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Was PAF being trapped to shoot down an Indian commercial airliner?

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Hi,

I asked for an actual response---do you know that answer---?

I asked about the conversation of indian aircraft pilot talking to pakistan air traffic control---.

I am not talking abut periodic electronic response---did it say anywhere in my comments---.

Pilots talk to air traffic control---.

Pilots are handed over from one traffic control over to another when passing thru one jurisdiction to the other---. That is the recording I am asking for---.
They don't have to and neither the air traffic control has to. There is no such obligation when automated systems are fitted.
The faulty programming of ADS-B system of SpiceJet was also widely reported by Indian media, so it's as authentic as it gets.
 

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I seriously believe that watching SpiceJet was not only radar based, our people might be on the ground , watching with bare eyes as well to confirm about the type. We still operate ANZA, it requires bare eyes. Why the hell would 2 F-16 even think of gettin WVR or NEZ if they didn’t have any confirmation of what type the aircraft was. There is a lot more to the story than we know
 

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I seriously believe that watching SpiceJet was not only radar based, our people might be on the ground , watching with bare eyes as well to confirm about the type. We still operate ANZA, it requires bare eyes. Why the hell would 2 F-16 even think of gettin WVR or NEZ if they didn’t have any confirmation of what type the aircraft was. There is a lot more to the story than we know
Can you view a plane by naked eyes flying at an altitude of above 30,000 feet?
 

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Can you view a plane by naked eyes flying at an altitude of above 30,000 feet?
Altitude info is not available to us yet...
 

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Hi,

Even if it is a digital signature---there has to be a record of it---.
 

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All major Pakistani airports have ADS-B which is a non vocal automatic system.
The aircraft periodically transmits it's position and identity to all ADS-B compliant receivers in the area.
That is recorded as an automated tag on the civil aviation or any other compliant Air surveillance radar.
If the ADS-B of the aircraft is programmed wrong, it will transmit wrong identity and will be tagged wrongly on air surveillance radar. No voice communication required.
How ADS-B works


ADS-B is a system in which electronic equipment onboard an aircraft automatically broadcasts the precise location of the aircraft via a digital data link.


The data can be used by other aircraft and air traffic control to show the aircraft’s position and altitude on display screens without the need for radar.

The system involves an aircraft with ADS-B determining its position using GPS. A suitable transmitter then broadcasts that position at rapid intervals, along with identity, altitude, velocity and other data. Dedicated ADS-B grounds stations receive the broadcasts and relay the information to air traffic control for precise tracking of the aircraft.

Automatic – Requires no pilot input or external interrogation.

Dependant – Depends on accurate position and velocity data from the aircraft’s navigation system (eg. GPS).

Surveillance – Provides aircraft position, altitude, velocity, and other surveillance data to facilities that require the information.

Broadcast – Information is continually broadcast for monitoring by appropriately equipped ground stations or aircraft.

ADS-B data is broadcast every half-second on a 1090MHz, digital data link.

Broadcasts may include:

  • Flight Identification (flight number callsign or call sign)
  • ICAO 24-bit Aircraft Address (globally unique airframe code)
  • Position (latitude/longitude)
  • Position integrity/accuracy (GPS horizontal protection limit)
  • Barometric and Geometric Altitudes
  • Vertical Rate (rate of climb/descent)
  • Track Angle and Ground Speed (velocity)
  • Emergency indication (when emergency code selected)
  • Special position identification (when IDENT selected)

The ability of a ground station to receive a signal depends on altitude, distance from the site and obstructing terrain. The maximum range of each ground station can exceed 250 nautical miles. In airspace immediately surrounding each ground station, surveillance coverage extends to near the surface.
 

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How ADS-B works


ADS-B is a system in which electronic equipment onboard an aircraft automatically broadcasts the precise location of the aircraft via a digital data link.


The data can be used by other aircraft and air traffic control to show the aircraft’s position and altitude on display screens without the need for radar.

The system involves an aircraft with ADS-B determining its position using GPS. A suitable transmitter then broadcasts that position at rapid intervals, along with identity, altitude, velocity and other data. Dedicated ADS-B grounds stations receive the broadcasts and relay the information to air traffic control for precise tracking of the aircraft.

Automatic – Requires no pilot input or external interrogation.

Dependant – Depends on accurate position and velocity data from the aircraft’s navigation system (eg. GPS).

Surveillance – Provides aircraft position, altitude, velocity, and other surveillance data to facilities that require the information.

Broadcast – Information is continually broadcast for monitoring by appropriately equipped ground stations or aircraft.

ADS-B data is broadcast every half-second on a 1090MHz, digital data link.

Broadcasts may include:

  • Flight Identification (flight number callsign or call sign)
  • ICAO 24-bit Aircraft Address (globally unique airframe code)
  • Position (latitude/longitude)
  • Position integrity/accuracy (GPS horizontal protection limit)
  • Barometric and Geometric Altitudes
  • Vertical Rate (rate of climb/descent)
  • Track Angle and Ground Speed (velocity)
  • Emergency indication (when emergency code selected)
  • Special position identification (when IDENT selected)

The ability of a ground station to receive a signal depends on altitude, distance from the site and obstructing terrain. The maximum range of each ground station can exceed 250 nautical miles. In airspace immediately surrounding each ground station, surveillance coverage extends to near the surface.
Welcome back habibi
 

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Flying over pakistan, all civilian indian aircraft will have to talk to the air controller.

pakistan is sort of controlled air space for indian civilian aircraft.
 

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