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On a serious note... we have an accute planning issue within Pakistna.... just doesn't seem to see the obvious.

We need to establish heli industry at all costs.... the need for civiliant choppers is going to grow as well... so a joint venture that provides a head-start is more valuable than just attack choppers....

I am rather saddened that we have not been able to reverse engineer Cobbera or Russsian choppers even in this day and age...

Simple ability to copy/reverse engineering something is a first giant step Industrialisation... but our attitude is somewhat laid back in everything.

We need chopper industry with different applications... engine is not the problem.... so many venues are there...even if the first batch is not that powerful.... at least we can create an industrial base...

Why such things are not happening is troubling ....
I mentioned this long ago, in the other world.

Leonardo has a very good relationship with Pakistan. That relationship can be leveraged to set up, initially assemblies via kits, and then slowly PAC increases its contribution. Moving from MRO to actual production, and export. At the same tiem being not limited to just military but civil operators as well.

Pakistani Armed Forces, have a requirement of at least 15 new helos every year, multiply that by 10yrs, and you have 150 helos. With Leonardo, you have a complete range, from light single engine to heavy tri-engine, They literally cover every segment.
 

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So its mean our 12 zulus which are already stored, will have these decision after Sept?
I think 15, and in the timeline I mentioned earlier.
 

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I think 15, and in the timeline I mentioned earlier.
Yes sir order was of 15, but 12 were made when usa block our CSF demand cash for them. 9 are stored on one location other 3 on other, remaining 3 never manufactured back then
 

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Yes sir order was of 15, but 12 were made when usa block our CSF demand cash for them. 9 are stored on one location other 3 on other, remaining 3 never manufactured back then
I "think" all 15 have been manufactured, and will start coming, when PA has substitutes for them |0|
 

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The C-130J-30 is a stretch version of the C-130J.

The C-130J-30 adds 15 feet to the fuselage, increasing usable space (two more pallets of equipment) in the cargo compartment.

Characteristics:

Ceiling26,000 feet (8,000 meters) with 44,500 pounds (20,227 kilograms) payload
Speed410 mph/356 ktas (Mach 0.58) at 22,000 feet (6,706 meters)
Maximum Allowable Payload44,000 pounds (19,958 kilograms)
Range at Maximum Normal Payload2,417 miles (2,100 nautical miles)
Range with 40,000 pounds of Payload2,390 nm/4,425 km
Maximum Load8 pallets or 97 litters or 24 CDS bundles or 128 combat troops or 92 paratroopers, or a combination of any of these up to the cargo compartment capacity or maximum allowable weight
brother any news about AH-1z ....
 

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@Khafee you read news Philippines said they don't have money to buy US Helis no funds??

Lorenzana: US attack helicopters beyond PH budget
By: Frances Mangosing - Reporter / @FMangosingINQ
May 13, 2020


MANILA, Philippines — Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said the attack helicopters being offered by two American companies to the Philippines are way out of the Philippine government’s budget.
The defense chief said the Philippines has allocated only P13 billion for the attack helicopter acquisition project of the Philippine Air Force (PAF).

“The money allotted to buy attack helicopters is only P13 billion,” he said.
He said if the Philippines bought the American helicopters, the country could buy only one or two units. This was the reason, he said, that the Philippine military looked for other countries that can supply attack helicopters with more units than what the allotted funds could buy if these were bought from the US.

Read more: Lorenzana: US attack helicopters beyond PH budget
 

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Philippines No Longer Interested in American Attack Helicopters - Which Other Suppliers Could Replace Them

The armed forces of the Philippines will reportedly no longer consider acquiring American attack helicopters, and due to the considerable cost of the models being marketed to the Southeast Asian state Manilla will look elsewhere for alternative models. This follows moves by Washington to approve the sale of AH-64E Apache and AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters to the country - the former a high end heavyweight design and the latter a lighter but much less capable one. Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana stated regarding the need to look way from the United States to meet requirements for attack helicopters: “I think that’s $1.5 billion to $2 billion for six attack helicopters. We cannot afford that. We only have an allocation of P13 billion ($256 million), so if we will buy with that amount, we can only buy one or two units. That’s why we are looking at other countries where we can buy a few more with the same amount,”



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AH-64E Apache Attack Helicopter

A number of other suppliers can potentially provide the Philippines with the aircraft it needs at a much lower cost, with Russia in particular standing out as a leading potential source. Russia and the Philippines have seen relations steadily improve under the latter’s Rodrigo Duterte administration, with Russian ships paying port visits and providing the Southeast Asian state with arms. Russia is also a leading contender to provide the Philippines with attack submarines to protect its waters, although considerable Western political pressure has since been applied to prevent Manilla from accepting such a sale. Russia is itself a leading exporter of attack helicopters, and while its Ka-52 platform is considerably newer and overall considered more capable than the Apache, a cheaper design such as the Mi-35 may be considered more suitable. Other suppliers of attack helicopters are relatively few, and while China has recently developed more advanced variants of the Z-10 platform the state of relations between Beijing and Manilla will make such a sale unlikely. South Korea is also developing a line of promising attack helicopters, and has been a major supplier of arms to the Philippines in the past including fighter jets, but its aircraft are unlikely to be ready in time to meet the country’s defence needs.

 
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