THINK TANK: ANALYST
- Nov 25, 2017
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Notice that the ISPR never mentions this? Maybe because it occurred the previous day? Or was it the Bat Plane that shot it down?
I suggest you ask a knowledgeable adult.Geneva convention doesn't apply to Indian captive, because he was not here for war. His target was nothing but civilians.
His return only reflect foolishness on Pakistan part. Geneva convention talks about exchange of prisoners, and there was no exchange but only one sided love affair.
In 1999 war with India, Indian PM went running to US and refused to accept captives as Indian citizen.
LOL.Every day world came across lies of Indian military establishment but still listen to their baseless allegations.
Last time Indian military claim of killing 300 people in Pakistan. There's 0 loss of human life and 0 infrastructure damage.... but world believed Indian military blindly.
India planes just choose a spot, where Pakistani jets take time to reach. They enter the Pak airspace and drop payload in haste and ran back.
They were in Pak arirspace for <2 minutes.
Pilot of downed Pakistan Air Force F-16 Shahaz-ud-Din mistaken for Indian airman, lynched by Nowshera mob - FirstpostPakistan Air Force Wing Commander Shahaz-ud-Din, the F-16 pilot shot down in a dogfight over the Nowshera sector, is reported to have been lynched by a mob who mistook him for an Indian airmanwww.firstpost.com
New Delhi: Even as Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman walked across the India-Pakistan border on 1 March, a family in Pakistan is in mourning — silent, blacked out from the public view, their sacrifice unacknowledged. Pakistan Air Force Wing Commander Shahaz-ud-Din, the F-16 pilot shot down in a dogfight over the Nowshera sector, is reported to have been lynched by a mob who mistook him for an Indian airman.
Both men, in one of those strange twists history revels in, come from illustrious military families: Wing Commander Varthaman’s father, S Varthaman, as Air Marshal; Shahaz-ud-Din’s father, Waseem-ud-Din, is also an Air Marshal of the Pakistan Air Force, who has flown F-16 and Mirages.
The two sons engaged each other in the air; one was taken a prisoner of war and has returned home, while the other was killed by his own people.
The goddess of war, it is said, is fickle with her favours — but few twists of fate exist in the annals of history to match this one.
The news that Shahaz-ud-Din's plane was shot down was first reported by London-based lawyer Khalid Umar, who says he received it privately, from individuals related to the F-16 pilot’s family.
Umar’s account says that Shahaz-ud-Din parachuted out of his aircraft safely, but was then attacked by a mob after the F-16 crash-landed — possibly in the Laam valley, stretching out westward from Naushehra into Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. Shahaz-ud-Din, Umar has claimed, was hospitalised, but succumbed to his injuries.
The PAF Wing Commander flew for the 19 Squadron, also known as the ‘Sher-Dils’, who served with distinction in the war of 1965 and 1971.
Pakistani military spokesperson Major-General Asif Ghafoor had asserted, on the morning of 28 February, that two Indian jets had been shot down and two Indian pilots injured — one of whom was in army custody, and the other in the hospital.
Later in the evening, Major-General Ghafoor stated that only one Indian pilot was in Pakistan Army custody, without explaining his earlier comments.
“It’s extremely improbable the Pakistan Army just made up the second plane and pilot,” an Indian military source says. "The more likely explanation is that troops were unable to identify the destroyed aircraft or the battered, broken body to be their own. There was probably miscommunication up the chain of command.”
In the 1999 Kargil War, Pakistan had denied its troops were involved — leading to protests in Pakistan’s northern areas, from where the Northern Light Infantry is drawn.
Eleven years after the Kargil War, Pakistan’s army officially acknowledged its role, naming 453 soldiers and officers killed in the 1999 conflict. Captain Karnal Sher and Havildar Lalak Jan, who were both killed on 7 July, 1999, were awarded Pakistan’s highest honour, the Nishan-e-Haider, but were not acknowledged as Kargil war casualties until November 2010.
Obviously didn't do your homework.India is leading with shoddy news sources but Zero evidence.
It's a fact, that US has blocked Pakistani F-16, helicopters and spares in past on many occasions, even after taking full payment in advance.
Same happened with the order announced in 2006.
I have shared official US state source earlier and share it here again and read the last page:
That was never a matter of controversy. What have you proved?This press brief (from IAF) is circulating on internet and is being reprinted in international press.
Item#2. states 3 types of India fighter jets were sent to intercept PAF and one of those scrambled type was Su-30.
It's now official that SU30 which Pakistan claim to shoot took part in the A2A battle.
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ISPR claimed 2 kills from beginning.Not even the PAF is serious in claiming that more than one Indian plane was shot down. Forget about their being shot down by JF-17s, the AIM20 missile recovered proves conclusively that the PAF deployed F 16s. That may account for the missing plane and the missing pilot, both of which landed in POK.
OK.. my statement was in reference to mig of Abhinandan. Which still is holds.With logic like this, there is no need for air forces, a few fanboys on either side will do. The MiG21 fired an R73; what should the F16 have fired?
You are coming too late and lot has been changed now from IAF side... like you never intended to hit any school building.That was never a matter of controversy. What have you proved?
Roasted body was next to heli crash, which fell inside IoK. Wreckage fell over larger area.If the second roasted body was Indian, the Pakistan authorities would have returned it for suitable interment. Why have they smuggled it to an undisclosed grave? It's looking more and more peculiar.
You have to get used to the fact that in all India-Pakistan engagements, facts are at a discount. Even today, after careful forensic investigation, the exact figures of air losses in the 1965 are not satisfactorily established. In addition, in reading current accounts, you run the serious and highly toxic risk of encountering the feverish posts of teen-aged fans who believe that their posts are also part of the hostilities.I am not here to pick sides but I always thought, wondered and questioned this myself (take note I'm not side picking here)
If it had been, it would have - should have - made headlines.If PAF shot down a Flanker (Su-30MKI) why did not the PAF,IAF officials reveal the lost of such a high end jet. you'd think because of lost of such a advanced jet, it would be making headlines....
This is why proving that F16s were present is important for India; it allows India to embarrass the US, to show the US that their safeguards don't work, to remind the US that similar restrictions in 1965 failed to work in similar fashion, to put indirect pressure on Pakistan by arousing the displeasure of an embarrassed US, and to set a precedent for the future, as there are several items on which similar restrictions have been placed on India.well for starters the US-Pakistan has an agreement where PAF can only use F-16s with inside their own airspace,
And that is the point: Pakistan did not restrict herself to the JF-17.that is why Pakistan chose JF-17 because they needed a "less restricted" aircraft for multiple purposes.
So we return to the point that Pakistan used the F16 in a clandestine manner, that they have been caught at it, and now they will be accused of misuse and of violating the terms of the agreement with the US.however they claim they fired an AIM-120, but US will not allow the integration if AIM-120s onto JF-17 again due to the confusing but strict US-Pakistani defence ties.
Please remember the situation:but overall if the IAF managed to down an F-16 they would show the pilot if he was captured or deceased just to prove they had a pilot in their hands (I'm not trying to sound rude) as well as managing take pics of end of the F-16 (where it has Pakistan's flag).
The Indian side did not show an F 16 crash. That was the private effort of some enterprising fanboy or a media clown trying to present cast-iron news. Be careful never to go by Indian news except for government briefings or the YouTube submissions of Cybersurg.so far, All I been seeing is Pakistan proving they downed the MiG-21 (they showed the debris of the plane) as well as captured the pilot, while India only managed to show an F-16 crash (which was a USAF F-16 crash in Kansas) as well as an AIM-120 scrap piece but seriously not "solid evidence" of much else.
I understand your difficulty in walking back some of your more extreme claims.You are coming too late and lot has been changed now from IAF side... like you never intended to hit any school building.
Similarly there was initially claims that no Su-30 was involved in interception of jF-17.
Since it originated with a gentleman of Pakistani origin, we thought there might be some authenticity to it. Being shared by Indian sources is one thing, being originated by Pakistani sources is another thing.
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