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Wouldnt this be the same case for PAF fighters when S400 arrives

Somewhat, except PAF has had a defensive posture since the 1990s so battle is likely to be over Pak skies rather than Indian skies. S-400 and other SAM systems that India has / will have essentially makes Mirage strike missions very dangerous and increasingly obsolete.

In Kashmir, LRSAMs like S-400s will not have proper coverage as the mountains are highly obstructive. That is an oversimplification as mountains can also be used to create SAM traps, but the situation is less in a favor of SAMs generally than in the flat plains / deserts. So, if there is a war over Kashmir, it will be a little bit of a mixed bag.

Nevertheless, S-400s are a formidable weapon system and will negatively impact PAF. How decisive this will be is open to debate with no fixed answers.
 

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Somewhat, except PAF has had a defensive posture since the 1990s so battle is likely to be over Pak skies rather than Indian skies. S-400 and other SAM systems that India has / will have essentially makes Mirage strike missions very dangerous and increasingly obsolete.

In Kashmir, LRSAMs like S-400s will not have proper coverage as the mountains are highly obstructive. That is an oversimplification as mountains can also be used to create SAM traps, but the situation is less in a favor of SAMs generally than in the flat plains / deserts. So, if there is a war over Kashmir, it will be a little bit of a mixed bag.

Nevertheless, S-400s are a formidable weapon system and will negatively impact PAF. How decisive this will be is open to debate with no fixed answers.
One more question , So these EW planes like PAF Flacon DA-20 and now jamming pods used on FA-18 and J-15 growlers , Do these jammers jam just communication radars or these can jamm complete SAM systems if in range ??
 

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One more question , So these EW planes like PAF Flacon DA-20 and now jamming pods used on FA-18 and J-15 growlers , Do these jammers jam just communication radars or these can jamm complete SAM systems if in range ??
What is a communication radar?
 

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Lets remember Nishan-e-Haider recipient shaheed Rashid Minhas in our prayers today. He was martyred on 20 Aug 1971.
 

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Update on Pakistan: "MaxxPro MRAP"

Pakistan Ministry of Defense to soon sign a deal with US Department of State for a FMS of 40 MaxxPro MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) Dash DXM vehicles.

The MaxxPro Dash DXM has improved DXM suspension, EFP (explosively formed penetrator) protection, Frag kit 6 US protection against EFPs and IEDs.
It has a V-shaped hull to deflect blasts and enhanced ballistic protection.
It also has a remote weapon station (allowing offensive capabilities without putting occupants in danger) as well as NBC (nuclear/biological/chemical protection. The MaxxPro Dash DXM MRAP Vehicle is being bought from the US Military’s surplus stock from Afghanistan.

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Update on Pakistan: "MaxxPro MRAP"

Pakistan Ministry of Defense to soon sign a deal with US Department of State for a FMS of 40 MaxxPro MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) Dash DXM vehicles.

The MaxxPro Dash DXM has improved DXM suspension, EFP (explosively formed penetrator) protection, Frag kit 6 US protection against EFPs and IEDs.
It has a V-shaped hull to deflect blasts and enhanced ballistic protection.
It also has a remote weapon station (allowing offensive capabilities without putting occupants in danger) as well as NBC (nuclear/biological/chemical protection. The MaxxPro Dash DXM MRAP Vehicle is being bought from the US Military’s surplus stock from Afghanistan.

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I always wondered why the Hamza MRAP from the Cavalier group was not acquired. I am certainly no expert but it looks very capable and it would help to stimulate our own defense industry. Its really disappointing why our military doesnt try to work more with our private industry instead of buying from foreign vendors. I am sure there is some palm greasing going on but its just reducing funds for the military in the long run.

 

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Great photos of PNS Alamgir and JS Ariake working together conducting anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden as part of the recent CTF-151 Focused Operation #Tahaffuz
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Military exercise b/w Pakistan, Morocco concludes in Pabbi
October 23, 2021

The first-ever joint military exercise between Pakistan and Morocco has been concluded at National Counter Terrorism Center in Pabbi.
According to ISPR, during the exercise, special forces of both countries practiced in various drills including countering terrorism.

The training was aimed at sharing mutual experience in counter terrorism domain, rehearsing and adopting best practices and enhancing cooperation between the two armies.


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Pakistan resumes armor modernization as terror threat recedes

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Pakistan's armored, top-of-the-line tanks take part in a military parade in Islamabad on March 25, 2021. (Aamir Qureshi/AFP via Getty Images)

Correction: A previous version of this story misinterpreted the status of India’s T-90MS tank acquisition and the state of the country’s tank fleet. The country has received clearance to buy the T-90MS but has not yet done so.

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan’s armor modernization efforts are maturing amid a refocus toward archrival India and away from operations against the militant group TTP, otherwise known as Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan.

With India preparing for a potential order of the advanced T-90MS tank, increasing its large fleet of T-90S Bishma tanks and upgrading most T-72M1 tanks, Pakistan is countering with its own acquisition and upgrade programs for new types of vehicles and improved battlefield integration.

Though low-level acquisition continued throughout the TTP campaign, author, analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad Brian Cloughley explained that necessity demanded larger programs be cut back or frozen.

“The expansion of Taliban and other militant activity, particularly in regions along the border with Afghanistan which are inaccessible to heavy vehicles, focused the army on COIN [counterinsurgency]. It was a budgetary decision, backed by tactical pragmatism,” he said. “But it was acknowledged that as counterinsurgency wound down, so could armor programs be reinstituted.”

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Pakistani Taliban patrol their then-stronghold of Shawal on Aug. 5, 2012, in the Pakistani tribal region of South Waziristan. (Ishtiaq Mahsud/AP)

The Pakistan Army effectively defeated the TTP-led threat after first launching Operation Zarb-e-Azb (or “Cutting Blow” in English) from 2014 to flush out domestic and foreign terrorists in the ungoverned spaces along the border with Afghanistan.

The TTP and its allies had until then mainly held territory in rugged Waziristan, in the essentially self-governed Federally Administered Tribal Areas that were later absorbed into the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.

This was followed by Operation Radd-ul-Fasaad (or “Elimination of Strife”) from early 2017, a combined ongoing military-civilian effort to eliminate terrorist sleeper cells nationwide.

Fencing along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border is also largely complete, restricting the movement of remaining TTP forces.

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Pakistan Army troops patrol the fence on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border at the Big Ben hilltop post in Khyber district, Pakistan, on Aug. 3, 2021. (Anjum Naveed/AP)

The Taliban recently retook control of Afghanistan following a U.S. withdrawal from the country. The group subsequently assured Pakistan it will not allow TTP remnants to attack the country.

Though there are occasionally low-level terrorist attacks in Pakistan, the government there has felt confident enough to offer amnesty to TTP members on the condition they lay down arms and surrender.

However, Cloughley said, the Army “has not effected a ‘switch’ from counterterrorism, which as in all armies continues to be a very high priority in asset management, technology and training.”

Still, he added, “the years of emphasis have been productive, and the Army now feels its primary role — continental defense against India — can be allocated more resources than it has been able to commit for the past 20 years.”

What armor upgrades are in the works?

Some of Pakistan’s latest armor developments were revealed during a Nov. 9 visit by Army chief Gen. Qamar Javed Bajwa to state-owned armored fighting vehicles manufacturer Heavy Industries Taxila, or HIT.

Bajwa inspected the upgraded production facilities and ongoing projects, including:

  • Newly developed protection measures and remote weapon stations for main battle tanks.
  • An indigenously developed 155mm artillery gun barrel.
  • Ballistic and improvised explosive device protection for armored fighting vehicles.
  • Programs to manufacture, rebuild and upgrade armored personnel carriers and tanks.
Notably, footage of the visit shows the indigenous Viper infantry fighting vehicle and a modernized version of the Type-85APII main battle tank. At one point, a Type-85APII turret is visible with an exposed composite armor module, possibly indicating replacement with a new type.

An industry source with knowledge of HIT’s ongoing programs told Defense News on the condition of anonymity that the Viper was undergoing pilot production. The source also said Ukrainian-supplied T-80UD tanks have been equipped with a new thermal gunner’s sight and a locally developed solid-state autoloader.

The source added that the recently acquired VT-4 tank from China North Industries Group Corporation Limited — commonly referred to as NORINCO — was to form the basis of the future Al-Khalid 2, with existing subsequent Al-Khalid versions upgraded to a similar standard.

Though he was unable to provide details on the Type-85APII upgrade, Defense News understands it was upgraded along similar lines to the T-80UD.

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Pakistan Army troops sit on the top of an armored personnel carrier moving toward a besieged mosque during a military operation in Islamabad on July 10, 2007. (Aamir Qureshi/AFP via Getty Images)

HIT officials previously told Defense News that the T-80UD and Type-85APII tanks would receive upgrade after undergoing a pilot rebuild, although the Type-85APII fire and gun control systems had already received some attention, and the gunner was already equipped with a thermal sight.

The Type-85APII has also received an upgraded power pack, with some sources now referring to the platform as the Type-85UG.

Future hopes are pinned on the VT-4, with the first delivered in April 2020. It entered service around June 2021.

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A Chinese VT-4 main battle tank is on display ahead of Airshow China in Zhuhai on Nov. 7, 2018. (Wang Zhao/AFP via Getty Images)

Though derived from the Type-90II/Al-Khalid, the VT-4 features the improved gun of China’s high-end Type-99A main battle tank and therefore can fire the same rounds with greater penetrative power compared to Pakistan’s other tanks. The VT-4 also has more advanced composite and reactive armor; China’s third-generation thermal imaging systems; more advanced fire and gun control systems; and a Chinese-made powertrain.

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Richard Fisher, a senior fellow at the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said the VT-4 and related technology will deliver an element of parity between India and Pakistan.

“NORINCO’s VT-4, as a direct purchase or as the basis for the domestically produced Al-Khalid 2, would offer Pakistan a wide array of modern tank technologies competitive with the Russian T-90MS being acquired by India, from powertrain to fire control, high velocity gun, gun-launched anti-tank missiles and active protection systems,” he said.

However, he cautioned, “rough parity may be unsatisfactory for both Pakistan and India, so both likely will seek regular available upgrades or next-generation options.”


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Indian soldiers in a T-90 tank participate in an Army Day ceremony in New Delhi on Jan. 15, 2021. (Prakash Singh/AFP via Getty Images)


Unlike with the original Al-Khalid, Pakistan avoids with its VT-4 a reliance on expensive European sighting systems and the occasionally problematic supply of Ukrainian powertrains. But there is no indication that the Chinese powertrain will replace that shared by T-80UD and Al-Khalid tanks.

The Viper is based on the Saad armored personnel carrier (similar to the American Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicle), featuring additional armor protection and the unmanned Slovakian Turra 30 combat module with a 30mm gun and two anti-tank missiles. It carries a crew of three, plus nine dismounts.

Pakistan’s shift to infantry fighting vehicles comes many years after other major armies, which Cloughley said was unavoidable.

“IFVs are expensive, and their operation requires a great deal of training at all levels, which the Army, of necessity concentrating on counterinsurgency operations, did not want to commit to,” he explained. “The [Pakistan Army] has always wanted IFVs, and now sees the opportunity for a balanced introduction program, taking into account unit training.”

The Army is also sharpening its armored warfare skills, having this year held a series of large-scale exercises to improve integration among the various branches of its ground force, including infantry, mechanized forces, combat aviation, surveillance platforms, air defense and artillery.

Cloughley believes emphasis is also “being placed on maneuvers in the nuclear battlefield, and that closed-down operations are being practiced on almost all exercises.”

“HIT has always been conscious of the importance of developing [nuclear-, biological- and chemical-protected] technology, and crew comfort has received attention,” he said.

While the Army will be relieved its armor modernization program is back on track, Cloughley issued a word of warning: “While I agree that it is very important that the [Pakistan Army] continues to improve interoperability and must upgrade its armored capabilities, it must not lose sight of the COIN imperative, which is a significant aspect of its mission.”
 

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New BW20 Roller-Delayed Battle Rifle from Pakistan Ordnance Factories


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If we take an honest look at firearms these days, it is easy to see that now, in 21 century, there is significantly less diversity in weapon design compared to 50s or 60s. Everything we see now are gas-operated rifles based on AR-15, AR-18 and AK. But another major action type, roller-delayed blowback, used in G3, MP5 and other H&K rifles, seems to have faded into obscurity. Until now. Meet BW20, the new battle rifle designed by Pakistan Ordnance Factories.

Back in the day, H&K built several factories for license production of G3 and MP5 – in Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Greece, Iran, Portugal, Sweden, Colombia, and Pakistan. Some of those factories closed down, some are still making G3s and planning a total overhaul of production facilities to start license manufacturing of new designs. But in Pakistan, they went one step further. After testing the most modern and advanced battle rifles (SCAR-H, Beretta ARX 200, BREN 2 from CZ), POF engineers evaluated the results and decided to give a try to designing a modern battle rifle based on a G3 roller-delayed blowback action.

BW20 stands for “Battle Weapon, designed in 2020”. While originally engineers considered the name “battle rifle” (BR20), the abbreviation BR is already widely used in Pakistan Army, so the factory went with BW designation instead.

In the video, the rifle is tested by POF engineer Salman Ali, who initiated the development of BW20 and is the primary designer of the project. Apart from being an experienced weapons design engineer, Salman is an accomplished precision shooter which helped him to refine some components of the new rifle.

While BW20 uses roller-delayed blowback, it is not just an upgrade of the G3. At the moment, BW20 shares about 30% of spare parts with G3 in order to decrease production costs and necessary investments. From the ground up, the rifle was designed to be produced on machinery used for G3 manufacturing to use existing infrastructure. The entire rifle consists of 125 parts, while the original G3 has about 200 parts.

The version presented in the pictures is a pre-production prototype, the final version should have a bolt hold open mechanism as well as an ambidextrous magazine release and selector. The prototype has a lower receiver machined from aluminum, the production version is designed to have a polymer lower receiver.

BW20 feeds from AR10 magazines and has a proprietary trigger mechanism based on AR-15. The stock is also based on an AR15 but has a massive cheek riser. The production version will be compatible with various AR-15 stocks.

The charging handle is on the left side, an armorer can move it to the right side if necessary. The standard version of the rifle has a 16-inch barrel, carbine version features a 12-inch barrel.

Versions of this rifle in 5.56 and 7.62×39 are being developed at the moment. The 5.56 rifle will use a standard AR15 magazine, while the 7.62×39 version will be compatible with AK magazines.

POF (Pakistan Ordnance Factories) is developing this rifle both for the country’s military and international market. There are plans to develop both a designated marksman version and a semi-automatic rifle that would be available on the commercial market.

At the moment, POF-made MP5s are available on the US market, and so far it looks like nothing should stop potential civilian versions of BW20 from coming to the USA unless ATF hates the roller delay gang.

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