Saudi Arabia shows interest in Pakistani SLCM ... Babur III

[Zeeman]

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad, interest in Babur III cruise missile

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Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman Bin Abdulaziz, who also acts as Defence Minister, is said to have talked to Pakistani PM Imran Khan during his visit to Pakistan earlier this week about the Pakistani-made Babur III submarine-launched cruise missile.
Tactical Report has prepared a 324-word report to shed more light on the subject.
[Partly reproduced in TR Weekly Issue No 26/08 – Feb. 22, 2019]

 

[Zeeman]

This is by far the clearest picture of Babur launch I have ever seen .

 

[Zeeman]

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and military cooperation
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman Bin Abdulaziz, who also acts as Defence Minister, received Chief of Staff of the Pakistani Army General Qamar Javed Bajwa yesterday (5/2/18) in Riyadh.
Crown Prince Mohammad and General Bajwa discussed issues of mutual interests with particular focus on military relations and how to develop them.
In this context, there is talk about the possibility of Pakistan sending military troops to the Kingdom.
The meeting was attended notably by Saudi Assistant Defence Mohammad Al-Ayesh, Chief of Staff of the Saudi Armed Forces General Abdulrahman Bin Saleh Al-Bunyan, Commander of the Royal Saudi Land Forces (RSLF) Lt-General Prince Fahd Bin Turki Bin Abdulaziz and Military Adviser to Defence Minister Major-General Engineer Talal Al-Otaibi.
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[Armchair]

If Pak plays the cards right, here is an opportunity to make serious money and reinvest that money for greater military expansion. @Mastankhan

 

[Cookie Monster]

If Pak plays the cards right, here is an opportunity to make serious money and reinvest that money for greater military expansion. @Mastankhan

Can u shine some light on Saudi submarines(whether or not they can launch SLCMs), MTCR limits that would have to be imposed on the range, etc? This article is too limited...besides mentioning the Saudi interest in Babur III, it doesn't give much info. It would be appreciated if someone can paint the whole picture.

 

[Armchair]

Can u shine some light on Saudi submarines(whether or not they can launch SLCMs), MTCR limits that would have to be imposed on the range, etc? This article is too limited...besides mentioning the Saudi interest in Babur III, it doesn't give much info. It would be appreciated if someone can paint the whole picture.

I think it is possible they may want such capability with their submarines but currently, unless I am much mistaken, Saudi doesn't have an operational submarine force. I feel Prince MBS is wanting CMs for a different purpose - to be used against Houthis in the South.

 

[MIRauf]

Sorry, that is a picture of Sub Launched Tomahawk SLCM, half down the below listed article.

Tomahawks, Submarines and the F-111

Tomahawks, Submarines and the F-111

www.ausairpower.net

 

[Araz]

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and military cooperation
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman Bin Abdulaziz, who also acts as Defence Minister, received Chief of Staff of the Pakistani Army General Qamar Javed Bajwa yesterday (5/2/18) in Riyadh.
Crown Prince Mohammad and General Bajwa discussed issues of mutual interests with particular focus on military relations and how to develop them.
In this context, there is talk about the possibility of Pakistan sending military troops to the Kingdom.
The meeting was attended notably by Saudi Assistant Defence Mohammad Al-Ayesh, Chief of Staff of the Saudi Armed Forces General Abdulrahman Bin Saleh Al-Bunyan, Commander of the Royal Saudi Land Forces (RSLF) Lt-General Prince Fahd Bin Turki Bin Abdulaziz and Military Adviser to Defence Minister Major-General Engineer Talal Al-Otaibi.
TR Newswires is a confidential and exclusive newswire service covering Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, KSA, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, UAE and Yemen
Website: News, Reports & Consultancies - Tactical Report – E-mail: [email protected] ©Tactical Report – All Rights Reserved

Out of interest which platform will they use it from? Baber 3 will defy MTCR treaty and Pakistan will find it difficult to contravene it. There may be other ways to deal with that though.
A

 

[SABRE]

Can u shine some light on Saudi submarines(whether or not they can launch SLCMs), MTCR limits that would have to be imposed on the range, etc? This article is too limited...besides mentioning the Saudi interest in Babur III, it doesn't give much info. It would be appreciated if someone can paint the whole picture.

Royal Saudi Navy does not operate submarines & their interest in buying submarines is still murky. If they do they are like to go for German boats. In which case it is not certain if the Pakistani engineers would be allowed to integrate Babur-III on potential Saudi submarines without German approval.

 

[SABRE]

Out of interest which platform will they use it from? Baber 3 will defy MTCR treaty and Pakistan will find it difficult to contravene it. There may be other ways to deal with that though.
A

MTCR is not a treaty. It's an informal export-control regime. The member states adhere to its rules voluntarily. Technically there are no rewards for adhering to its rules nor punishments for breaking them, except that the US might impose sanctions against the weaker countries - whether they are full members or outside observers. Pakistan is not a member of MTCR but our official stance is to voluntarily observe MTCR's rules, at least in a statement. Babur-III has a range of 450km. Selling it to the Saudis or anyone else with that range would be deemed (by the US) as a violation of our voluntary observation of MTCR. However, Pakistan can decrease the range to around 250-290km and sell it - provided the range-to-payload tradeoff does not allow the missile to achieve range greater than 290km. Also, Pakistan would have to make sure the export variant is not capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. The issue, however, is Saudis do not have a submarine. Pakistan could instead sell the Saudis Harbah, the anti-ship cruise missile variant of Babur. Stipulation again being that the range, under all circumstance, remains below 290km and the missile is only able to carry a conventional payload.

 

[Scorpion]

The source is unreliable.

 

[TomCat]

The source is unreliable.

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[Scorpion]

Hey Bro,
Good to see you,

How is everything?

Good to see you too.

Madly busy!

 

[TomCat]

Good to see you too.

Madly busy!

Seems like it,

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[SABRE]

The source is unreliable.

& I found no corroborating/concerned news in the link.