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India's military lost every ounce of credibility on Feb 26th and 27th.

Seemed like they were consolidating and preparing to regain that credibility this summer. But did not foresee China getting involved. They are desperate to regain their pride; locally and globally.

India has been losing crucial friends. We, and China have succeeded in doing the inverse.

It doesn't feel like they're willing to walk away from this with a red cheek. There's a lot at stake for them. They won't be able to recover from this, at least not during Modi's term. They might end up doing something stupid because of it. Then end up severely regretting it.

Next few days will be interesting to watch...
 

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India's military lost every ounce of credibility on Feb 26th and 27th.

Seemed like they were consolidating and preparing to regain that credibility this summer. But did not foresee China getting involved. They are desperate to regain their pride; locally and globally.

India has been losing crucial friends. We, and China have succeeded in doing the inverse.

It doesn't feel like they're willing to walk away from this with a red cheek. There's a lot at stake for them. They won't be able to recover from this, at least not during Modi's term. They might end up doing something stupid because of it. Then end up severely regretting it.

Next few days will be interesting to watch...
But m doubtful of china for now. Both can claim peace any time. But if things went in our advantage. We should be ready to go in minimum take back siachin and kashmir valley.
 

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You cannot make this sh up..... they actually really believe in these excuses :




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India now says 20 troops killed in China clash

At least 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a clash with Chinese forces in Ladakh in the disputed Kashmir region, Indian officials say.
The incident follows rising tensions, and is the first deadly clash in the border area in at least 45 years.
The Indian army initially said three of its soldiers had been killed, adding that both sides suffered casualties.
But later on Tuesday, officials a number of critically injured soldiers had died of their wounds.
India's external affairs ministry accused China of breaking an agreement struck the previous week to respect the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Galwan Valley.
What have both sides said about the incident?
Early on Tuesday the Indian army said three of its soldiers, including an officer, had died in a clash in the area.
Later in the day, it released a statement saying the two sides had disengaged.
It added that "17 Indian troops who were critically injured in the line of duty" and died from their injuries, taking the "total that were killed in action to 20".
China did not confirm any casualties, but accused India in turn of crossing the border onto the Chinese side.
Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said India had crossed the border twice on Monday, "provoking and attacking Chinese personnel, resulting in serious physical confrontation between border forces on the two sides", AFP news agency reported.
 

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Looks like 20 dead from India, and claim that through radio intercepts 43 Chinese dead


Just like shooting down our F16 with the Bison (where all 4 missiles were recovered in the wreckage :p )

Popcorn time!
 

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Twenty Indian soldiers dead after clash with China along disputed border
By James Griffiths, Swati Gupta, Ben Westcott and Rob Picheta, CNN
Updated 1820 GMT (0220 HKT) June 16, 2020

At least 20 Indian soldiers have died after a "violent face-off" with Chinese troops along the countries' de facto border in the Himalayas late Monday, the Indian army has said.

The incident occurred during a "deescalation process" underway in the Galwan Valley in the disputed Aksai Chin-Ladakh area, where a large troop build-up has reportedly been taking place for weeks now on both sides of the border, before senior military commanders began talks earlier this month.

The Indian army had earlier said three soldiers had died, but added on Tuesday that a further 17 troops "who were critically injured in the line of duty at the standoff location and exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high altitude terrain have succumbed to their injuries."

The deaths are the first military casualties along the two countries' disputed border for more than 40 years.

According to the earlier Indian army statement, there was loss of life "on both sides," but it did not specify any number of Chinese casualties.
Senior military officials from both sides are currently meeting to defuse the situation, the statement added.

"India and China have been discussing through military and diplomatic channels the de-escalation of the situation in the border area in Eastern Ladakh," said India's External Affairs Ministry spokesman Anurag Srivastava on Tuesday.

He said senior commanders had "agreed on a process for such de-escalation" during a "productive meeting" on Saturday, June 6, and ground commanders had met regarding the implementation.

"While it was our expectation that this would unfold smoothly, the Chinese side departed from the consensus to respect the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Galwan Valley," he said in the statement.

"Both sides suffered casualties that could have been avoided had the agreement at the higher level been scrupulously followed by the Chinese side," he added.

"Given its responsible approach to border management, India is very clear that all its activities are always within the Indian side of the LAC. We expect the same of the Chinese side. We remain firmly convinced of the need for the maintenance of peace and tranquility in the border areas and the resolution of differences through dialogue. At the same time, we are also strongly committed to ensuring India's sovereignty and territorial integrity."

At least 20 Indian soldiers have died after a "violent face-off" with Chinese troops along the countries' de facto border in the Himalayas late Monday, the Indian army has said.

The incident occurred during a "deescalation process" underway in the Galwan Valley in the disputed Aksai Chin-Ladakh area, where a large troop build-up has reportedly been taking place for weeks now on both sides of the border, before senior military commanders began talks earlier this month.

The Indian army had earlier said three soldiers had died, but added on Tuesday that a further 17 troops "who were critically injured in the line of duty at the standoff location and exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high altitude terrain have succumbed to their injuries."

The deaths are the first military casualties along the two countries' disputed border for more than 40 years.

According to the earlier Indian army statement, there was loss of life "on both sides," but it did not specify any number of Chinese casualties.
Senior military officials from both sides are currently meeting to defuse the situation, the statement added.

"India and China have been discussing through military and diplomatic channels the de-escalation of the situation in the border area in Eastern Ladakh," said India's External Affairs Ministry spokesman Anurag Srivastava on Tuesday.

He said senior commanders had "agreed on a process for such de-escalation" during a "productive meeting" on Saturday, June 6, and ground commanders had met regarding the implementation.

"While it was our expectation that this would unfold smoothly, the Chinese side departed from the consensus to respect the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Galwan Valley," he said in the statement.

"Both sides suffered casualties that could have been avoided had the agreement at the higher level been scrupulously followed by the Chinese side," he added.

"Given its responsible approach to border management, India is very clear that all its activities are always within the Indian side of the LAC. We expect the same of the Chinese side. We remain firmly convinced of the need for the maintenance of peace and tranquility in the border areas and the resolution of differences through dialogue. At the same time, we are also strongly committed to ensuring India's sovereignty and territorial integrity."

At least 20 Indian soldiers have died after a "violent face-off" with Chinese troops along the countries' de facto border in the Himalayas late Monday, the Indian army has said.

The incident occurred during a "deescalation process" underway in the Galwan Valley in the disputed Aksai Chin-Ladakh area, where a large troop build-up has reportedly been taking place for weeks now on both sides of the border, before senior military commanders began talks earlier this month.

The Indian army had earlier said three soldiers had died, but added on Tuesday that a further 17 troops "who were critically injured in the line of duty at the standoff location and exposed to sub-zero temperatures in the high altitude terrain have succumbed to their injuries."

The deaths are the first military casualties along the two countries' disputed border for more than 40 years.

According to the earlier Indian army statement, there was loss of life "on both sides," but it did not specify any number of Chinese casualties.
Senior military officials from both sides are currently meeting to defuse the situation, the statement added.

"India and China have been discussing through military and diplomatic channels the de-escalation of the situation in the border area in Eastern Ladakh," said India's External Affairs Ministry spokesman Anurag Srivastava on Tuesday.

He said senior commanders had "agreed on a process for such de-escalation" during a "productive meeting" on Saturday, June 6, and ground commanders had met regarding the implementation.

"While it was our expectation that this would unfold smoothly, the Chinese side departed from the consensus to respect the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Galwan Valley," he said in the statement.

"Both sides suffered casualties that could have been avoided had the agreement at the higher level been scrupulously followed by the Chinese side," he added.

"Given its responsible approach to border management, India is very clear that all its activities are always within the Indian side of the LAC. We expect the same of the Chinese side. We remain firmly convinced of the need for the maintenance of peace and tranquility in the border areas and the resolution of differences through dialogue. At the same time, we are also strongly committed to ensuring India's sovereignty and territorial integrity."
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Indian Defense Minister Rajnath Singh met with the External Affairs Minister, the Chief of Defense Staff, and the chiefs of the Army, Navy and Air Force and to review the "operational situation in Eastern Ladakh" earlier on Tuesday, the army said.

At a regular news conference Tuesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said that on Monday, "Indian troops seriously violated our consensus and twice crossed the border line for illegal activities and provoked and attacked Chinese personnel which lead to serious physical conflict between the two sides."

"China has lodged strong protest and representation with the India side, and we once again we solemnly ask the India side to follow our consensus and strictly regulate its front line troops and do not cross the line and do not stir up troubles or take unilateral moves that may complicate matters," Zhao added.

"We both agreed to resolve this issue through dialogue and consolation and make efforts for easing the situation and upholding peace and tranquility in the border area."

Zhao did not comment on whether there had been any Chinese casualties.

China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) released a statement Tuesday night calling on the Indian army to immediately stop what it described as "provocative actions" and to "resolve the issue through the correct track of dialogue and talks."

"The sovereignty of the Galwan Valley region has always belonged to China," Zhang Shuili, the spokesman of the Western Theater said in a statement on China's Ministry of Defense website. "Indian troops violated its commitment, crossed the borderline for illegal activities and deliberately launched provocative attacks."

Zhang added that the "serious physical conflict between the two sides" had "resulted in casualties."
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An Indian military banner post is seen next to a road in Ladakh in 2012. The region shares a border with both China and Pakistan.

"We solemnly ask the India side to strictly regulate its front line troops, immediately stop all infringement and provocative actions, go toward the same direction with China, and return to the correct track of dialogue and talks to resolve differences," the statement read.

Monday's deaths are the first military casualties along the disputed border for more than four decades, Indian defense experts told CNN.

"We have not had casualties on the Line of Actual Control for at least 45 years," said Happymon Jacob, an associate professor and political analyst at New Delhi's Jawaharlal Nehru University. "This is perhaps a game-changer. This is perhaps the beginning of the end of the rapport that India has enjoyed with China for 45 years."

Former Indian Chief of Army Staff, General Bikram Singh, also confirmed to CNN this is the first such deadly incident in the last 45 years.

Tensions have been growing in the Himalayas along one of the world's longest land borders since last month, with New Delhi and Beijing both accusing the other of overstepping the LAC that separates the two nuclear armed neighbors. The territory has long been disputed, erupting into numerous minor conflicts and diplomatic spats since a bloody war between the two countries in 1962.

The LAC runs between Chinese-controlled Aksai Chin and the rest of the disputed Jammu and Kashmir region.

The rough border line was the result of the India China border dispute in 1962, but neither side agrees exactly where it is or how long it is.
Aksai Chin is administered by China as part of Xinjiang, but is also claimed by the Indian government as part of Ladakh.

The reported troop build up had left many worried about the potential for a confrontation, particularly as both Chinese and Indian media have published jingoistic calls for action.

Both Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi have built public support in large part on nationalism and a promise of future greatness. This often translates into aggressive rhetoric, particularly when playing to a domestic audience.

Such an approach was evidenced in Chinese coverage of the PLA maneuvers in the Himalayas. Equally, despite Delhi's public calls for easing tensions, leading Indian government figures have struck an aggressive tone, with Home Affairs Minister Amit Shah telling a rally of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) earlier this month that "any intrusion into the the borders of India will be punished."

"Some used to say that US and Israel were the only countries which were willing and capable of avenging every drop of the blood of their soldiers," Shah said. "(Modi) has added India to that list.''

Writing for CNN this month, retired Indian general Singh said that part of the problem is that the de facto border, the LAC, is so ill defined.

"At strategic and operational levels, both militaries have exercised restraint," he said. "However, at the tactical level, face-offs occur due to differing perceptions of where the actual border is as the LAC is not delineated on the ground. While face-offs get resolved locally, those related to the building of infrastructure, such as roads and defence fortifications, invariably take longer and require a combination of military and diplomatic initiatives."

Speaking before the most recent clash, former Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao said she hoped the current crisis won't lead to an abandonment of long-standing diplomatic negotiations over the disputed territory.

"Even if tensions rise and tempers fray, they would do well to remember that they have to continue to manage their differences in a grown-up way because armed clashes and military combat can have extremely serious repercussions for the stability of the region going beyond the ambit of the purely bilateral relationship between the two countries," she said.

CNN's Manveena Suri, Vedika Sud, Shawn Deng, Sugam Pokharel, Isaac Yee and Carly Walsh contributed reporting.
 

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Wonder how Xi will deal with this



The Indian army has confirmed that three including an army officer had died in the clash that took place in Ladakh’s Galwan valley late on Monday evening. The army has also confirmed that there were casualties on both sides in the violent face-off.
The Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson, however, insisted that he was not aware of any fatalities.
Some time later, the first confirmation of casualties on the Chinese side came from Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of Global Times

“Based on what I know, Chinese side also suffered casualties in the Galwan Valley physical clash,” Hu Xijin tweeted on Tuesday afternoon. He went on to ask India not to misread China’s restraint to be a sign of weakness. “China doesn’t want to have a clash with India, but we don’t fear it,” the editor tweeted.
 

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Change of command, 7 days ago

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China puts rising star military officer in command of forces amid a border face-off with India

Minnie Chan,
South China Morning Post
Jun 10, 2020, 2:00 AM
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A group of Chinese army officers walk past a display board on the Chinese part of the Indo-Chinese border of Nathu La, some 33 miles east of Gangtok, July 5, 2006. DESHAKALYAN CHOWDHURY/AFP via Getty Images
  • The new head of China's Eastern Theatre Command, Xu Qiling, is younger than his Western Theatre Command predecessor and has experience in four of the Chinese military's five theatre commands
  • Xu takes the new job as tensions rise amid another border dispute with India and as both countries build up their troop levels, weapons, and training.
A rising star of the People's Liberation Army has been sent to oversee the ground forces of the Western Theatre Command, where tensions are rising between China and India over border disputes.

Xu Qiling, former ground force commander of the Eastern Theatre Command, swapped posts with his counterpart He Weidong in the west, overseeing border areas in the Xinjiang and Tibet autonomous regions since last month, according to a report posted on the Western Theatre Command's WeChat social media account.

"As tensions with India are escalating over border disputes, the Western Theatre Command needs a younger commander to lead frontier soldiers and officers in this current sensitive period," a military insider, who requested anonymity, told the South China Morning Post.

"Xu is 57 years old, five years younger than his predecessor, He. The working environment in the Western high altitude is very tough and even young people age prematurely there."

The insider said that after working for four years in the Tibetan Plateau, 63-year-old He's new position in the Eastern Theatre Command was a more comfortable job before his formal retirement.

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Xu Qiling was chief of staff of the former 54th Army Corps, an elite PLA fighting force. CCTV

The latest tensions between China and India have further fuelled both countries' build-up of troops and weapons to assert territorial claims at their disputed border areas in the Himalayas. China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) has stepped up advanced arms testing and training at high altitude.

The PLA and its Indian counterpart held top-level military talks on Saturday to resolve a stand-off between their troops in the Galwan River valley between Ladakh in Indian-administered Kashmir and Chinese-administered Aksai Chin.

Hong Kong-based military commentator Song Zhongping said the latest border tensions meant the Western Theatre Command required someone familiar with joint operations between ground and air forces.

"All the fighting forces Beijing sends to the frontiers were trained for air-to-ground battles, which need a capable commander like Xu to lead them."
Xu was chief of staff at the former 54th Army Corps, an elite PLA fighting force known for its involvement in the crackdown on a Tibetan uprising in 1959 and the suppression of the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989.

The army corps was merged into the 83rd Army Corps in a military overhaul by President Xi Jinping in 2015. Xu was one of the young generals promoted by Xi, who also chairs the all-powerful Central Military Commission, after Xi took the helm of the PLA in late 2012.

Xu has experience at four of the PLA's five theatre commands. He was promoted to lieutenant general last year, one year after being sent to the head the ground forces in the Eastern Theatre Command, which oversees the security of Shanghai, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Anhui, Fujian and Jiangxi provinces, as well as the East China Sea.

Tensions between the PLA and its Indian counterpart have heightened since a two-month military stand-off in Doklam — known as Donglang in Mandarin — in the summer of 2017. Doklam is claimed by China and Bhutan, an ally of India. Both Beijing and New Delhi have boosted their border defences.

"Xu's new position in the Western Theatre Command is also a new test for him," the insider said.

"If he can handle the China-India border disputes properly, he is very likely to be further promoted to grab a seat in the PLA's ground force headquarters, or even more senior, in the future."
 

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Pictures of Endian Army persons killed by PLA.
1.Colonel Santosh Babu
2.Havaldar Palani
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