defending against a 3-front war.

The 3rd front won't even be in our country, it would be Yemen where we get bogged down until we figure out the lay of the land, build human intelligence on the ground, and work our way through shoddy alliances. Even then with slim chance of success. It's a completely foreign country where we'll find no friends.

That is exactly what India wanted. It's no secret anymore that Iran is willing to coordinate with India to work against us.

We got paid to fight the American WoT too. Look how well that turned out. And that was within Pakistan. We had the backing of this planet's most effective killing machine, the American Army. The enemy were ragtag groups of insurgents. Imagine doing the same with the backing of GCC, who have little experience with war, and against an enemy with decades of experience wielding proxies against just about everyone in the region.


The apt phrase for said situation would be "Proper f***ed"!
Someone give this guy a positive rating from me.
Your analysis is purely based on ground realities
 

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And his mistakes...

Zia-ul-Haq, Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, WoT - these are our mistakes that have limited us from achieving our potential.

Hitler's mistake was the USSR invasion, there was nothing defeatist about his mindset. Only his mistake.
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There is no comparison between Hitler's invasion and our participating in WOT or Zia against Russia---.

Hitler's invasion was delayed by two months---.

Zia did what he had to---the aftermath happened due to his passing away and no capable person in his place.

WOT failure is simply and purely Pakistani public's failure---.

Here is the mentality of the general pakistani public---

Gen Musharraf sends a consideration message to Benazir Bhutto to be careful---" you have been out of the country for a long time now---things have changed and there are a major security concerns about your safety---"

Benazir's response to the world---" Gen Musharraf has threatened to assassinate me---".

Gen Musharraf---" Oh gee---thanks for blaming me to warn you of what would be coming your way---".

Rather than taking care of the issue---going in and executing OBL in afg---the whole of the pakistani nation was busy blaming the US for the 9/11 happenings---.

The 20 crore pakistani awam was not worried about the coming of the most monstrous christian army into a muslim land and devastating the muslim land---they were busy trying to find blame on the US---.

It took pakistani awam 13 years to accept that the terrorists were muslims even though being paid by the indians and the US---but still the pakistanis have never taken this issue to understand with a clear mind---.

We had the somewhat backing of the killing machine---but the biggest enemy of pakistan was the pakistani public---. Its failure to accept the fact created massive hurdle in how pak military would proceed---.

Then pak generals also failed to address the deceit in the operation of the american forces---.

Now as for iran playing proxies in pakistan---the retaliation from pakistan would have been swift and massive---only if the pakistanis wanted to show courage---.

Amazing it is---young pakistanis are still sleeping---totally clueless to what has occurred in the surrounding nations---trying to save iran and destroying pakistan in the process---.
 
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You make it seem like the decision to avoid the war was made without any thought behind it. You completely, and deliberately ignore the elephant in the room.

Marching to Yemen would not have put back Iranian influence on the back burner, it would have shifted their focus to our border. Their proxies would set Balochistan on fire. We would have no choice but to raise a western border force capable of plugging infiltration from Iran, taxing our already extended resources on the east, particularly Kashmir, and our armies now fighting in Yemen.

We suddenly find ourselves defending against a 3-front war.

The 3rd front won't even be in our country, it would be Yemen where we get bogged down until we figure out the lay of the land, build human intelligence on the ground, and work our way through shoddy alliances. Even then with slim chance of success. It's a completely foreign country where we'll find no friends.

That is exactly what India wanted. It's no secret anymore that Iran is willing to coordinate with India to work against us.

We got paid to fight the American WoT too. Look how well that turned out. And that was within Pakistan. We had the backing of this planet's most effective killing machine, the American Army. The enemy were ragtag groups of insurgents. Imagine doing the same with the backing of GCC, who have little experience with war, and against an enemy with decades of experience wielding proxies against just about everyone in the region.


The apt phrase for said situation would be "Proper f***ed"!
This was the perfect opportunity for Pakistan to stop being "a majority, held hostage by a minority," but the vision is simply not there.
 

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This was the perfect opportunity for Pakistan to stop being "a majority, held hostage by a minority," but the vision is simply not there.
Sir, unfortunately the minority you are referring to, according to my observance, has places mostly among Journalists, Social media influencers, celebrities, Anchors, media groups. These people have money, power of this century which is media that is used for yellow journalism, celebrities have a blind following, they raise a stupid worthless issue, everyone goes blindfold. I agree on the fact that we are somewhat ruled upon by their dominance in upper places due to the simple plain stupid fact that iran uses religion as a card, uses the specific sect as a women card and people here go all "whoooo whaaaaa" when speakers in iran go active.
 

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I think even China has opposed Turkey's Syrian expedition.
What's the position of usual Assad supporter, Iran?
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Wrong decisions are like, missing exit on motor way, you start heading in wrong direction, if you realize soon, you have a chance to correct, if you are ignorant than you will realize only when the road ends.

Erdogan, may be right or wrong in his Syrian expedition, but he was totally wrong on Egypt and Qatar.

US pushed Turkey in to Syria, but was the first one to show empty hands.
Seems, US was arming Kurds only for this day.
This is how regional chess was being played by the players.... US, Iran, Russia.
I think, i can already guess the trap here.
If both Pakistan and Turkey didn't correct their course here, lot of Muslims blood will be spilled, due to wrong decisions of two ignorant.

It's time that Erdogan re-conciliate with influential regional powers and as long IK is PM of Pakistani with Zardari's team in bureaucracy. I can only say, Pakistan ka to Khud hi hafiz.
 
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No vision, no vision at all in civilian and military leaderships of Muslim world.

Muslim countries are being picked up so easily like sheeps by pack of wolves in an unguarded herd.

Iran played a very good role in backstabbing, in which they are master since centuries. But, again they are not to blamed. The history has already taught everything. If we don't learn, it's our fault.
Iranian moves with respect to Pakistan were surely coordinated with a team in Pakistan.
It's not a one day game, Iran has been working on Pakistan from long time.
Today, they have such an organized mafia that even army can't touch them despite tons of evidence, and to camouflage their own mafia in eyes of public they created redundant mafias, likes of TLY and similar others.

Iran has always (40 years) sided with India on Kashmir issue, but this time, they didn't do any thing besides 1/2 tweet and it was propagated on pdf and their allied media cells, like India had vacated Kashmir. Organized mafia was cheering like winning a lottery.

What ever was building in Pakistan against GCC, before this... was also part of the sequel.

Only thing which wasn't planned, was THE Indian incompetency on 26th and 27th February.
If PAF had been given free hand, today US attention would have been divided, and most likely, Trump would have been busy ''mediating''. where of course IK would have surrendered as planned.
At the moment, west is trying their best to give IK something to hang on, even if it is a visit of prince and princess.
If any Pakistani general would meet US president that become negative publicity, lead by IK.
 
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Iranian moves with respect to Pakistan were surely coordinated with a team in Pakistan.
It's not a one day game, Iran has been working on Pakistan from long time.
Today, they have such an organized mafia that even army can't touch them despite tons of evidence, and to camouflage their own mafia in eyes of public they created redundant mafias, likes of TLY and similar others.

Iran has always (40 years) sided with India on Kashmir issue, but this time, they didn't do any thing besides 1/2 tweet and it was propagated on pdf and their allied media cells, like India had vacated Kashmir. Organized mafia was cheering like winning a lottery.

What ever was building in Pakistan against GCC, before this... was also part of the sequel.

Only thing which wasn't planned, was THE Indian incompetency on 26th and 27th February.
If PAF had been given free hand, today US attention would have been divided, and most likely, Trump would have been busy ''mediating''. where of course IK would have surrendered as planned.
At the moment, west is trying their best to give IK something to hang on, even if it is a visit of prince and princess.
If any Pakistani general would meet US president that become negative publicity, lead by IK.
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I firmly believe that India would not have made a move on Kashmir without the prior approval of Iran and USA---. It is a major major move and India had to have the blessings of both Iran & the USA---it allies---.
 

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I firmly believe that India would not have made a move on Kashmir without the prior approval of Iran and USA---. It is a major major move and India had to have the blessings of both Iran & the USA---it allies---.
Yes, and more so of a reason that PAF should have taken all their heat out, at the opportune moment.
All blame would be on modi's head, while US would have offered to release FMS funds, in exchange for making Pakistan agree in solving Kashmir on table.
On political side, Indian elections were due, imagine what sort of chaos India would have been in, if war had escalated to ground.
 
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Dr. Hassan Askari who himself is of Iranian background, was once asked by Beynazir Bhutto to talk with Iranian ambassador on some matter. The ambassador replied "we consider Pakistan a brotherly nation. Otherwise there are 70000 people in Pakistan that are ready to fight on single call."

This is incident of 90s. Normally these thing about Iranian Mullah's followers are kept secret in Pakistan, but this published in Nawa e waqt. I had posted this in pdf along source of newspaper. If in 90s they had 70000 fighters, imagine what can be the situation today.

There's no doubt, whenever in future, a mass scale attack from eastern front arrives, an attack from inside Pakistan and Balochistan border will also come at the same time.

District Kurram (previously Kurram Agency) was mainly divided between two tribes, Turi shias and Chamkani sunnis. As our govt always wants to be nice similiing to Iranian mullah, from 2009 to 2011, Turies wiped out all the Chamkanis in city of Para Chinar and surroundings. There were some mobile videos and photos of atrocities circulating, but our peaceful govt did nothing and media had never even mentioned the horrific ethnic cleansing. All you see in the media is "atrocities against shia" , "brutal killings of shia".

Iranian Mullah has already captured Pakistan. It is just matter of time to reveal it.

Iranian moves with respect to Pakistan were surely coordinated with a team in Pakistan.
It's not a one day game, Iran has been working on Pakistan from long time.
Today, they have such an organized mafia that even army can't touch them despite tons of evidence, and to camouflage their own mafia in eyes of public they created redundant mafias, likes of TLY and similar others.

Iran has always (40 years) sided with India on Kashmir issue, but this time, they didn't do any thing besides 1/2 tweet and it was propagated on pdf and their allied media cells, like India had vacated Kashmir. Organized mafia was cheering like winning a lottery.

What ever was building in Pakistan against GCC, before this... was also part of the sequel.

Only thing which wasn't planned, was THE Indian incompetency on 26th and 27th February.
If PAF had been given free hand, today US attention would have been divided, and most likely, Trump would have been busy ''mediating''. where of course IK would have surrendered as planned.
At the moment, west is trying their best to give IK something to hang on, even if it is a visit of prince and princess.
If any Pakistani general would meet US president that become negative publicity, lead by IK.
 

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Sir, unfortunately the minority you are referring to, according to my observance, has places mostly among Journalists, Social media influencers, celebrities, Anchors, media groups. These people have money, power of this century which is media that is used for yellow journalism, celebrities have a blind following, they raise a stupid worthless issue, everyone goes blindfold. I agree on the fact that we are somewhat ruled upon by their dominance in upper places due to the simple plain stupid fact that iran uses religion as a card, uses the specific sect as a women card and people here go all "whoooo whaaaaa" when speakers in iran go active.
To let them multiply, and gorw stronger by the day is not only a shame, but a disgrace.

Like they say " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing. "
 

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