Operation Swift Retort; PAF officially discloses details of a befitting reply to IAF's violation of its air space.

[Lieutenant]

Oh yea, The thing you said all are truth and all others are propaganda right ? Come out of your dream, and think in real world.
@Lieutenant the term they use "Gangu" isn't an offence in this forum ?

@Lieutenant

I have no clue what Gangu means. Use the report button and @Khafee will look into them.

@the rest please guys keep the discussion meaningful so people like me can enjoy it.

 

[Shazam]

@Lieutenant

Thats a first, a troll calling admin on my own thread, lol.

Yes @Lieutenant , kindly inform the ignorant poster @fly2sbn that he was only put in place without any personal abuse this time, unlike his uncalled for trolling with "circus show" etc like comments.

 

[Shazam]

I have no clue what Gangu means. Use the report button and @Khafee will look into them.

@the rest please guys keep the discussion meaningful so people like me can enjoy it.

Sir, Gangus means Indians as in people from Ganga river that is one of the main rivers in India and Indians should be proud of being called by that.

 

[BATMAN]

The painful point is that the Poltiicoz are no statesmen or for that matter national politicians ... all are in race to come to power and that is it.

Most of them think that they can somehow bring the power of PakArmedFoces down to servitude of police if they ally with FacistGanguRegime.

All of them.. from religious to secular... same strategy... remember those who said they will come on GanguTanks to Lahore... and then the same one became ministers...

This the UglyTruth of PakPolitics.... Politcos can NEVER be trusted with NationalSecurity of Pakistan... for simple reason they don't understand PakNational Interests or PakNational Security...

I am not against politics... I am against Iblees ki Majlis e Shura.

And here on this forum we all wish to keep PakPolitics out as much as we can.

Where did that come from?
I wasn't discussing politics. i was mentioning the war of 27th Feb. and it's aftermaths.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

I have no clue what Gangu means. Use the report button and @Khafee will look into them.

@the rest please guys keep the discussion meaningful so people like me can enjoy it.

My friend,

Gangu is Urdu word describing thet good people from the Gangees... as is the Urdu word Hindustan or Hindu... Hence from Ganga river to Gangu i.e.. people/person from that region.

Hopefully, this clears up.

Any news on the development on terror attack on KSA oil facilities? CruiseMissile was Persian in origin. I have no doubt about it.

Today, Pak PM has talked with MBS... Pakistan stands with KSA!

Mangus

 

[BATMAN]

It was such an opportune time that we could could sink it and play unawares.

Looking at it from another angle, may be Pak Navy was weary that it could be a USN sub and probably approached the Americans for clarification instead of sinking it and since the cat was out of the bag in every sense, Pakistan decided not to force the issue in the name of its obnoxious peace gesturing.

It has to go down in history as one of the most historical goofups ever committed in a times of war.

Lets agree to believe in that Pak navy thought it's was a US sub and that's where Indians got lucky.
Case closed.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Where did that come from?
I wasn't discussing politics. i was mentioning the war of 27th Feb. and it's aftermaths.

Out of nowhere!

I just wish that we have clarity where we all stand. And we all stand with PakState/Pakistan. We are PakPositve bunch... great to have you with us here!

 

[Shazam]

Lets agree to believe in that Pak navy thought it's was a US sub and that's where Indians got lucky.
Case closed.

Lol, touché.

 

[Khafee]

Lets agree to believe in that Pak navy thought it's was a US sub and that's where Indians got lucky.
Case closed.

Indian navy is famous for spectacular screw ups, so Pak Navy must have thought why waste a torpedo, they will screw up soon enough.


Someone Left a Hatch Open and Crippled India’s $2.9 Billion Submarine

Fire damages submarine at Mumbai yard

 

[Mastankhan]

It was such an opportune time that we could could sink it and play unawares.

Looking at it from another angle, may be Pak Navy was weary that it could be a USN sub and probably approached the Americans for clarification instead of sinking it and since the cat was out of the bag in every sense, Pakistan decided not to force the issue in the name of its obnoxious peace gesturing.

It has to go down in history as one of the most historical goofups ever committed in a times of war.

Hi
I dont believe that part of it being maybe US sub.
Did israel ask questions when the sunk the american ship.
That was pure cowardice by pak military

 

[Khafee]

Did israel ask questions when the sunk the american ship.

USS Liberty incident

New Evidence Proves Israel Attacked USS Liberty With Orders to Kill 294 Americans

 

[Shazam]

Did israel ask questions when the sunk the american ship.

Hi there Sir, I read the links posted by @Khafee . It looks like the US ship was made an example to deter Egyptian Navy...Why the US played along and subjugated even after the "mistake" was identified is mind boggling ...otherwise there seems to be no other plausible explanation.

Indeed the Israelis did ask the Identity of the american ship but from their own encircling overhead aircraft's pilot, who replied "apparently American". The problem is that it was 16 minutes into the attack that the IDF had its confirmation that the ship was American which continued for another hour and twenty more minutes from the air as well as torpedo boats of IDF.

Start Quote:

Navy Admiral Thomas Moorer, who has served US as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Chief of Naval Operations, once lead an independent commission to investigate what really happened to the USS Liberty. The commission’s findings were made public in 2003. Here are a few of the shocking conclusions.

• The attack, by a U.S. ally, was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill its entire crew.
• The attack included the machine-gunning of stretcher-bearers and life rafts .
• The White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of the USS Liberty. This was the first time in naval history a rescue mission had been cancelled while an American ship was under attack.
• Surviving crew members were later threatened with court-martial, imprisonment, or worse if they talked to anyone about what had happened to them; and were “abandoned by their own government

End Quote.

It may be the SOP to check and confirm before hostile engagement since Musharraf times and start of US war in Afghanistan.

So what do we expect from Pakistan Navy but be weary of and subjugate to US Naval presence in its territorial waters. But let me be clear, this is just myself presenting another possible angle to the scenario other than the obviously critical one that we have assumed to be the case i.e. Indian Sub was detected, identified in Pakistani water and was subsequently warned and "allowed" to leave.

But the official narrative of Pakistan Navy is confusing and contradictory to say the least, the contradictions marked in black and red bold:

Pakistan Navy foils attempt by Indian submarine to enter Pakistani waters
Naveed SiddiquiUpdated March 05, 2019


The Pakistan Navy detected an Indian submarine on Monday night trying to enter Pakistani waters and successfully thwarted the attempt, the Navy's spokesperson said on Tuesday — exactly a week after India's aerial violation of the Line of Control that sent tensions soaring between the two nuclear-armed states.

"The Pakistan Navy used its specialised skills to ward off the submarine, successfully keeping it from entering Pakistani waters," a statement from the spokesperson said.

This is the second time since 2016 that the Pakistan Navy has detected an Indian submarine trying to enter Pakistani waters. Pakistan territorial waters is 12 nautical miles while its seabed territory — the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) — grew to 290,000 square kilometres in 2015. EEZ signifies an area of coastal water and seabed within a certain distance of a country's coastline that cannot be entered without permission or prior information.

Screenshot from the footage shared by Pakistan Navy shows the Indian submarine detected on Monday night.

"The submarine was detected and localised in Pakistan’s maritime zone on March 4," said a statement by the director general of Navy's public relations. "The submarine could have been easily engaged and destroyed had it not been Pakistan’s policy to exercise restraint in the face of Indian aggression and to give peace a chance to prevail.

"However, the submarine is being kept under watch along with monitoring of other Indian navy units. The detected submarine is one of the latest submarines of Indian navy," added the statement.

Learning from this incident, India should also work towards peace, the statement added.
"This great feat is a testament of the Pakistan Navy's superior skills. The Navy will keep defending Pakistan's naval border. The force has the capability to respond to any aggression."

 

[Mastankhan]

Hi there Sir, I read the links posted by @Khafee . It looks like the US ship was made an example to deter Egyptian Navy...Why the US played along and subjugated even after the "mistake" was identified is mind boggling ...otherwise there seems to be no other plausible explanation.

Indeed the Israelis did ask the Identity of the american ship but from their own encircling overhead aircraft's pilot, who replied "apparently American". The problem is that it was 16 minutes into the attack that the IDF had its confirmation that the ship was American which continued for another hour and twenty more minutes from the air as well as torpedo boats of IDF.

Start Quote:

Navy Admiral Thomas Moorer, who has served US as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Chief of Naval Operations, once lead an independent commission to investigate what really happened to the USS Liberty. The commission’s findings were made public in 2003. Here are a few of the shocking conclusions.

• The attack, by a U.S. ally, was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill its entire crew.
• The attack included the machine-gunning of stretcher-bearers and life rafts .
• The White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of the USS Liberty. This was the first time in naval history a rescue mission had been cancelled while an American ship was under attack.
• Surviving crew members were later threatened with court-martial, imprisonment, or worse if they talked to anyone about what had happened to them; and were “abandoned by their own government

End Quote.

It may be the SOP to check and confirm before hostile engagement since Musharraf times and start of US war in Afghanistan.

So what do we expect from Pakistan Navy but be weary of and subjugate to US Naval presence in its territorial waters. But let me be clear, this is just myself presenting another possible angle to the scenario other than the obviously critical one that we have assumed to be the case i.e. Indian Sub was detected, identified in Pakistani water and was subsequently warned and "allowed" to leave.

But the official narrative of Pakistan Navy is confusing and contradictory to say the least, the contradictions marked in black and red bold:

Pakistan Navy foils attempt by Indian submarine to enter Pakistani waters
Naveed SiddiquiUpdated March 05, 2019


The Pakistan Navy detected an Indian submarine on Monday night trying to enter Pakistani waters and successfully thwarted the attempt, the Navy's spokesperson said on Tuesday — exactly a week after India's aerial violation of the Line of Control that sent tensions soaring between the two nuclear-armed states.

"The Pakistan Navy used its specialised skills to ward off the submarine, successfully keeping it from entering Pakistani waters," a statement from the spokesperson said.

This is the second time since 2016 that the Pakistan Navy has detected an Indian submarine trying to enter Pakistani waters. Pakistan territorial waters is 12 nautical miles while its seabed territory — the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) — grew to 290,000 square kilometres in 2015. EEZ signifies an area of coastal water and seabed within a certain distance of a country's coastline that cannot be entered without permission or prior information.

Screenshot from the footage shared by Pakistan Navy shows the Indian submarine detected on Monday night.

"The submarine was detected and localised in Pakistan’s maritime zone on March 4," said a statement by the director general of Navy's public relations. "The submarine could have been easily engaged and destroyed had it not been Pakistan’s policy to exercise restraint in the face of Indian aggression and to give peace a chance to prevail.

"However, the submarine is being kept under watch along with monitoring of other Indian navy units. The detected submarine is one of the latest submarines of Indian navy," added the statement.

Learning from this incident, India should also work towards peace, the statement added.
"This great feat is a testament of the Pakistan Navy's superior skills. The Navy will keep defending Pakistan's naval border. The force has the capability to respond to any aggression."

It reeks of COWARDICE by Pak air force---.

 

[Mastankhan]

Indian navy is famous for spectacular screw ups, so Pak Navy must have thought why waste a torpedo, they will screw up soon enough.


Someone Left a Hatch Open and Crippled India’s $2.9 Billion Submarine

Fire damages submarine at Mumbai yard

Hi,

@Khafee---that was sabotage---there is no way that hatch could stay open on a modern sub and it sinks---it is mechanically impossible---and then to have that much damage---.

Subs just don't nose dive into the ocean right from their position of parking---they slowly glide down a slope into the water---.

Plus subs have compartments that have doors that can be shut---and they are water tight---so maybe Joe Shearer may want to comment and bring out some truth.

 

[Shazam]

It reeks of COWARDICE---.

Any aggressor, be it India or Israel or US would take it as COWARDICE indeed. Look at Iran and how the aggressive posturing and bluffing in the face of annihilation has won it years of internal peace while the rest of the region is engulfed in the fire being fueled by Iran itself.

I can only imagine what Iran will do once it acquires Nuclear weapons, lol.

Nuclear weapons reminds me of that story about a villager who bought a rifle for protection against looters but when some looters started ransacking his village, he hid his rifle as it was the most prized possession in danger of being taken away by those very thieves with rifles of their own. Enough said.