Mastankhan
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@Mangus Ortus Novem
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My very dear Pak MK,
I rather that you put all your thinking process into Strategic Framework...that we both and @Khafee have been trying to instil into the thinking process of YoungPaks.
But on tactical level I do welcome your angeling regarding fighter aircrafts... and you know... I do look at them as policy instruements... given my back ground is Finan/policy... so ....
Regarding, JF Thunder... of course, Blk4 is going to be the thing which you and I were calling JF18 i.e Thunder NG! Enlarged and all that jazz.
We need to put our thinking hats on and think more about PNS though... @Rashid Mahmood is here so he can provide the Creative Ternsion necessary to keep developing new models of thought.
We need PNS to now stop buying and stop this drama about ToT...and start producing locally... we need to build destroyers... even in they are not as capable as the next guy...but first blocks needs to emerge soon...
Sorry to bring PNS in it...but lessons from JF development.... good and bad... can be transplated in other services... We do need a Joint Defence Doctorine... pronto!
Mangus "
Hi,
I like that term---"policy instruments" for fighter aircraft and that works very well for the air force---.
But in this day and age---pak navy cannot be left behind---.
This modern battle will belong to the Pak navy---. It will be the pak navy that will make or break the stalemate that would be taking place over the land---.
I again go back to pakistan's coastline's geography in relation to india's. Our relative geographic locations of Gwadar & Pasni are a God given gift to us---.
They are located at such an angle and distance that the enemy cannot keep an eye on the aircrafts that are taking off from these points---. They cannot push their awacs closer for fear of being shot down.
Pak navy needs to get out of the mode of a ship fighting navy to being a naval air force as well---.
I do not know under whose tutelage the orange uniform fly---the Paf or the navy---nut the orange uniforms need to fly under the navy wings full time---.
They be trained by the Paf---but they will stay as AVIATORS under the control and command of the navy---at the disposal of the navy---.
The aircraft will be maintained and serviced by the air force as they are currently being done---but all operational planning will be done by the naval command---.
I still have not changed my mind about the JH7A's---. This is still the best strike platform for the naval arena---there is no other aircraft that comes even close to the operational capabilities of this strike platform---. Remember---I am not talking about missions over land---I am talking about the strike element using smart weapons from standoff distances---.
The actions of 27th feb proved that most air battles will be fought from standoff BVR distances---and missiles with a higher percentage of kill ratio at longer distances will be the king---.
So---if a SU30 with its cobra cannot survive a BVR then big deal if the JH7A may not survive the shot.
The JH7A aircraft gives a true face and strike capability to that old " Operation TROMBAY" that was conceived some 47 years ago---.
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My very dear Pak MK,
I rather that you put all your thinking process into Strategic Framework...that we both and @Khafee have been trying to instil into the thinking process of YoungPaks.
But on tactical level I do welcome your angeling regarding fighter aircrafts... and you know... I do look at them as policy instruements... given my back ground is Finan/policy... so ....
Regarding, JF Thunder... of course, Blk4 is going to be the thing which you and I were calling JF18 i.e Thunder NG! Enlarged and all that jazz.
We need to put our thinking hats on and think more about PNS though... @Rashid Mahmood is here so he can provide the Creative Ternsion necessary to keep developing new models of thought.
We need PNS to now stop buying and stop this drama about ToT...and start producing locally... we need to build destroyers... even in they are not as capable as the next guy...but first blocks needs to emerge soon...
Sorry to bring PNS in it...but lessons from JF development.... good and bad... can be transplated in other services... We do need a Joint Defence Doctorine... pronto!
Mangus "
Hi,
I like that term---"policy instruments" for fighter aircraft and that works very well for the air force---.
But in this day and age---pak navy cannot be left behind---.
This modern battle will belong to the Pak navy---. It will be the pak navy that will make or break the stalemate that would be taking place over the land---.
I again go back to pakistan's coastline's geography in relation to india's. Our relative geographic locations of Gwadar & Pasni are a God given gift to us---.
They are located at such an angle and distance that the enemy cannot keep an eye on the aircrafts that are taking off from these points---. They cannot push their awacs closer for fear of being shot down.
Pak navy needs to get out of the mode of a ship fighting navy to being a naval air force as well---.
I do not know under whose tutelage the orange uniform fly---the Paf or the navy---nut the orange uniforms need to fly under the navy wings full time---.
They be trained by the Paf---but they will stay as AVIATORS under the control and command of the navy---at the disposal of the navy---.
The aircraft will be maintained and serviced by the air force as they are currently being done---but all operational planning will be done by the naval command---.
I still have not changed my mind about the JH7A's---. This is still the best strike platform for the naval arena---there is no other aircraft that comes even close to the operational capabilities of this strike platform---. Remember---I am not talking about missions over land---I am talking about the strike element using smart weapons from standoff distances---.
The actions of 27th feb proved that most air battles will be fought from standoff BVR distances---and missiles with a higher percentage of kill ratio at longer distances will be the king---.
So---if a SU30 with its cobra cannot survive a BVR then big deal if the JH7A may not survive the shot.
The JH7A aircraft gives a true face and strike capability to that old " Operation TROMBAY" that was conceived some 47 years ago---.