Lybia asks Washington for help containing IS

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Applying something as curt as the saying "Beggars can't be choosers" does not necessarily apply here. There is always an element of compromise in cooperation, especially in military operations. Don't forget, the US also gains something from this: an ally against IS and the territories for safe deployment. We want IS gone, and were prepared to WORK WITH other nations, not take over their jobs for them completely.
 

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There are two "governments" in Libya each of which declares they are the duly elected government. Since the two governments have been fighting each other America can't supply weapons to them. The weapons would end up being used not against ISIS, but against the "government" in Tripoli. And lots of civilians would die in the process. To avoid all that, the U.S won't arm either of the two governments. If they [both governments] want help fighting ISIS then they should accept the terms — a U.S led offensive.
 

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We've rejected Israel's pleas for help, we ignored the Syrian Rebels to the point where they turned to terror groups to aid them in their fight, and we've flat out left Ukraine in the cold to be taken over by Russia. What chance did Libya ever have? We don't have a President who is a leader. We have a President who is an isolationist, who only helps when there's some sort of reward given back, and who tends to turn his back on his allies. The world does not respect President Obama and neither do Americans unfortunately. Hell, we're still calling Yemen our success model, and that nation is literally on the brink of civil war. Libya can probably do better without the US getting involved - at the very least until the 2016 election is over.
 
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We've rejected Israel's pleas for help, we ignored the Syrian Rebels to the point where they turned to terror groups to aid them in their fight, and we've flat out left Ukraine in the cold to be taken over by Russia. What chance did Libya ever have? We don't have a President who is a leader. We have a President who is an isolationist, who only helps when there's some sort of reward given back, and who tends to turn his back on his allies. The world does not respect President Obama and neither do Americans unfortunately. Hell, we're still calling Yemen our success model, and that nation is literally on the brink of civil war. Libya can probably do better without the US getting involved - at the very least until the 2016 election is over.
Most of the world DOES respect president Obama. If Americans don't respect him, how did he twice get elected president, especially with so many Republican dominated states suppressing Democratic voters? What do we do for Ukraine, Nuke Russia? We have enacted sanctions, and greatly improved our relations with most of the world by treating other nations with respect. Under the president's leadership, we have been able to convince Iran to allow every inch of their nuclear program be inspected by the IAEA. Yes, Israel wants to risk making most of the mid-East uninhabitable by bombing the Nuclear facilities of Iran. but they also gave nukes to the Afrikaners. which the united people of South Africa have dismantled. Wouldn't it be nice if Israel had a leader with the morality of Nelson Mandela? Instead they have Bibi making salutes that are reminiscent of Hitler after lying his way into re-election.
 

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Most of the world DOES respect president Obama. If Americans don't respect him, how did he twice get elected president, especially with so many Republican dominated states suppressing Democratic voters? What do we do for Ukraine, Nuke Russia? We have enacted sanctions, and greatly improved our relations with most of the world by treating other nations with respect. Under the president's leadership, we have been able to convince Iran to allow every inch of their nuclear program be inspected by the IAEA. Yes, Israel wants to risk making most of the mid-East uninhabitable by bombing the Nuclear facilities of Iran. but they also gave nukes to the Afrikaners. which the united people of South Africa have dismantled. Wouldn't it be nice if Israel had a leader with the morality of Nelson Mandela? Instead they have Bibi making salutes that are reminiscent of Hitler after lying his way into re-election.
I'm sorry....are you trying to make a joke? I think it's pretty clear that most of the world does not respect President Obama. Our allies can't get anything from him, our enemies get everything from him, and even causes that are just and should be supported never see any reaction from him. That's all foreign policy alone and we haven't even began to talk about home.

The President got elected twice because of misinformed voters - he literally misled the public with lies. Remember the War on Women? What a nonsensical joke that was - took two weeks for the media to realize it was made up. To be honest if Hurricane Katrina had not interrupted the final days of polling and the GOP convention - things probably would have been different. Romney made some missteps there that cost him big time. Remember Herman Cain's mysterious mistresses who made adulterous accusations until he dropped out - did you find it funny that they vanished after he dropped out? There's been far too much dishonesty to ignore.

In 2008 the nation was tired, and after 2 term Presidents the nation usually turns over to the next party. In 2012 we put up a weak candidate who refused to play dirty, couldn't match the Obama campaigns penchant for throwing dirt, and just didn't connect with the voters. Of course even you realize that the youth elected President Obama in 2008, they barely showed up in 2012, and the remaining voters voted his party OUT of both the Congress and Senate in 2014 (which is kind of a big deal). Furthermore we're seeing a lot of blow back and buyer remorse now from those who supported Obama. Did you know the director of the Nobel Association and the man who who nominated and pushed for President Obama was fired this year for giving the prize to President Obama? That's really amazing in and of itself - even the Nobel Prize Association is embarrassed.

Unfortunately you seem to be giving the President more credit than he is due. Iran convinced us to drop sanctions in return for a plan that required them to decrease uranium enrichment outputs, decrease the number of production facilities, and to allow UN inspectors to make inspections. Ironically this is the exact same deal, almost word for word, that we agreed to LAST TIME with Iran. It took Iran less than a week to violate every part of it and shut down the nation to UN inspections. Concerning the bill France called us cowards who gave Iran everything in return for nothing. Ironically, and the left wing seems to forget this, the Iran Deal isn't a deal - the President has no authority to make a deal like this. Ultimately it is up to the Congress to vet this deal and to decide whether it is right or wrong for America. So far it seems to be wrong.

Israel just wants to exist. Consider this. If Mexico was waging a quasi war against us and was shooting rockets into the southern states - would America react with military force? The answer is yes. While Mexico is doing this if Venezuela then made statements saying that they would wipe America off the face of the Earth with nuclear weapons - would America recognize them as a threat? The answer is again yes. So to disregard the woes of Israel is to hypocritically disregard the woes of any nation - including your own.

Now unless you can provide an actual reason for Obama being respected, which is he is not, but I'll play your scenario I think you're kind of coming off as weak in this debate. I can already tell from your posting style that you do not like Republicans. This quote proved that much: "Republican dominated states suppressing Democratic voters". We are both well aware that there are no Republican dominated states suppressing any Democratic voters...that's pure nonsense and fiction. I can tell you are one of those who cannot judge the President for who he is or his actions. I can see that by your disregard of history, this President's policies and actions, and your inability to admit that he isn't a good President. There's a certain fraction of the population on the left side who are desperate to make this President look good and will go to any length to defend him (even in cases where he is indefensible). Furthermore you haven't seemed to grasp the big picture.
 
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We've rejected Israel's pleas for help, we ignored the Syrian Rebels to the point where they turned to terror groups to aid them in their fight, and we've flat out left Ukraine in the cold to be taken over by Russia. What chance did Libya ever have? We don't have a President who is a leader. We have a President who is an isolationist, who only helps when there's some sort of reward given back, and who tends to turn his back on his allies. The world does not respect President Obama and neither do Americans unfortunately. Hell, we're still calling Yemen our success model, and that nation is literally on the brink of civil war. Libya can probably do better without the US getting involved - at the very least until the 2016 election is over.
Agreed. Obama has minimized the role of the US it used to play both politically and strategically and that might lead to an increase of the Russian influence in the world. Not sure how to put it but its either Obama foreign policy or Putin is playing it well. First it was Syria, second Ukraine and God only knows who is next. NATO missiles shield plan that supposed to circle Russia and China is in fact going in the wrong direction. If things remain the same, the Russians will knock on your door for sure. To get things done the US should give a back up to Ukraine and do something about Assad. Hit where it hurts plain and simple.
 

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Agreed. Obama has minimized the role of the US it used to play both politically and strategically and that might lead to an increase of the Russian influence in the world. Not sure how to put it but its either Obama foreign policy or Putin is playing it well. First it was Syria, second Ukraine and God only knows who is next. NATO missiles shield plan that supposed to circle Russia and China is in fact going in the wrong direction. If things remain the same, the Russians will knock on your door for sure. To get things done the US should give a back up to Ukraine and do something about Assad. Hit where it hurts plain and simple.
The main problem with Russia is that President Obama is weak. We know it. Russia knows it. Hell, even Iran knows it. No other President since the Soviet Union fell in 1993 has allowed Russia to advance. Russia has always been at a stalemate with America and both sides had become somewhat of allies (of sorts). I'm talking about Republicans and Democrats. Obama takes office in 2008 and Putin tests him several times. Come 2012 Putin isn't even listening anymore. He's not afraid of America and he knows the UK probably won't do anything either. The UN is a bloated organization that stands today for no more than a political social club amongst the world's elite. NATO will only take action if they are ultimately required and left with no other option. Putin is winning this game. Hate to say it but given the circumstances his strategy is well defined and working.
 

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