Saudi Arabia, Turkey Discussing Unlikely Alliance To Oust Syria's Assad

[Rakan.SA]

They already lifted the ban and are selling missile defense systems to Iran and China. So, yeah, your right... they are arming our enemies.

putin is acting like a teenage brat!

 

[Falcon29]

GCC official tells Arab media following operation in Yemen, Qatar/Saudi/Turkey will 'decide fate of Assad'.

I think it's time, there's nothing to lose. Even if it leads to small regional war, they will be capable of handling it. Russia will not intervene in my opinion. It has nothing to gain out of Arab world. Arabs need experience too, and in worst case scenario they make reliigois calls and draft men if necassary.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

Russia won't do a thing for Syria... it's out of the equation.

Problem is:

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2-) Syria has a number of SCUD-C missiles which is capable of both targeting Ankara and Riyadh.

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The ‘MIM-104 Patriot PAC-3 missile’ (KSA & Turkey - NATO -) will intercept all.



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[T-123456]

The ‘MIM-104 Patriot PAC-3 missile’ (KSA & Turkey - NATO -) will intercept all.



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Not good enough,dont trust them.

 

[T-123456]

putin is acting like a teenage brat!

Think about it,Putin has no other choice,its all in Russia's interest.
Btw,do you honsetly think they havent sold anything to Iran yet?

 

[Falcon29]

Turkey shouldn't deploy ground troops, it will be bad for getting support at home. Turkey should assist in air strikes since it would do better job in penetrating air defense. If NATO jams the defenses/radars this would make it simpler task. However, NATO standing behind operation could cause panic in Russia and make them react militarily. Take Iran out of equation, Iran is no position to intervene and won't do so. Air strikes will allow rebels to close in rather quickly. Problems are:

1. Aftermath
2. Securing international support
3. Plan B if regional war erupts as a result

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So if the planners expect a success with no intervention from Russia, it would mean the big worry is how to secure Syria afterwards. You dint want infighting.

If Russia gets involved, then Iran will try to harm Saudi Arabia while Russia makes other moves. It can easily escalate out of control. Buts that's if leaders are willing to take major risks. Us average people play around with idea of world war too much. It won't happen unless NATO has plan to target Russia afterwards. If it does happen expect a 7 year war with Russia being defeated. Then major powers in world will be Sunni Muslims and West. And expect them to clash too. That's worse case scenario if religious war breaks out afterwards.

 

[Rakan.SA]

Russians are way smarter than the iranians. they have interests in the region and saudi can grantee to protect their interests. its not a problem. and russia accepts such policy and political game. unlike the iranians.
saudi had a lot of meetings with the russians so they dont block the UN resolution. saudi minister of defense met the russian ambassador in saudi many times.
everyone's interest in the region including russias interest can be saved and protected in the future.
bashar al-asad time is over. he needs to be gone and this coalition in yemen + turkey should conduct air strikes and ground support only. plus give the FSA advanced weapons.
things can end in syria in no time

 

[KimberlyD]

putin is acting like a teenage brat!

He's doing it to gain support from both Saudi Arabia and China. He truly believes that Russia is the supreme country and he has started another cold war. He needs their support if he decides to make the cold war into a hot one. He's already pushing for one. Just read this article and see his actions of late. He wants to go to war.

The new Cold War: Putin issues chilling new threat as Nato chief says tensions with Russia could end in 'all out conflict'

 

[Sinan]

1st its good to have you here.
2nd it dosnt need to be full scale war. we can do air attacks while the ppl in the ground do the rest and take control.
as for the their missiles i think we have enough advanced power to destroy them all.
specially saudi, turki and UAE
the storm shadow missile would be very useful. they will do the job of blinding them

Mate, Turkey itself can establish no-fly zone over Syria....but the point is we won't stay unscratched.

The ‘MIM-104 Patriot PAC-3 missile’ (KSA & Turkey - NATO -) will intercept all.

Mate, Saddam managed to landed a number of Scuds to Israel despite being protected by Patriots.

Patriots have low success rate over Ballistic Missiles.

 

[UAE]

Mate, Turkey itself can establish no-fly zone over Syria....but the point is we won't stay unscratched.


Mate, Saddam managed to landed a number of Scuds to Israel despite being protected by Patriots.

Patriots have low success rate over Ballistic Missiles.

During Gulf War II, Scuds missiles fired by Saddam were all intercepted by Saudi Arabia Patriot System except one that managed to escape the hit. That was 25 years ago. Now Saudi Arabia and Gulf states missile shield are way more advanced and complex.

 

[Rakan.SA]

Mate, Turkey itself can establish no-fly zone over Syria....but the point is we won't stay unscratched.

of course i know that! but when you have the biggest 11 contries in the region working together eveyone will think 100 times before firing a bullet let alone a missile.
and i agree with @Legend we are way more advanced now! and btw what i know is that the missiles did hit the scuds but the warhead got separated and exploded on impact. i think there is a video about it on YT

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

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Mate, Saddam managed to landed a number of Scuds to Israel despite being protected by Patriots.

Patriots have low success rate over Ballistic Missiles.

It doesn’t also simple.

Otherwise ‘your government’ does not absolutely everything to get this precious technology.

Link : Patriot Missile Long-Range Air-Defence System | World Defense



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[Sinan]

It doesn’t also simple.

Otherwise ‘your government’ does not absolutely everything to get this precious technology.

Link : Patriot Missile Long-Range Air-Defence System | World Defense



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Mate, has Patriot has a high success rate over Aircraft, but not against Balistic Missiles and Cruise missiles.

Just a few days ago, A Syrian Scud landed on Turkish land although it was being protected with Patriots.
Syrian Scud Unveils Turk Vulnerabilities

 

[Sinan]

During Gulf War II, Scuds missiles fired by Saddam were all intercepted by Saudi Arabia Patriot System except one that managed to escape the hit. That was 25 years ago. Now Saudi Arabia and Gulf states missile shield are way more advanced and complex.

The Patriot missile system was first used in Israel during the Gulf War when Saddam Hussein fired Scud missiles at Israel and it had a 40% claimed success rate in shooting down incoming missiles. The Israeli government, however, with dissatisfied with the performance and has worked to update the system and will now be phasing it out for the David's Sling.

I want to bring your attention to "claimed" part...it's being said that it even got a lower succes rate.
Israel Missile Defense Systems | Jewish Virtual Library

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

Mate, has Patriot has a high success rate over Aircraft, but not against Balistic Missiles and Cruise missiles.

Just a few days ago, A Syrian Scud landed on Turkish land although it was being protected with Patriots.
Syrian Scud Unveils Turk Vulnerabilities

The Patriot anti-missile batteries is not responsible ‘personal choices - obviously its interests and not yours - of NATO’.


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Syrian Scud Unveils Turk Vulnerabilities

By Burak Ege Bekdil 4:53 p.m. EDT April 11, 2015

ANKARA, Turkey — On the morning of March 25, a Russian-made Syrian scud missile estimated to have been fired from a range of 180 kilometers exploded near the Reyhanli district in Turkey's southernmost city of Hatay, neighboring Syria.

The projectile left a 15-meter-wide crater in a stream bed, broke the windows of the surrounding houses, caused the roof of a building in the nearby military unit to collapse, damaged two military vehicles and inflicted minor injuries on five Turkish civilians.

The Syrian scud luckily did not cause any casualties on Turkish soil but left behind pressing questions: Why did the NATO Patriot systems stationed in southern Turkey not intercept the Syrian missile? How vulnerable is Turkey to tactical missile threats from its unstable neighbors to the south?

The Turkish military headquarters said that Turkish howitzers immediately retaliated and shelled unspecified Syrian targets. Military officials told Defense News the Syrian missile was probably fired from a Russian naval base in Tartus to target anti-regime rebels who have been fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's forces since 2011.

Germany, the Netherlands and the United States currently provide two Patriot batteries each, located in the provinces of Kahramanmaraş, Adana and Gaziantep.

A Feb. 20, 2013, Defense News story said the six Patriot anti-missile batteries deployed in Turkey ostensibly to protect Turkish airspace from a potential missile strike from neighboring Syria, in fact, had the primary purpose of protecting a radar that would track Iranian missile launches, instead of protecting the Turkish civilian population or military bases.

The story quoted officials and analysts as saying the mini missile defense architecture actually provided the pretext to guard a US-owned, NATO-assigned radar deployed since 2012 in Turkey in the event hostilities break out with Iran. NATO officials vehemently denied the story.

Slightly over two years later, a Turkish military official said the Syrian scud was not intercepted because it fell in an area outside the radar range of Patriot batteries in Turkey.

"Patriots cannot provide a blanket protection to vast lands in their vicinity," the official said. "They can only protect areas in their immediate vicinity."

Sitki Egeli, a missile defense expert, agrees. He said the Patriots are not designed to protect large swathes of land; wherever they are deployed, they can only protect areas in their near vicinity. And, Egeli said, the X-band NATO radar in Kurecik (in eastern Turkey) is designed not to intercept a Syrian scud coming from 180 kilometers away but (probably) an Iranian ballistic missile with a range of 2,000 kilometers.

Aware of its vulnerability to such missile attacks, Turkey in 2007 designed a program to indigenously develop and produce short- and medium-altitude air defense systems. Ankara chose a partnership of military specialist Aselsan and missile maker Roketsan, both government-controlled companies.

In October 2013, Aselsan completed the test launch of its first domestically developed and manufactured low-altitude air defense missile, Hisar-A, and set off to work on Hisar-O, the medium-altitude system.

Aselsan, the prime contractor, is developing all radar, fire control, command, control and communication systems for the program while Roketsan is acting as the executive subcontractor. Ideally, the Hisar-A system, which will provide protection against all kinds of airborne targets thanks to its vertical launch capability, will enter the Turkish military inventory in 2017, but industry sources said the program faces delays due to technical snags.

When combined and made interoperable, Hisar-A and Hisar-O will destroy threats at low-medium altitude. The program involves the development and production of two types of ground systems, self-propelled armored vehicle-mounted air defense missile systems, and the missile.

Hisar-A is an air defense missile system mounted on a self-propelled armored vehicle and can be fully autonomous by means of 3D radar, electro-optic system, command, control and fire control.

Hisar-O is composed of one battalion headquarters and headquarters company and three batteries, each of which has a sufficient amount of launchers, missiles, radars, command, control and communication systems and other support equipment.


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