F15-EX Overview, Specification, Performance

[space cadet]

Independent study funded by whom .
Per the reports, USAF was as much surprised by the acquisition as anyone else?
Did they request it?

I am not arguing the capabilities of the plane, just that the decision was not made by the USAF. This is opposite of the A-10 to be replaced by F-35 scenario. Where the AF wanted A-10s to be replaced by F-35 and someone in Congress kept making sure that the hogs kept flying
The initial 8 will cost 140 Mil each. Which obviously will come done, but by how much? would it be in the 80 Mil per unit range? F-35 is supposed to go down to the 70m range. How much less would the operational cost be?

Funded by US Government, they have different agencies that study these projects. Congress and the Air Force were both surprised, the Air Forces mantra has been for years that they will not buy any bomber of fighter that isn't stealth. People in the Pentagon decided, "You don't need expensive stealth for every mission, and most missions are accomplished without stealth" Like I said before, their main mission is "Coastal Defense" they don't need stealth for that, they need speed, fire power and range.

 

[Khafee]

The F35 is a strike aircraft, it does what it does, and it does it at a very expensive cost, was never designed to replace F15C, that was supposed to be done by F22 but they canceled the program before enough planes were built. I think it was 2yrs ago that an independent study was done of the F35 program, they found that operating costs were going to go up not down. F15C and D mainly does intercepts. It's good at it, has the long range, speed, and loads of fire power, which F35 is somewhat lacking for this job. The bean counters in Pentagon came to the conclusion it's not good to have all our eggs in one basket, as one design fault can cause an entire fleet of aircraft to be grounded, and the current F15C and D fleet has to be replaced, the upgrades that they need are too costly, better to replace them

How in the world did they arrive at this conclusion is beyond me, given that the Saudis are upgrading theirs for a very reasonable amount, which includes structural upgrades, nearly doubling the life of their a/c's.

 

[Khafee]

Independent study funded by whom .
Per the reports, USAF was as much surprised by the acquisition as anyone else?
Did they request it?

I am not arguing the capabilities of the plane, just that the decision was not made by the USAF. This is opposite of the A-10 to be replaced by F-35 scenario. Where the AF wanted A-10s to be replaced by F-35 and someone in Congress kept making sure that the hogs kept flying
The initial 8 will cost 140 Mil each. Which obviously will come done, but by how much? would it be in the 80 Mil per unit range? F-35 is supposed to go down to the 70m range. How much less would the operational cost be?

Somebody tell them, bring it down to $60m per unit, and I'll buy 80

 

[space cadet]

How in the world did they arrive at this conclusion is beyond me, given that the Saudis are upgrading theirs for a very reasonable amount, which includes structural upgrades, nearly doubling the life of their a/c's.

The Saudi's F15's I believe are newer than US's, many US F15's are already over 10,000 hrs, I think the average is about 8,600 hrs. They need all their electronics upgraded, and with all the structural upgrades, an then (can't remember the exact number) but you don't get a whole lot of extra life out of them. These planes have already ween though many overhauls, there are tired airframes.

 

[Scorpio]

In end one thing metters boeing want business thay got in terms of US and Qatri purchases and saudi upgradations ....

Thata way its call business is business and cup of tea is cup of tea..

 

[space cadet]

How in the world did they arrive at this conclusion is beyond me, given that the Saudis are upgrading theirs for a very reasonable amount, which includes structural upgrades, nearly doubling the life of their a/c's.

I looked around a bit, it seems the ones being upgraded to SA standard are S models built in the early 90's, those are great candidates for upgrade, as they should of came with the strengthened airframe of the E model.

 

[space cadet]

notice how many engines they are contracting to buy

US Air Force cancels GE Aviation sole-source for F-15EX engine, asks for competitive bids

The US Air Force is asking for engine proposals for its Boeing F-15EX programme, just a few months after it said it would grant a sole source award to GE Aviation for 480 of the company's F110 jet turbines

www.flightglobal.com

US Air Force cancels GE Aviation sole-source for F-15EX engine, asks for competitive bids

The US Air Force (USAF) is asking for engine proposals for its Boeing F-15EX programme, only a few months after saying it would grant a sole-source award to GE Aviation for 480 F110 jet turbines.

The USAF received pushback on its sole-source plan from Pratt & Whitney (P&W). That company’s F100 engine powers the service’s fleet of legacy F-15C/D and E fighters.

Source: Boeing
F-15EX rendering
The air force initially planned a sole-source acquisition of GE’s F110 because P&W’s F100 was reportedly not certified for the EX model, meaning that integration and evaluation of the engine on the fly-by-wire fighter would have slowed acquisitions.

The USAF declared it was pursuing a sole-source contract with GE in January, but formally rescinded that effort on 23 March, according to a notice posted online.

Under its new approach, the service is now asking for competitive bids to supply 461 engines for the F-15EX, according to a request for proposals posted online on 15 May. It wants deliveries to begin by June 2023 and anticipates production would run through 2030.

The F-15EX is to replace the USAF’s ageing F-15C/D fighters. In 2019, the USAF decided to buy the fourth-generation F-15EX instead of the more-sophisticated fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-35s. The service said the Boeing model will have a lower cost per flight hour, might be able to carry lengthy hypersonic missiles under its body and could be quickly adopted by squadrons due to similarities with the outgoing F-15C/D.

The twin-engined F-15EX is a modified version of the “Advanced F-15” that Boeing manufactures for Qatar and Saudi Arabia. That aircraft comes with an enhanced cockpit and sensors, and is not currently part of the USAF’s inventory.

The USAF has 239 F-15C/Ds in operation, according to Cirium fleets data. The service has talked about ordering 144 F-15EX aircraft, although the request for 461 engines may mean the scope of the programme has been enlarged. F-15C/Ds that are not replaced by the EX variant could be modernised, the USAF has reportedly said.

With the USAF planning to buy dozens of the aircraft in the coming years, Boeing is using the extended F-15EX production run to pitch the fighter to foreign nations. In February, FlightGlobal reported that the company was thinking of pitching the F-15EX for the Indian air force’s requirement for 110 fighters.

 

[Khafee]

notice how many engines they are contracting to buy

US Air Force cancels GE Aviation sole-source for F-15EX engine, asks for competitive bids

The US Air Force is asking for engine proposals for its Boeing F-15EX programme, just a few months after it said it would grant a sole source award to GE Aviation for 480 of the company's F110 jet turbines

www.flightglobal.com

US Air Force cancels GE Aviation sole-source for F-15EX engine, asks for competitive bids

The US Air Force (USAF) is asking for engine proposals for its Boeing F-15EX programme, only a few months after saying it would grant a sole-source award to GE Aviation for 480 F110 jet turbines.

The USAF received pushback on its sole-source plan from Pratt & Whitney (P&W). That company’s F100 engine powers the service’s fleet of legacy F-15C/D and E fighters.

Source: Boeing
F-15EX rendering
The air force initially planned a sole-source acquisition of GE’s F110 because P&W’s F100 was reportedly not certified for the EX model, meaning that integration and evaluation of the engine on the fly-by-wire fighter would have slowed acquisitions.

The USAF declared it was pursuing a sole-source contract with GE in January, but formally rescinded that effort on 23 March, according to a notice posted online.

Under its new approach, the service is now asking for competitive bids to supply 461 engines for the F-15EX, according to a request for proposals posted online on 15 May. It wants deliveries to begin by June 2023 and anticipates production would run through 2030.

The F-15EX is to replace the USAF’s ageing F-15C/D fighters. In 2019, the USAF decided to buy the fourth-generation F-15EX instead of the more-sophisticated fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-35s. The service said the Boeing model will have a lower cost per flight hour, might be able to carry lengthy hypersonic missiles under its body and could be quickly adopted by squadrons due to similarities with the outgoing F-15C/D.

The twin-engined F-15EX is a modified version of the “Advanced F-15” that Boeing manufactures for Qatar and Saudi Arabia. That aircraft comes with an enhanced cockpit and sensors, and is not currently part of the USAF’s inventory.

The USAF has 239 F-15C/Ds in operation, according to Cirium fleets data. The service has talked about ordering 144 F-15EX aircraft, although the request for 461 engines may mean the scope of the programme has been enlarged. F-15C/Ds that are not replaced by the EX variant could be modernised, the USAF has reportedly said.

With the USAF planning to buy dozens of the aircraft in the coming years, Boeing is using the extended F-15EX production run to pitch the fighter to foreign nations. In February, FlightGlobal reported that the company was thinking of pitching the F-15EX for the Indian air force’s requirement for 110 fighters.

480 engines = 240 a/c's!

 

[Gripen9]

480 engines = 240 a/c's!

My tax money at work

 

[Khafee]

My tax money at work

Right now its costs more than an F35. Keeping in mind that they are aiming for 240 a/c's they could come up with a figure that would be more suitable for export, others wise they will keep loosing to F16.

 

[Gripen9]

Right now its costs more than an F35. Keeping in mind that they are aiming for 240 a/c's they could come up with a figure that would be more suitable for export, others wise they will keep loosing to F16.

Boeing/GE boondoggle

 

[Scorpio]

Right now its costs more than an F35. Keeping in mind that they are aiming for 240 a/c's they could come up with a figure that would be more suitable for export, others wise they will keep loosing to F16.

To whom thay can export, as my info only qatri habe order of 36 in something 6 billion + other then usa. Any third country ?

 

[Khafee]

To whom thay can export, as my info only qatri habe order of 36 in something 6 billion + other then usa. Any third country ?

Use your imagination

 

[Scorpio]

Use your imagination

Not going to imagine pakistan, so can bee Saudis or UAE to match qatri. Or can be india as thay are doing alot public drama these days

 

[Khafee]

Not going to imagine pakistan, so can bee Saudis or UAE to match qatri. Or can be india as thay are doing alot public drama these days

Not india, KSA can't say. UAE at this price definetly no. Singapore, Korea and Japan are there as well.