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The problem is not in the air defense systems of Ukraine, but in a large number of MANPADS
Hello Soldier35. There are several MANPAD Systems that may already be in Ukraine's arsenal. Two of them include:

1. The STARStreak-LMG-NG from Thales offered to the UK. It uses two, three or four either mounted or unmounted ready to fire missiles to engage multiple targets quickly. It employs TV & Thermal imaging cameras with manual or auto tracking modes for high-hit probability.
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2. The RBS 70 NG (new generation) is a man-portable very short-range air defence (VSHORAD) system offered by Saab from Sweden. It is an improved variant of the RBS 70 system, which has been acquired by 19 countries worldwide. The modular design of the new VSHORAD is compatible with the current generations of RBS 70 missiles up to the latest fourth-generation missile BOLIDE. The 87kg MANPADS includes a missile in a launch container, a tripod firing stand, and an NG sight. It employs the new BOLIDE all-target VSHORAD missile equipped with a laser beam rider guidance system. The missile has a speed of 686m/s and can engage fixed and rotary wing aircraft, as well as cruise missiles and UAVs at altitudes up to 5,000m and ranges exceeding 9km. It offers a high hit probability and engages targets in clutter and countermeasures environments. The combined shaped-charge and pre-fragmented warhead carried by the missile further enables the system to defeat aerial and ground targets protected with armour.
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The Russian army takes care of the infrastructure, people and equipment, mainly attacks are carried out with rockets, artillery and rocket launchers on the positions of the Ukrainian army. I don’t know about drones, but Russia’s electronic warfare has long been known to be effective
Yes, the Russian EW capability towards drones has (is) effective. Due to ground station radio controlled drones being used by Ukraine. Satellite operated drones might be a very different issue.

As for: The problem is not in the air defense systems of Ukraine, but in a large number of MANPADS

I don't see the relevance to the no-show of the Russian AF though - a Su-25 Frogfoot or helicopter yes. But for a Mig-29, Su-27 to Su-35 with stand off missiles or guided bombs, at a ceiling above 4km and a range distance of 8km+, MANPADS (realistic effective average range is 3km due to it's optical and laser guidance systems) wouldn't pose a viable threat.
I might have missed something, but I am not aware of any F-16, F-15 or e.g. Tornado or Eurofighter having been downed in Afghanistan due to MANPADS. As for e.g. Helicopters, A-10 and Harriers (low altitude mission approach) yes.
 
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The crew of the Russian air defense system "Buk" spoke about the confrontation with the American MLRS "HIMARS" in Ukraine. The goal is difficult, but the interception of HIMARS MLRS missiles in Ukraine has ceased to be a problem, Russian air defense crews have already gained experience in combating it.

Would you have a more detailed source regarding this issue aside from youtube? - thanks
 

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Footage of the destruction by a Russian kamikaze drone of the Ukrainian control signal relay station for the Ukrainian Bayraktar TB2 UAVs.


Footage of the counter-battery fight of the Russian militia in Ukraine has been published. The artillery crew uses the Soviet 152-mm gun 2A36 "Hyacinth-B". Despite its age, and the gun was developed in 1971, it is the longest-range towed gun of the Russian armies. The firing range of the gun is from 28 to 33 km, according to some reports up to 40 km with an active-rocket projectile. The shell on the "Hyacinth" is double-acting, it was originally installed as a fragmentation, but it can be easily converted to a high-explosive action


The Ukrainian army received the first six British Stormer HVM air defense systems. So far, there is no video of the air defense system, but the first photos have already appeared. The Stormer HVM air defense system was developed in the eighties on the basis of the FV4333 Stormer armored personnel carrier and adopted by England in 1997. The air defense system has an optical-electronic target search station and does not have its own radar. The armament of the air defense system, 8 modified Starstreak MANPADS, which are guided by a laser beam.

 

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An unusual episode of the battle on the Izyum front in Ukraine, near the village of Bogorodichnoye, was caught on video. Somehow, in an incredible way, three Russian tanks and an armored personnel carrier of Ukraine ended up next to each other and did not immediately notice each other. In the video you can see how they literally ride next to each other.

 

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Yes, the Russian EW capability towards drones has (is) effective. Due to ground station radio controlled drones being used by Ukraine. Satellite operated drones might be a very different issue.

As for: The problem is not in the air defense systems of Ukraine, but in a large number of MANPADS

I don't see the relevance to the no-show of the Russian AF though - a Su-25 Frogfoot or helicopter yes. But for a Mig-29, Su-27 to Su-35 with stand off missiles or guided bombs, at a ceiling above 4km and a range distance of 8km+, MANPADS (realistic effective average range is 3km due to it's optical and laser guidance systems) wouldn't pose a viable threat.
I might have missed something, but I am not aware of any F-16, F-15 or e.g. Tornado or Eurofighter having been downed in Afghanistan due to MANPADS. As for e.g. Helicopters, A-10 and Harriers (low altitude mission approach) yes.
Ukraine still has S-300 air defense systems, but they do not work all the time
 

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Ukraine still has S-300 air defense systems, but they do not work all the time
Okay that is known,
So what reason is Moscow giving towards it's citizens, in regards to the "no show" of the worlds 2nd mightiest Air-force?
 

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The footage of the fire support groups of the Russian army aviation was shown by the Ministry of Defense. The subunits escort military columns, fly out to places of detection of sabotage groups and cover army aviation helicopters from the air. In this video, the group flew out to check the car found by drones in the forest belt.

 

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In Sevastopol, at about 6 am, an explosion thundered in the courtyard of the Headquarters of the Russian Fleet. There is no video of the incident, only a few photos so far. It is officially reported that the strike was carried out by a Ukrainian drone, and rumors are spreading online about a breakthrough by the Ukrainian army of the Russian air defense system. According to the latest reports, the drone and explosive device were improvised, a low-power explosion occurred in the courtyard of the fleet headquarters and shattered window panes in several rooms of the building. As a result of the scattering of fragments, 6 people were injured. Judging by these facts, it can be assumed that the drone was launched from the territory of the Crimea or the city of Sevastopol, and this strike is actually a local act of sabotage. Authorities have confirmed that a homemade drone was launched in Sevastopol.

 

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Okay that is known,
So what reason is Moscow giving towards it's citizens, in regards to the "no show" of the worlds 2nd mightiest Air-force?
I don’t know what version Moscow gives, but judging by the map, the army is moving forward every day, in the Donetsk region there is a record number of settlements in Ukraine
 

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I don’t know what version Moscow gives, but judging by the map, the army is moving forward every day, in the Donetsk region there is a record number of settlements in Ukraine
Yes the Russian army is still "slow motion steamrolling" across the Donetsk region - maybe due to the UAF having concentrated most of it's forces towards Kherson, but it still isn't an explanation for the "missing" Air-force.
Without effective air-force support, Russia's losses will continue to increase rapidly and I do not see a viable alternative towards the Ukraine's increasing HIMARS/MLRS effectiveness/strength. Those Russian and DLNR grunts are literally dying for no given reason in regards to air support.
 

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The first ship with Ukrainian grain left Odessa. The first cargo ship Razoni loaded with grain under the flag of Sierra Leone left the port of Odessa on Monday. It became the first ship with Ukrainian food that went to sea in accordance with the agreements reached in Istanbul. According to reports, the ship is heading to Lebanon.

 

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The Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled guns delivered earlier from Germany to the Ukrainian army are starting to break down, the German Spiegel news agency reported. Also, the Ukrainian army is already reporting this, as shown in the video. This is due to the fact that the Ukrainian military are firing from these guns literally many times more intensively than it is provided for by the technical regulations of 10 rounds per minute. One of the Ukrainian servicemen from the calculation of the Panzerhaubitze 2000 stated that the howitzer fired up to 300 rounds of ammunition per day. The guns do not withstand such operation, the loading mechanisms and barrels of German self-propelled guns wear out rapidly.

 

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Yes the Russian army is still "slow motion steamrolling" across the Donetsk region - maybe due to the UAF having concentrated most of it's forces towards Kherson, but it still isn't an explanation for the "missing" Air-force.
Without effective air-force support, Russia's losses will continue to increase rapidly and I do not see a viable alternative towards the Ukraine's increasing HIMARS/MLRS effectiveness/strength. Those Russian and DLNR grunts are literally dying for no given reason in regards to air support.
You probably don’t read what I’m writing, in the Donetsk region there is a record number of settlements in Ukraine, it makes no sense to use aviation, these settlements must be tried not to destroy, they will then pass to Russia. The Air Force flies every day, only for whom to work planes if the aviation of Ukraine is almost destroyed and it is undesirable to destroy settlements
 
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