I think, India has already declared various dead Su pilots in the incident.the Mi17 took off from Srinagar and crashed in Budgam after 10min of flight(a possible heading towards the crash site).
They must have been exploring the crash site, this is the only explanation, which also confirms a hit & crash. Pilots were seen ejecting by the locals and captured on phone video, as stated above by Khafee.would still be like finding a needle in haystack when taking into account such a large area.
Just a reminder to India
Yes...but I don't wanna declare something like they were "Su30MKI pilots"...I think, India has already declared various dead Su pilots in the incident.
There's no sense to why were they transporting so many fighter pilots, must be another one of their failed strategy, to say the least.
In my personal opinion...it wouldn't be of much use to have a heli airborne for a SAR mission...without their being an active need for SAR mission.Let me be the devils advocate, Plot the vectors which heli was flying towards and corelate it with given positions of SU's and we will at least know if it was going towards the same direction or something else. Is there are a practice that during a skirmish SAR choppers establish an orbit and be ready for any instant action and chopper was going for that?
I believe the person who was said to be taken to CMH was Abhi, the rest is all fog of war. As far as i am concerned we have proof of 1 Mig-21 kill while for the other one the only thing we have is word of mouth, PAF's credibility and reputation and a medal given to the aircrew.
What intrigues me is why we have been keeping quiet, we were listening to their comms, we had them jammed, we were on TOP of the game as far as EW is concerned, yet we are keeping mum about it and not interested in releasing any sort of evidence for public consumption. Yes i am fully aware that all the stakeholders involved would have seen the evidence but nothing to gain momentum on social media and news front.
Well said! In an active hot zone, a SAR helo would complicate matters.In my personal opinion...it wouldn't be of much use to have a heli airborne for a SAR mission...without their being an active need for SAR mission.
...any practice of such would be done during peacetime...u wouldn't want a helicopter flying around aimlessly in a hot zone where fighter jets are engaging each other.
The most practical option would be to have the helicopter fueled and readied(on the ground with the crew on standby) in the event it's needed.
As for not releasing Su30MKI info. As I see it...PAF did not keep mum and fully announced it. The pilot Hassan Siddique was publicly given an award by PAF. He himself has stood by that claim. Also PAF released a documentary about it detailing the sequence of events again saying that Su30MKI was shot down. It was also the PAF that released info such as the call sign of the Su30MKI(Avenger 1) that was shot down.
So any such rumors like PAF kept mum bcuz it was asked by the Russians and so on...I think they are baseless. PAF doesn't owe Russians any favors...last I remember they even denied Pakistan Pantsir(which is not that unique of a thing IMO and it's foolish on their part as they lost a sale since Pak will just get some other analogous system).
I think the only reason why more information is not being released about Su30MKI by PAF is bcuz that would involve releasing sensitive information like radar data, possible human intelligence sources(if any exist on the ground), and other such things...since it fell on the Indian side.
Pak didn't have to release any sensitive info in case of the Mig21...bcuz showing the wreckage and all the missiles intact was enough of a proof. This can't be done with Su30MKI...and releasing other kinds of sensitive proof is not worth the risk.
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