Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Scorpio]

Just wait a few days for them to be officially revealed. As of now <60days IA.

@Khafee sir actual question from my side was
Is J16 or J11B (excluding J11A) are available for export to any third country by Russia or not ?

 

[TsAr]

@Khafee sir actual question from my side was
Is J16 or J11B (excluding J11A) are available for export to any third country by Russia or not ?

You are asking for terms and conditions agreed between Russia and China, believe me only they would know. Secondly terms and conditions can change as time passes by so wait and see.

 

[Caprxl]

Havent they already done so? If I'm not mistaken.

Ask the Boss Well if you believe birds are coming in, then it should not be a point of discussion anyways.

In fact, even before J15 news broke, it was an open secret, a known unknown, that PAF boys have privilege of riding in the Chinese birds & am not talking about enjoying them in back seat. Enough said

Why is everyone so lazy on this forum lol? Everyone likes to talk but when it comes to opening a new thread they all run away.

Well I think you got the answer

Its not just laziness, opening a thread kind of makes me feel responsible for it. Like a baby. I'm not ready for a baby yet.

That's exactly it. You feel obligated to maintain and update it. So someone invested into the topic needs to make it.

 

[TomCat]

The angle at which radar sees the aircraft also changes how its RCS is viewed, frontal is high usually. This could mean that from sides J-15 and J-16 could have same RCS.

Other factors come in too, which could either reduce RCS (like using IRST instead of radar) or blind the enemy radar (air or ground) through onboard electronic suite.

Going by that,
Yes, J-16 is clearly the winner.

BUT !!

J-15B has been under development for quite some time now, And it has been rumoured to be nothing short of J-16, Or in other words, J-16 for an AC.

Lets see how much of a punch it packs

 

[Khafee]

I do not see that in the near future, PLAN ships would dock on Gawadar.

Last Feb to May, more than them "just docking" happened.

 

[Safri167]

Going by that,
Yes, J-16 is clearly the winner.

BUT !!

J-15B has been under development for quite some time now, And it has been rumoured to be nothing short of J-16, Or in other words, J-16 for an AC.

Lets see how much of a punch it packs

Well initially in this thread sir @Khafee stated that " j 15 k kapron m j 16 hoga"

 

[Khafee]

That being said why in the hell would I have an issue with your posts infact it's you that cant respond properly so you resorted to acting like the victim.

The fact that I pointed out, that you should read what others have said to answer your questions and you stating "they aren't worthwhile" now that's shows your intentions.

Bro, you need to calm down, and understand something. A Contract was signed, and hence why they are being procured. IF someone disagrees with this procurement, let them. PAF & PN are least bothered. There is a ceremony planned in <60days when everything will be reveled, CAS personally went to invite the PM. See attachment of pic take on 22.06.2020

There are a lot of people who do not seem to understand the change in doctrine, that's alright, overtime they will. No need to get your blood boiling, counter them with points, if not, ignore them and move on.

I have known @Signalian for quite sometime now. He is a very good person, once you get to know him. He is skeptical, right now, but all we have to do is send him to Masroor, and IA he will also do a U turn

 

[Khafee]

Well initially in this thread sir @Khafee stated that " j 15 k kapron m j 16 hoga"

I apologize I said that, because Alh it has exceeded that

 

[capricorn5192]

@Khafee If i may ask, an induction ceremony of new fighter jets... that means that a squadron strength will be present there...

 

[TomCat]

Bro, you need to calm down, and understand something. A Contract was signed, and hence why they are being procured. IF someone disagrees with this procurement, let them. PAF & PN are least bothered. There is a ceremony planned in <60days when everything will be reveled, CAS personally went to invite the PM. See attachment of pic take on 22.06.2020

There are a lot of people who do not seem to understand the change in doctrine, that's alright, overtime they will. No need to get your blood boiling, counter them with points, if not, ignore them and move on.

Is the doctrine more on the “Offensive” “Give them a tight slap even if they move” side ?

Seems like that, Or even more than that.

Given the procurementS you are hinting us, clearly PAF is realizing that a stronger AirForce is all that a country like Pakistan needs at this time. Going on a blind procurement spree is what will prove fruitful for our military and its planning, and also provide diverse options to our Planners so that they can think easily instead of being pressured to plan with limited options availAble which increases the risk factor greatly as uncertainty increases. So the more options we have in all of our spectrums, Better the planning, Higher chances of survival and victory as well as lesser risk of stalemate or defeat.

In the end, RESOURCES Matter the most.

 

[Scorpio]

Bro, you need to calm down, and understand something. A Contract was signed, and hence why they are being procured. IF someone disagrees with this procurement, let them. PAF & PN are least bothered. There is a ceremony planned in <60days when everything will be reveled, CAS personally went to invite the PM. See attachment of pic take on 22.06.2020

There are a lot of people who do not seem to understand the change in doctrine, that's alright, overtime they will. No need to get your blood boiling, counter them with points, if not, ignore them and move on.

Right @Khafee sir, one thing about strategic planning and relevant doctrine, is it change with certain variable cant be remain static

• Time factor .
• current future environment and surrounding (your neighborhood and there allies strategies).
• Mostly importantly your future goals as per modified planning and milestones associated with it.
• Financial factor

Most important factor strong PAF will be helpful to PA and PN , will very much able to cover gap between Pakistan and its enemies (gap in area of army and naval forces)

 

[Armchair]

I apologize I said that, because Alh it has exceeded that

Reminds me of a video interview I was seeing of the PAF JF-17 program incharge. The program started with trying to modify the J-7. Then building something better but with the J-7 as the benchmark. Then the benchmark changed to F-16. Then the JF-17 ended up exceeding the F-16. I think in cricket we call this reverse swing doctrine...

 

[baqai]

A lot of factors will be involved in air missions, like Awacs, support aircrafts, EW packgaes, IRST so its to early to contemplate about RCS alone at this moment. Secondly we are not sure how PAF is going to employ them.

huge RCS in my opinion also has it's advantages, it immediately draws attention away from other more important package elements which may be hidden in the radar clutter

 

[TsAr]

huge RCS in my opinion also has it's advantages, it immediately draws attention away from other more important package elements which may be hidden in the radar clutter

As i mentioned everything depends on how you strategize and deploy your assets.....airforce who will do it better will come out top on that day...

 

[Armchair]

A very long time ago, I would fly missions on a simulator video game called F-22 or something like that and one tactic the computer would use was to hide multiple planes behind the rcs of a single one.