Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Mastankhan]

Hi,

The F22's maybe hangar queens---but the usaf only needs them for the first 3 to 4 days of a major combat persay.

By that time---they would have wiped off the enemy air force---.

Maybe in 25-30 years from now---if our economy is better we might also have air conditioned hangars for our JF17's---

 

[Tunamelt]

The part where you are asking others to ...

Some guys don't make sense and were trolling when I was being serious, That was for the trolls and non other's.

 

[Scorpio]

Hi,

Absolute NO---.

First they need to know and understand what the 5th gen is about---. Once they have the ability to understand procure utilize---then they may start to think of the 5.5 or the 6th gen---.

You have to understand this---they onl;y let us know what they want to---. So how can you compete and beat them when there is no open knowledge about the 5th gen aircraft---.

We are still living on the gossip market---.

The 4th and 4.5 gen are open secret--the F16's and f15's---and yet there is no aircraft in the world that can compete with them today---.

Thanks sir for your valuable reply and true expert opinion@Mastankhan

IMO i just shared idea that PAF give hint of heavy leasar weapon, so they might minus few expensive 5th gen feature and add one and two feature from next gen list, creating there own combo considering cost and requirements.

otherwise local production of J31 or mini J20 can serve purpose but PAF want there own set of features, so they have allocated enough time for it. (Of course will taking basic technology stack from china and will add there own with help of _ _)

5th generation jet have some mojor issues along with to much high flyaway cast vs effectiveness, which are alien for others.

American stop production of F22 along ago , instead going totally F35 they are moving back to F15s.
Russian struggling badly with SU 57 that way given 6th generation program to Mig series as mig 41.
About Chinese jet, No body actually know what are capibility of J20 or how J31/j35 will perform in future.
Other countries specially European skipped 5th generation and moved towards 6th generation or can say 5th generation +

Coming back to PAF, as we know one of main feature of 6th gen will be leaser waapon, we will not be near to 6th generation at all, even counteries working on it not sure what thay can actually achieve its much asking for them considering feature set like
manned and unmanned switched
Over expectations from artificial intelligence .
Losely coupled Component approach to change quickly for any role with same aircarft.
Many other of wish list

 

[Armchair]

One advantage of the J-15 we are all missing out on is the ability to employ LRAAMs (Long Range AAMs). China is developing a bunch of very long range AAMs that can be used to take out enemy AWACs and tankers, and perhaps even distract and disperse Indian formations at range. These missiles are big and bulky, too big for the JF-17 to carry.. They are possible equivalents of the Russian KS-172 and R-37M missiles. Such missiles could be a major game changer for Pakistan, giving them a critical longer arm to reach out and touch India.

There are models that use a conventional motor as well as ones that use an air breathing motor. Would be an interesting weapon to field. Some Indian air fields will be under threat from the moment an aircraft takes off the runway.

 

[Armchair]

Bottom line, there are many tactics that can be applied to such a weapon, and that's an exciting thing to say the least. A long-range, two-stage missile would be especially useful at targeting strategic force multiplying assets, like airborne early warning and control aircraft, tankers, surveillance drones, and communication relay planes. For the Navy's aircraft carriers, these weapons could give the air wing back its long-range engagement capability that was lost when the AIM-54C Phoenix missile was retired, and later its host platform, the F-14 Tomcat. And striking anti-ship cruise missile carrying bombers is becoming an issue once again with the rise of China's bomber force and the awakening of the Russian Bear.

The possibility of opting for a two stage missile configuration could mean that the DoD plans on skipping an evolutionary step by not moving forward with an air breathing, throttleable ramjet design like the one used on the BMDA Meteor. A two stage system could take better advantage of climbing up into the very thin upper atmosphere where friction and drag are minimized, which would result in longer range and enhanced end-game kinematic performance of the payload weapon. A steeper trajectory and higher speed could also make defending against such an attack more troublesome for the enemy.

The U.S. hasn't led the way in long-range air-to-air missile development over the last decade, at least not publicly or with a new production missile to show for it. Various programs have come and gone over the years, and some seem to continue on to this day, although they are shrouded in secrecy (Triple Target Terminator for instance), but a clear new long-range or very long-range air-to-air missile strategy has not emerged. Meanwhile America's peer state competitors, namely China, have moved their air-to-air missile capabilities forward at an alarming rate.

Earlier this year, pictures emerged out of China showing what was clearly a very long-range air-to-air missile design being flown on a J-16 indigenous Flanker derivative. You can read all about this missile and our analysis on it here, but suffice it to say, China sees an opportunity in America's lack of a bigger arrow and the vulnerability of American strategic aircraft during long-range expeditionary operations. Russia also has its own long range missile designs equipped with anti-radiation seekers that could potentially home in on airborne early warning and control aircraft like the E-3 Sentry E-2 Hawkeye.

The Pentagon Is Quietly Developing A Next Generation Long-Range Air-To-Air Missile

The possibility of a two-stage air-to-air missile design is intriguing to say the least.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Salza]

This is why USN is buying Super Hornets and USAF is desperately buying F-15s and trying to maintain their legacy F-15 / F-16 fleet.

Very good post.

For the mentioned part, is has more to do with Trump than USAF/US Navy need. Boeing has been in crisis after 737 Max mess and Trump is helping them a bit to keep F15s /F18s sales up for them. Else both US AF and Navy would prefer F35s.

 

[Zulu]

Also their new PL-21 is also ready to be in service(as per chinese claims ) before end of this year

One advantage of the J-15 we are all missing out on is the ability to employ LRAAMs (Long Range AAMs). China is developing a bunch of very long range AAMs that can be used to take out enemy AWACs and tankers, and perhaps even distract and disperse Indian formations at range. These missiles are big and bulky, too big for the JF-17 to carry.. They are possible equivalents of the Russian KS-172 and R-37M missiles. Such missiles could be a major game changer for Pakistan, giving them a critical longer arm to reach out and touch India.

There are models that use a conventional motor as well as ones that use an air breathing motor. Would be an interesting weapon to field. Some Indian air fields will be under threat from the moment an aircraft takes off the runway.

 

[baqai]

5.5 gen CAS in my opinion would be unmanned remote controlled aircrafts, eliminate the pilot canopy, life support systems etc and reduce weight or use the space for bigger radar's or something on those lines, with advancements in comms it is no longer a far fetched idea. J-15's and the likes are perhaps the last of it's breed of beautiful aircrafts manned by pilots in cockpit.

 

[HardTalk]

Very good post.

For the mentioned part, is has more to do with Trump than USAF/US Navy need. Boeing has been in crisis after 737 Max mess and Trump is helping them a bit to keep F15s /F18s sales up for them. Else both US AF and Navy would prefer F35s.

This is not entirely true. The Marine Corps and US Navy opted for additional F18s regardless of the business environment or the incoming F35s, with some Super Hornet deliveries taking place about 2 weeks ago. I think you will see F18s on the carriers for another couple of decades alongside the F35s, but putting in more work than the latter.

 

[Mastankhan]

Thanks sir for your valuable reply and true expert opinion@Mastankhan

IMO i just shared idea that PAF give hint of heavy leasar weapon, so they might minus few expensive 5th gen feature and add one and two feature from next gen list, creating there own combo considering cost and requirements.

otherwise local production of J31 or mini J20 can serve purpose but PAF want there own set of features, so they have allocated enough time for it. (Of course will taking basic technology stack from china and will add there own with help of _ _)

5th generation jet have some mojor issues along with to much high flyaway cast vs effectiveness, which are alien for others.

American stop production of F22 along ago , instead going totally F35 they are moving back to F15s.
Russian struggling badly with SU 57 that way given 6th generation program to Mig series as mig 41.
About Chinese jet, No body actually know what are capibility of J20 or how J31/j35 will perform in future.
Other countries specially European skipped 5th generation and moved towards 6th generation or can say 5th generation +

Coming back to PAF, as we know one of main feature of 6th gen will be leaser waapon, we will not be near to 6th generation at all, even counteries working on it not sure what thay can actually achieve its much asking for them considering feature set like
manned and unmanned switched
Over expectations from artificial intelligence .
Losely coupled Component approach to change quickly for any role with same aircarft.
Many other of wish list

Hi,

The reason the F22 production is stopped is that there is nothing out there that it can fight against---.

The americans manufactured it because THEY COULD---but when they see nothing coming close to fight it and the F15 still the most superior aircraft in combat---they cut back.

 

[Scorpio]

Hi,

The reason the F22 production is stopped is that there is nothing out there that it can fight against---.

The americans manufactured it because THEY COULD---but when they see nothing coming close to fight it and the F15 still the most superior aircraft in combat---they cut back.

True sir, its explained very well here

The Problem with the F-22 Raptor That Might Not Be Fixable

It has no equal--or no one even worthy of fighting.

nationalinterest.org

 

[Crystal-Clear]

kahan takkk pohancheyyy ????

 

[Safri167]

kahan takkk pohancheyyy ????

Mera khyal hy a chuky hain.. Bta ni rahy.

 

[Wolf-PK]

Officials are waiting for PDF members' acceptance and approval for J15...and then they will announce it.....so far no sign of consideration.

on serious note, we have only few days left in July...we have to wait a little longer

 

[Mechanic]

Officials are waiting for PDF members' acceptance and approval for J15...and then they will announce it.....so far no sign of consideration.

on serious note, we have only few days left in July...we have to wait a little longer

I think we will probably see them on 14 August