Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Armchair]

How could they not know when you know, bro?

So much confusion lately, maybe this was their plan all along. To create confusion

We are basing our knowledge on @Khafee that is how we know. They are basing their knowledge on gup shup among PAF officers... that is how they don't know as PAF managed to restrict info within its ranks.

I feel constricted to share more analysis otherwise someone will come and start making up scarecrows and fake claims about what I said or how they felt about what I said, and I will have to spend endless time on how JFT can take on MKI or Rafale or how "I am not just like Indian propaganda after 27th" - all because they don't believe J-15s are coming and can't understand how operationally and by doctrine it helps Pakistan.

Horus where not coming until they did. AH-1Zs were not coming until they did. And when each of these show up, instead of apologizing for the insults and rude comments, these same people quietly pretend they hadn't attacked us about these. They aren't even gentleman enough to say "we were totally wrong and you were right" and "we were not only wrong but we made it personal and insulted you guys which we shouldn't have, and now we feel like a bunch of clowns". There is no gentlemanliness in them, its really unpeasant and raw.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

We are basing our knowledge on @Khafee that is how we know. They are basing their knowledge on gup shup among PAF officers... that is how they don't know as PAF managed to restrict info within its ranks.

I feel constricted to share more analysis otherwise someone will come and start making up scarecrows and fake claims about what I said or how they felt about what I said, and I will have to spend endless time on how JFT can take on MKI or Rafale or how "I am not just like Indian propaganda after 27th" - all because they don't believe J-15s are coming and can't understand how operationally and by doctrine it helps Pakistan.

Horus where not coming until they did. AH-1Zs were not coming until they did. And when each of these show up, instead of apologizing for the insults and rude comments, these same people quietly pretend they hadn't attacked us about these. They aren't even gentleman enough to say "we were totally wrong and you were right" and "we were not only wrong but we made it personal and insulted you guys which we shouldn't have, and now we feel like a bunch of clowns". There is no gentlemanliness in them, its really unpeasant and raw.

Oh ok that clears up what you said. I was a bit confused on whom you were talking about when you said they wouldn't know.

Agree to the last part.

So if they are being moved, do you believe a new base is going to be set up outside Karachi? To avoid the problems you stated before?

 

[Armchair]

Oh ok that clears up what you said. I was a bit confused on whom you were talking about when you said they wouldn't know.

Agree to the last part.

So if they are being moved, do you believe a new base is going to be set up outside Karachi? To avoid the problems you stated before?

There is a new base being setup... PAF base bholari. Inaugurated 2018

Faisal - Masroor - Bholari. three bases in relatively close proximity

 

[capricorn5192]

He (airomerix) categorically denied any talk about J-15 but may be this news is kept secret from among the top ranks in PAF also but i was thinking if we are getting J-15s then the support/technical/maintenance staff may also have been familiarized/trained, how come there is no news from them? My two cents

 

[Safri167]

There is a new base being setup... PAF base bholari. Inaugurated 2018

Faisal - Masroor - Bholari. three bases in relatively close proximity

Bholari accommodates F16, so J15s won't station there, rit?

 

[Counter-Errorist]

He (airomerix) categorically denied any talk about J-15 but may be this news is kept secret from among the top ranks in PAF also but i was thinking if we are getting J-15s then the support/technical/maintenance staff may also have been familiarized/trained, how come there is no news from them? My two cents

Because they get severely reprimanded at best, and court-martialed at worst for leaking information.

 

[Sayad]

On that particular forum no one even ready to discuss it.... All they say fake fake fake....

 

[baqai]

that's the best part on being on both forums, you get to hear both side of story and than you are free to makeup your mind what to believe in

 

[Hawkeye]

may be this news is kept secret from among the top ranks in PAF

I don't think that this is possible. Secondly khafee has said that everyone above one star knows about this deal. Personally I find it hard to believe that a procurement this big can be hide from media and literally no one knows about it except of this forum

On that particular forum no one even ready to discuss it.... All they say fake fake fake....

Yr unki umidein itni dafa totti hain ke ab kisi chez per yakeen hi nahi karte jab tak apni ankhoo se na dekh lein

 

[Zulu]

Aqalmandi ki uss ny as he is part of organisation more severe rules applied on him (jaan tu retirement ky baad bhi nahi bachti).Last year 2 ko sahi bamboo huwaa thaa social media par kuch norm info leak karny par .Many times civilian's curiosity put careers on risk

Because they get severely reprimanded at best, and court-martialed at worst for leaking information.

 

[Sayad]

that's the best part on being on both forums, you get to hear both side of story and than you are free to makeup your mind what to believe in

On which side you are....? ?

 

[Safri167]

Aqalmandi ki uss ny as he is part of organisation more severe rules applied on him (jaan tu retirement ky baad bhi nahi bachti).Last year 2 ko sahi bamboo huwaa thaa social media par kuch norm info leak karny par .Many times civilian's curiosity put careers on risk

We know that Rafales are coming next month, why we keep everything secret?

 

[Zulu]

Bcoz we are not endians our style is different .Same observation by our dearest friend Christine Fair about both countries ""Indian start to create so much noise before inducting any planned weapon system and Pakistani silently start working to counter it so when they make it operational,Pakistan already place counter system against it """ and i find its more reasonable approach by Pakistan armed forces esp giving our situations

We know that Rafales are coming next month, why we keep everything secret?

 

[baqai]

On which side you are....? ?

my mind says it's a long shot but with Chinese you can expect the unexpected because this is something not for us but for their own global aims, my heart says HELL YES

 

[Signalian]

Hi Signalian,
Perhaps that is your perception but far from how I feel about it or have stated. If you read the post you quoted, I've stated " About the Rafale, it is a potent weapon but not a wunder weapon. The JF-17 is, from an avionics point of view, on par in the Block 3 format"

Now I have to defend not my words but how others feel about my words despite making clear statements that say the opposite...

I think you are a very knowledgeable poster about army related topics, but when it comes to navy or air force, whether about the purpose of destroyers as solely being for escorting Aircraft carriers, or STOVL aircraft as a requirement for Pakistan, or your understanding of SLOCs, I'm afraid you fall short on those accounts.

Okay, I will try to write something about how the jazba and patriotic fervour, as well as greater training and superior professionalism will grant Pakistan armed forces the victory against India, no matter what weapons they have and how much they are outnumbered. I don't mean that sarcastically, I'll try to read up about it and see if I can write something.

Perhaps then you will have better arguments rather than equating what I write with Indian propaganda after 27th Feb, 2019.

I said about your posts regarding J-15. Not about Rafale Vs JF-17 which is a general perception on the internet forums and videos.

My experience is with Army and Air Force, but there is nothing stopping me to go in depth regarding Navy. There was a F-22P project outsourced to Contractors/Companies in 2009/10, i couldn't take part in it as i was not in Pakistan. My field is also now changing from ground communications to aeronautical communications, so bear with me as i will talk more and more about aircrafts, drones, gunships etc as time goes on.

As for knowledge, i think i fair alright based on what i have talked with concerned military officials in their branches. The officers in uniform have different perceptions of defending SLOCs or utilisation of Destroyers in PN or STOVL aircraft for PAF, some of which i have outlined here. In any case, i learn something new everyday which is why i am present on internet forums.

I am the last person who would talk about momin taking on 10 infidels or JAZBA or patriotism. Discipline and a clear chain of command with concise orders for follow through - YES. I think you have failed to grasp my point that PAF and PN have the competence to defend SLOC and stand against IN might with the currently given resources. Out numbered YES, Out Gunned NO. There is nothing about Jazba or patriotism in this. There is however training on given weapons and the ability to use those weapons with lethal potency against the adversary. The basic point is that for every weapon that Indian Military puts forth, Pakistani Military has a solid reply. J-15 may come, it may not come, even then PA, PAF and PN have the weapons and troops to fight the war in best possible manner. My last post to you was signifying the same point that after losing the skirmish, IAF pinned its hopes on Rafale in media, the same way you were listing your replies why J-15 is necessary as if current inventory of PAF and PN was not enough in your POV. In the eyes of military officials, current inventory is more than enough to give a bloody nose to any Indian misadventure.

I hope i have cleared my point thoroughly now.