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PL-15 with AESA seeker, has a greater than or equal to 150km range. It also has a NEZ comparable to that of the Meteor.
Yes I was earlier making that point. JF-17 will get at par with rafale thanks to Pl-15 but what will happen to our F16s. We only have Aim120 C5s for them which have lesser legs than the meteor/Pl-15.
 

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Yes I was earlier making that point. JF-17 will get at par with rafale thanks to Pl-15 but what will happen to our F16s. We only have Aim120 C5s for them which have lesser legs than the meteor/Pl-15.
That certainly is an issue. But we need to be mindful that these max ranges are the effective kinetic ranges of these missiles. Their tiny on board seekers cannot see more than 20km for a fighter sized target, which would be around 25 to 30 km for AESA seekers. All this talk about NEZ of 50km or 60km are subject to many favorable parameters and sometimes marketing hype. Real world combat merge and dense EW environment is a great leveler. US hardware are the ones which are the most understated and perform the best in actual combat.
 

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Yes I was earlier making that point. JF-17 will get at par with rafale thanks to Pl-15 but what will happen to our F16s. We only have Aim120 C5s for them which have lesser legs than the meteor/Pl-15.
The PAF will obviously look to upgrade the F-16s to F-16V-standard and (finally) bring the fleet to its originally planned 110 aircraft strength (hence the rumours for new Block-72).
 

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Look , They can take 20 years to strategise but their planners will recognize the same fact I pointed out above i.e. the differential in max ranges of both missiles and they will use it to their advantage.On Feb 27 anyone with inside knowledge will tell you that it was part of our strategy to stay the hell away from their mirage 2000s which had been equiped with meteors. Our superior AIM 120 C-5s was the only reason we got the alleged Su30 kill. We could get closer but they could not.
Errrrrr........ :)

SU30 was armed with a version of R-27 with range almost equal to AIM120 ....... so why couldnt they get closer to score a hit ? They had equal chance.
 

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You are pleased too easily. It was never desisive! Shooting down a couple of aircraft is not desisive. And it was our JF-17 and Mirages that were the stars. The BVR shootout was a bonus no one even knew would happen.
Really ?

so PAF plays cricket on runways all day ? §§•
 

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Yes I was earlier making that point. JF-17 will get at par with rafale thanks to Pl-15 but what will happen to our F16s. We only have Aim120 C5s for them which have lesser legs than the meteor/Pl-15.
A "missile" makes JF-17 "on par " with Rafale ? *-*
 

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That certainly is an issue. But we need to be mindful that these max ranges are the effective kinetic ranges of these missiles. Their tiny on board seekers cannot see more than 20km for a fighter sized target, which would be around 25 to 30 km for AESA seekers. All this talk about NEZ of 50km or 60km are subject to many favorable parameters and sometimes marketing hype. Real world combat merge and dense EW environment is a great leveler. US hardware are the ones which are the most understated and perform the best in actual combat.
You mentioned range but what about - azimuth - as in the viewing beamwidth of the missile seeker ?
 

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As per the admission of Indian media their M2K were unable to get a lock on any of our jet just read the Indian media reports, and as our Air Chief our JF-17 performed satisfactorily against M2K for this read his interview given to Alan Warner few month back.

As per unofficial reports JF-17 sucesfully manage to get lock against both MKI and M2k of IAF, this thing get some weight by the tweet of Maj. Gen. Asif Ghafoor in which he ask Indians to pick the jet of their choice (among JF-17 and F-16) in reply to their claim that of unauthorised used of F-16.
Some say SD-10 was fired, but AIM120 hit first.
 

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@Mastankhan

You always have PAF in your cross hairs, why dont you yell out to Pakistani public for boycotting all French products since France sold India Rafale that has the capability to bomb Pakistan and Pakistanis ?
 

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@Mastankhan

You always have PAF in your cross hairs, why dont you yell out to Pakistani public for boycotting all French products since France sold India Rafale that has the capability to bomb Pakistan and Pakistanis ?
It is his opinion. You should learn to absorb difference of opinion.
It would be better if you don't use this forum a platform to abuse others just for different opinions, like pdf.
 

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It is his opinion. You should learn to absorb difference of opinion.
It would be better if you don't use this forum a platform to abuse others just for different opinions, like pdf.
Can you show me where have i abused ?

If he has an opinion, then i have mine too. Just like he shares his opinion, i have shared mine also. so whats wrong with that ? Since you are not WDF Management, so stop accusing me with assumptions of your own.
 

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Can you show me where have i abused ?

If he has an opinion, then i have mine too. Just like he shares his opinion, i have shared mine also. so whats wrong with that ? Since you are not WDF Management, so stop accusing me with assumptions of your own.
words of disrespect are same as abuses in civilized world.
You have never been abused just to have another opinion. What you need to learn to absorb others opinions.
I know what I am and Mastan is not Indian, and even if he is, he must not be abused because of the facts he presents, nor should anybody else.
Stop this culture of distributing certificates of loyalty.
 

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words of disrespect are same as abuses in civilized world.
You have never been abused just to have another opinion. What you need to learn to absorb others opinions.
I know what I am and Mastan is not Indian, and even if he is, he must not be abused because of the facts he presents, nor should anybody else.
Stop this culture of distributing certificates of loyalty.
I have never disrespected MK so stop lecturing me.
 

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I have never disrespected MK so stop lecturing me.
Don't yell !
how that feels? and when you are saying this to an old man of your father's age ? Can you say this to your father ?
and now please don't divert this to lecture of English language to direct it to somewhere else.

@Khafee please delete irrelevant posts from 489 onward. Seems like culture of pdf is slipping here too.
 

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@Mastankhan

You always have PAF in your cross hairs, why dont you yell out to Pakistani public for boycotting all French products since France sold India Rafale that has the capability to bomb Pakistan and Pakistanis ?
Hi,

Welcome to world-defence---.

Why to jump on the french---. They offered the Rafale to us first---Paf rejected it---they offered M2k to us first Paf rejected it---.

They gave us the most advanced submarines of their time in asia---they offered us the Mirage F1 with assembly line---we rejected it as well---.

What french products can pakistanis ban---the pakistanis can hardly afford anything french---.

Now if you want to use Made In Dubai Cologne---it is upto you---. @Signalian

But this post of yours---not very bright---you need to learn to keep your focus when you get really really mad---.
 
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