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For SU-35s, The Indo-Russian relationship is not that cohesive as it was few years back.....The global power politics has changed many relationships which are now based on socio econimic interests.

Pakistan only has to show "Cash" and Russians would fly in for deal ..... J-15 should be our alternate buying option.
 

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Hi,

That is a very " cheap" comment---. Pakistani defense acquisitions have suffered terribly over the years because of these cheap comments by pakistanis who think " cash " is everything---.
Sir,
You’re quite unpredictable and i like that, unique trait.
Tell me, given a situation where our acquisition department is 100% pursuing SU-35 seriously, and have cash, would they give us ?
 

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Hi,

That is a very " cheap" comment---. Pakistani defense acquisitions have suffered terribly over the years because of these cheap comments by pakistanis who think " cash " is everything---.
Ignored ....
 

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Sir,
You’re quite unpredictable and i like that, unique trait.
Tell me, given a situation where our acquisition department is 100% pursuing SU-35 seriously, and have cash, would they give us ?
hi

it is never about cash. It is always about building the relationship which the pakistanis are terrible at.

if you have built that resource with the russians, yes they will sell.

if they dont like what they see, they wont.

pakistanis should have learnt by now that their cash means nothing tthe world.

the world smashed it back on pakistans face a few years ago.
 

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Ya habibi @Khafee , today Chairman EU Military committee Gen. Claudio Graziano met COAS, VCAS and CNS. Should i use this react (:-) Or this :( ? Why do i still feel that we might still TRY out possiblities of EFT ?
If PIA buys Airbus A350 from EU consortium EF will be very likely on cards beacuse PIA looking to add 20 planes in 4 yrs its a big order along EF would be great that's why IK is going France.
 

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as discussion involves Russia-Pak relations and SU-35, does this do something in that direction too:


Pakistan settles Soviet-era trade dispute with Russia


ISLAMABAD: Islamabad has finally decided to sign a deal with Moscow to settle a 39-year old exporters’ claims case pending since the disintegration of the Soviet Union, paving the way for Russia to invest over $8 billion in Pakistan.
The Pakistani government has authorised its ambassador to Russia to sign the deal. Under the agreement, the Pakistani government will return $93.5 million to Russia within 90 days of the signing and clear pending exporters’ claims to the tune of $23.8 million as per the settlement agreements reached on October 6, 2016 and December 27, 2017.
The efforts to sign the deal with Russia were kicked off by the previous government of the PML-N government and the incumbent regime has decided to execute it.

Moscow has conveyed to Islamabad that it would invest $8 billion in Pakistan’s energy sector and the Pakistan Steel Mills. But according to Russian law, it cannot invest in countries with which it has disputes.
The deal will enable Russia to invest in different sectors in Pakistan, officials told The Express Tribune.
According to the commerce division, in the 1980s the then USSR and its companies used to buy textile and other material from Pakistani companies. To ensure the smooth functioning of the barter trade, former USSR opened two bank accounts in the National Bank of Pakistan (NBP).
The funds in these accounts were deposited by the Economic Affairs Division (EAD) through the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP). Upon the disintegration of the Soviet Union, some exporters remained unpaid. In addition, there were also claims by Pakistani companies for unshipped goods as they had paid sea freight charges.
As the dispute prolonged, some Pakistani companies acquired stay orders from the Sindh High Court (SHC) restraining the NBP from transferring funds of the Russian banks held in its accounts since 1996, which amount to $104.93 million.
Many attempts were made in the past to resolve the dispute but they remained unsuccessful. The failure to timely resolve the dispute adversely affected relations between the two countries. An early amicable settlement between the two countries will thus pave the way for enhanced bilateral political, economic and diplomatic relations.
During the 3rd Pakistan-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission meeting held in Moscow from November 28 to 30 in 2015, both sides initiated an agreement between the two governments wherein Islamabad agreed to return $93.5 million within 90 days of the signing of the agreement.
Similarly, a committee headed by the then chairman of the Board of Investment held a meeting with the exporters and negotiated a settlement agreement on October 6, 2016.
However, despite the signing of the settlement agreement, the Pakistani companies did not withdraw their cases from the court and the settlement could not be implemented. In order to break the impasse, another meeting was held at the commerce division on October 27, 2017 which was attended by all stakeholders.
A new settlement agreement was reached between the government and three of the five claimants namely Tabani Group, Mercury Group and ABS Group.
Under this agreement, an amount of $19.38 million was to be distributed among the three exporters. However, the other two claimants, Fateh Industries/ Fateh Sports and Fateh Jeans, did not sign the settlement agreement and their suits remained pending in the SHC.
The commerce division then sought the help of the attorney general for Pakistan, who was subsequently able to persuade the two claimants to withdraw their cases by reaching an out-of-court settlement in line with the agreement reached on October 6, 2016.
The high court in its decision on October 4, 2019 allowed an application for the passing of a compromise decree as the parties had reached a settlement agreement outside the court.
This SHC also dismissed the case declaring it “withdrawn unconditionally” with the pending applications. Fateh Jeans was also persuaded but it did not agree to withdraw its cases.
Their cases have already been dismissed by SHC and no appeal has been filed so far by the company.
Therefore, the money in the two NBP accounts of Russia can be disbursed to settle the claims as per the agreements.
The amount maintained in the two accounts is sufficient pay off $93.5 million to Russia as well as clear the pending claims of exporters to the tune of $23.8 million.


 

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as discussion involves Russia-Pak relations and SU-35, does this do something in that direction too:


Pakistan settles Soviet-era trade dispute with Russia


ISLAMABAD: Islamabad has finally decided to sign a deal with Moscow to settle a 39-year old exporters’ claims case pending since the disintegration of the Soviet Union, paving the way for Russia to invest over $8 billion in Pakistan.
The Pakistani government has authorised its ambassador to Russia to sign the deal. Under the agreement, the Pakistani government will return $93.5 million to Russia within 90 days of the signing and clear pending exporters’ claims to the tune of $23.8 million as per the settlement agreements reached on October 6, 2016 and December 27, 2017.
The efforts to sign the deal with Russia were kicked off by the previous government of the PML-N government and the incumbent regime has decided to execute it.

Moscow has conveyed to Islamabad that it would invest $8 billion in Pakistan’s energy sector and the Pakistan Steel Mills. But according to Russian law, it cannot invest in countries with which it has disputes.
The deal will enable Russia to invest in different sectors in Pakistan, officials told The Express Tribune.
According to the commerce division, in the 1980s the then USSR and its companies used to buy textile and other material from Pakistani companies. To ensure the smooth functioning of the barter trade, former USSR opened two bank accounts in the National Bank of Pakistan (NBP).
The funds in these accounts were deposited by the Economic Affairs Division (EAD) through the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP). Upon the disintegration of the Soviet Union, some exporters remained unpaid. In addition, there were also claims by Pakistani companies for unshipped goods as they had paid sea freight charges.
As the dispute prolonged, some Pakistani companies acquired stay orders from the Sindh High Court (SHC) restraining the NBP from transferring funds of the Russian banks held in its accounts since 1996, which amount to $104.93 million.
Many attempts were made in the past to resolve the dispute but they remained unsuccessful. The failure to timely resolve the dispute adversely affected relations between the two countries. An early amicable settlement between the two countries will thus pave the way for enhanced bilateral political, economic and diplomatic relations.
During the 3rd Pakistan-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission meeting held in Moscow from November 28 to 30 in 2015, both sides initiated an agreement between the two governments wherein Islamabad agreed to return $93.5 million within 90 days of the signing of the agreement.
Similarly, a committee headed by the then chairman of the Board of Investment held a meeting with the exporters and negotiated a settlement agreement on October 6, 2016.
However, despite the signing of the settlement agreement, the Pakistani companies did not withdraw their cases from the court and the settlement could not be implemented. In order to break the impasse, another meeting was held at the commerce division on October 27, 2017 which was attended by all stakeholders.
A new settlement agreement was reached between the government and three of the five claimants namely Tabani Group, Mercury Group and ABS Group.
Under this agreement, an amount of $19.38 million was to be distributed among the three exporters. However, the other two claimants, Fateh Industries/ Fateh Sports and Fateh Jeans, did not sign the settlement agreement and their suits remained pending in the SHC.
The commerce division then sought the help of the attorney general for Pakistan, who was subsequently able to persuade the two claimants to withdraw their cases by reaching an out-of-court settlement in line with the agreement reached on October 6, 2016.
The high court in its decision on October 4, 2019 allowed an application for the passing of a compromise decree as the parties had reached a settlement agreement outside the court.
This SHC also dismissed the case declaring it “withdrawn unconditionally” with the pending applications. Fateh Jeans was also persuaded but it did not agree to withdraw its cases.
Their cases have already been dismissed by SHC and no appeal has been filed so far by the company.
Therefore, the money in the two NBP accounts of Russia can be disbursed to settle the claims as per the agreements.
The amount maintained in the two accounts is sufficient pay off $93.5 million to Russia as well as clear the pending claims of exporters to the tune of $23.8 million.


This is a big news for economy and trade
 

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Ya habibi @Khafee , today Chairman EU Military committee Gen. Claudio Graziano met COAS, VCAS and CNS. Should i use this react (:-) Or this :( ? Why do i still feel that we might still TRY out possiblities of EFT ?
If PIA buys Airbus A350 from EU consortium EF will be very likely on cards beacuse PIA looking to add 20 planes in 4 yrs its a big order along EF would be great that's why IK is going France.
@Khafee Sir ?
 

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as discussion involves Russia-Pak relations and SU-35, does this do something in that direction too:


Pakistan settles Soviet-era trade dispute with Russia


ISLAMABAD: Islamabad has finally decided to sign a deal with Moscow to settle a 39-year old exporters’ claims case pending since the disintegration of the Soviet Union, paving the way for Russia to invest over $8 billion in Pakistan.
The Pakistani government has authorised its ambassador to Russia to sign the deal. Under the agreement, the Pakistani government will return $93.5 million to Russia within 90 days of the signing and clear pending exporters’ claims to the tune of $23.8 million as per the settlement agreements reached on October 6, 2016 and December 27, 2017.
The efforts to sign the deal with Russia were kicked off by the previous government of the PML-N government and the incumbent regime has decided to execute it.

Moscow has conveyed to Islamabad that it would invest $8 billion in Pakistan’s energy sector and the Pakistan Steel Mills. But according to Russian law, it cannot invest in countries with which it has disputes.
The deal will enable Russia to invest in different sectors in Pakistan, officials told The Express Tribune.
According to the commerce division, in the 1980s the then USSR and its companies used to buy textile and other material from Pakistani companies. To ensure the smooth functioning of the barter trade, former USSR opened two bank accounts in the National Bank of Pakistan (NBP).
The funds in these accounts were deposited by the Economic Affairs Division (EAD) through the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP). Upon the disintegration of the Soviet Union, some exporters remained unpaid. In addition, there were also claims by Pakistani companies for unshipped goods as they had paid sea freight charges.
As the dispute prolonged, some Pakistani companies acquired stay orders from the Sindh High Court (SHC) restraining the NBP from transferring funds of the Russian banks held in its accounts since 1996, which amount to $104.93 million.
Many attempts were made in the past to resolve the dispute but they remained unsuccessful. The failure to timely resolve the dispute adversely affected relations between the two countries. An early amicable settlement between the two countries will thus pave the way for enhanced bilateral political, economic and diplomatic relations.
During the 3rd Pakistan-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission meeting held in Moscow from November 28 to 30 in 2015, both sides initiated an agreement between the two governments wherein Islamabad agreed to return $93.5 million within 90 days of the signing of the agreement.
Similarly, a committee headed by the then chairman of the Board of Investment held a meeting with the exporters and negotiated a settlement agreement on October 6, 2016.
However, despite the signing of the settlement agreement, the Pakistani companies did not withdraw their cases from the court and the settlement could not be implemented. In order to break the impasse, another meeting was held at the commerce division on October 27, 2017 which was attended by all stakeholders.
A new settlement agreement was reached between the government and three of the five claimants namely Tabani Group, Mercury Group and ABS Group.
Under this agreement, an amount of $19.38 million was to be distributed among the three exporters. However, the other two claimants, Fateh Industries/ Fateh Sports and Fateh Jeans, did not sign the settlement agreement and their suits remained pending in the SHC.
The commerce division then sought the help of the attorney general for Pakistan, who was subsequently able to persuade the two claimants to withdraw their cases by reaching an out-of-court settlement in line with the agreement reached on October 6, 2016.
The high court in its decision on October 4, 2019 allowed an application for the passing of a compromise decree as the parties had reached a settlement agreement outside the court.
This SHC also dismissed the case declaring it “withdrawn unconditionally” with the pending applications. Fateh Jeans was also persuaded but it did not agree to withdraw its cases.
Their cases have already been dismissed by SHC and no appeal has been filed so far by the company.
Therefore, the money in the two NBP accounts of Russia can be disbursed to settle the claims as per the agreements.
The amount maintained in the two accounts is sufficient pay off $93.5 million to Russia as well as clear the pending claims of exporters to the tune of $23.8 million.


Khafee stated that the SU deal is dead and it was only used as a leverage for the EFT deal, but since turkey killed our EFT deal the SU is dead too. You can go back in and find that post where he says that.
 

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Khafee stated that the SU deal is dead and it was only used as a leverage for the EFT deal, but since turkey killed our EFT deal the SU is dead too. You can go back in and find that post where he says that.
He did say that. But, (not implying my thoughts to be real case) many things are indicating something is going on for EFTs. Atleast 3 news along with the backing claim earlier from Sir Khafee when PAF had EFT on table, suggests PAF prevailing interest for EFTs which keep on getting on table and falling again and round & round in a cycle. I can only WISH. T3 is a beast. We can have very good EW systems and BVR capabilities until & unless china really has something far superior to offer as a package of J-15. I sometimes get a feeling that China doesn’t obey MTCR and that PL-21 under-development is something far better than Meteor.

Secondly, EFT will give us access to EJ-200 which according to officials, Thunders can be optimized to host EJ-200 as well as per export requirements. It can even be helpful for AZM but so are chinese engines... Everything can be an option if we plan out correctly keeping future in mind.
 

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Khafee has left this forum and created another one ....like PDFœ∑¥
 

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Khafee stated that the SU deal is dead and it was only used as a leverage for the EFT deal, but since turkey killed our EFT deal the SU is dead too. You can go back in and find that post where he says that.
very true, but who does not like to play when more space is available hence outcome is even better.
 

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Khafee has left this forum and created another one ....like PDFœ∑¥
Nope. Just busy. Why would he create a “derh inch ki masjid”?
 

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