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Dude,i know you are a racist(comfirmed)and against Turkiye but in this case my answer would be,''why doesnt Greece try something instead of letting racists like talk about?

How come wanting your country not to be invaded by millions of "aliens" and wanting to defend your culture,history etc is being racist ?

I don't hide it,i don't like Turkey or Turkiye or whatever. You downed this aircraft and then rushed to NATO,you did it because you think NATO's shield would protect you. I am ready to bet anything i have you wouldn't have done it if you weren't in NATO.
If only Turkiye or whatever was that strict toward ISIS terrorists,their oil etc. than against Russian aircrafts..........

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We should put pressure on Turkey to stop their violations of the Greece's airspace,instead of condemning Russia for doing the same,your hypocrisy is at the highest level. "Do not want their airspace to be violated,but violate other's".
 

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How come wanting your country not to be invaded by millions of "aliens" and wanting to defend your culture,history etc is being racist ?

I don't hide it,i don't like Turkey or Turkiye or whatever. You downed this aircraft and then rushed to NATO,you did it because you think NATO's shield would protect you. I am ready to bet anything i have you wouldn't have done it if you weren't in NATO.
If only Turkiye or whatever was that strict toward ISIS terrorists,their oil etc. than against Russian aircrafts..........

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We should put pressure on Turkey to stop their violations of the Greece's airspace,instead of condemning Russia for doing the same,your hypocrisy is at the highest level. "Do not want their airspace to be violated,but violate other's".
Your brain has problems comprehending again,Turkiye and Greece is a whole different situation,they have many islands 1 mile from the Turkish shore,they violate our airspace and so do we.
Syria is a war-zone,they already downed a Turkish F-4,our code of conduct has changed after that.
It is none of your business whome we support or not,if you violate our airspace,you will be shot down,compris?
Try using your brain sometimes.
Instead of talking so much,you should make the Greeks do something about it,maybe with some help from France?
Dont qoute me again,i dont talk to racists.
 

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All Russia can do is threaten,nothing more.
Russia depends on Turkiye for hard cash(40% of gas imports are from Russia) and Turkiye depends on Russia for other trade like Turkish goods ,the building sector etc.
Im sure you know the economic situation of Russia with all the sanctions against it.

That bilateral trading is what's on my mind that's why I was quite surprised upon reading the news of that downed Russian plane. At first, I thought it was a mistaken identity or an accidental hit. But with the missing confirmation of the several warning sent to Russian plane, it is a clear attack. So what happens now to their economic agenda? Both Russia and Turkey may suffer from an embargo.
 

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No idea what you guys are getting at.
Turkey claimed Russia violated their airspace and warned Russian planes for 10 times. Then they posted data of Russian planes were inside Turkey for only 17 seconds.
So how did they warn Russians 10 times in 17 seconds? The data from both sides also concluded Turkish F-16s were inside Syrian airspace when fired the missiles. The explosion of the missiles took place in Syrian airspace, the Russian planes and pilots both came down in Syria.

By the way, the Turkish camera crew were at the right place at the right time facing the right direction to caught such exclusive footage... luck or tipped off?

A few days before the incident took place, the Russians started to bomb the oil refinery and oil tankers of ISIS who sell oil on the black market to Turkey...
 

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Your brain has problems comprehending again,Turkiye and Greece is a whole different situation,they have many islands 1 mile from the Turkish shore,they violate our airspace and so do we.
Syria is a war-zone,they already downed a Turkish F-4,our code of conduct has changed after that.
It is none of your business whome we support or not,if you violate our airspace,you will be shot down,compris?
Try using your brain sometimes.
Instead of talking so much,you should make the Greeks do something about it,maybe with some help from France?
Dont qoute me again,i dont talk to racists.

Do not worry.

A few days before the incident took place, the Russians started to bomb the oil refinery and oil tankers of ISIS who sell oil on the black market to Turkey...

Putin claims Turkey downed Russian warplane to defend IS oil supplies, Turkey offers no apology - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
 
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That bilateral trading is what's on my mind that's why I was quite surprised upon reading the news of that downed Russian plane. At first, I thought it was a mistaken identity or an accidental hit. But with the missing confirmation of the several warning sent to Russian plane, it is a clear attack. So what happens now to their economic agenda? Both Russia and Turkey may suffer from an embargo.
We will see what kind of impact it will have on both sides.
 

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It is actually confirmed that Turkey has been the buyer of ISIS oil. The one who in charge of such business is no one other than Turkish president's son. So it is a family business which has been under attack by Russian bombing sorts. They took it into their own hands by ambushed a Russian bomber, then ran to NATO like if it was the Russians attacked them.
 

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It is also funny that...
In 2012, the Syrians shot down a Turkish jet which had entered its airspace, and Erdoğan’s furious response at the time was that “a short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack”.

Even if the data from Turkey was real, the Russian bomber was inside Turkish airspace for only 17 seconds, that should have qualified as "short-term". The Turkey jet fighters then chased cross the border to fire the missiles.
 

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It is actually confirmed that Turkey has been the buyer of ISIS oil. The one who in charge of such business is no one other than Turkish president's son. So it is a family business which has been under attack by Russian bombing sorts. They took it into their own hands by ambushed a Russian bomber, then ran to NATO like if it was the Russians attacked them.

Yo fanboy,if you claim something,you need at least some kind of conformation from some official news source.

U.S. Says Syria Is Buying Oil From Islamic State
U.S. Treasury Department blacklists Syrian businessman for facilitating transactions

Updated Nov. 25, 2015 2:47 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON—The Obama administration accused Syria’s government of purchasing oil from Islamic State and blacklisted a Syrian-Russian businessman suspected of facilitating those transactions.

The U.S. Treasury Department also penalized Russian and Cypriot businessmen and companies suspected of helping the Syrian central bank evade international sanctions through a web of companies based in Russia, Cyprus and Belize.

Among those blacklisted is Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, a former president of the autonomous Russian Republic of Kalmykia. Mr. Ilyumzhinov is a long-serving president of the World Chess Federation, according to the Treasury Department.

The Treasury’s actions bar U.S. nationals from doing business with the designated entities and freeze any assets they hold in the U.S. financial system.

U.S. officials have long voiced concerns that the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was strengthening Islamic State’s finances by purchasing oil produced by the militant group on territory that used to be controlled by Damascus. However, Wednesday’s charges are the most explicit and direct accusations by the U.S., and the first time sanctions have been imposed over the regime’s oil trade.

The Treasury Department’s sanctions procedures resemble law-enforcement investigations, in that officials release findings as they compile evidence.

However, the timing of the charges against the Assad regime of buying oil from Islamic State extremists gives U.S. policy makers and allied diplomats new leverage to use against Russia as the West pressures Moscow to distance itself from Damascus. French President François Hollande was due to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow on Thursday to discuss recent terror attacks targeting both countries.

On Wednesday, the Treasury accused a Syrian-born businessman, George Haswani, who his a dual Syrian-Russian citizen, of using his firm, HESCO Engineering and Construction Co., for facilitating oil trades between the Assad regime and Islamic State.

The European Union blacklisted Mr. Haswani in March. Mr. Haswani has appealed the EU move. He couldn’t be reached to comment, and his lawyer didn’t return a request to comment.

The U.S. imposed sanctions on Syria’s central bank over a decade ago for its alleged involvement in money laundering. Adib Mayaleh, the governor of Syria’s central bank, was sanctioned in 2012 for allegedly using his job to move funds out of the country.

The Treasury on Wednesday accused Mr. Ilyumzhinov of working closely with the Assad regime’s business associates in Syria and Russia to help the Syrian central bank avoid sanctions. This included the use of Moscow’s Russian Financial Alliance Bank, of which he is a major shareholder.

“Kirsan Ilyumzhinov was designated today for materially assisting and acting for or on behalf of the Government of Syria, Central Bank of Syria” and two central bank officials, the Treasury statement said.

Mr. Ilyumzhinov couldn’t be reached through the Russian Financial Alliance Bank on Wednesday.

An aide to Mr. Ilyumzhinov at the World Chess Federation, reached in Rome, declined to comment.

The Treasury also imposed sanctions on three Cyprus-based companies and a Belizean firm for allegedly assisting the Syrian government in money laundering activities.

“The United States will continue targeting the finances of those enabling Assad to continue inflicting violence on the Syrian people,” the Treasury Department’s acting undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, Adam Szubin, said Wednesday.

U.S. Says Syria Is Buying Oil From Islamic State - WSJ
 

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Seems like there is a lot of corruption going on. We all new Russia was in bed with Syria though. I don't know how it all of it will play out, but Russian can't afford to go to war with Turkey (or Nato). I don't know what prompted them to shoot the plane down. If that data is correct and they were only in Turkey's airspace for 17 seconds, then you would think considering their trade relations Russia would get a pass. Hopefully we will know more when all the facts are revealed.
 

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They say "All is well that ends well." But, can this situation end well? There are a lot of different military players (with a lot of different agendas) in Syria right now. Turkey shoots down a Russian plane. Turkey is in NATO. Tensions between the US and Russia are at highs not seen since the cold war. Refugees pouring into Europe (with ISIS members allegedly embeded). European countries bombing targets in Syria. How can this end well? Any comments or suggestions about how this can end on a positive note?
 

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So, what would be the reasoning for the Russians in violating the air space of Turkey, if ISIS is not in that particular area? Are they doing this on behalf of Syria, for some reason? It's hard for an outsider to comprehend the politics of the region and the countries involved. I did see a comment elsewhere that Turkey consistently violates the airspace of Greece, so it seems curious that they would do that, yet hold Russia to a much higher standard, to the extent of actually shooting down a plane.

In peace time normal procedure is to warn the aircraft and escort it with your own aircraft, force it to leave your airspace. No country would shot others's aircraft for briefly violating airspace.

However situation in our Syrian border is different.

In 2012 Syria downed one of our reconnaissance jet, for briefly violating Syrian airspace without any warnings.

After that incident Turkey changed it's Rules of Engagement regarding to Syrian border. Within the scope of the new RoA, one Syrian jet and Helicopter downed after they violated our airspace.

A month ago before the downing of the Russian Jet, in two different occasions Russian jets violated our space, Turkey protested strongly and said that we are going to down if Russian air crafts continue their violations.

They violated again, we downed their Jet withing the scope of RoE.

If an apology would deescalate the situation why can't Turkey just apologize and get done with it?

An apology means that Turkey is accepting fault in the incident. It would pave way for international trials, compensation for the incident, trial for the pilots etc... It would also means that Turkey acted as an aggressor whoever Russia is the aggressor here by violating our airspace.

No idea what you guys are getting at.
Turkey claimed Russia violated their airspace and warned Russian planes for 10 times. Then they posted data of Russian planes were inside Turkey for only 17 seconds.
So how did they warn Russians 10 times in 17 seconds? The data from both sides also concluded Turkish F-16s were inside Syrian airspace when fired the missiles. The explosion of the missiles took place in Syrian airspace, the Russian planes and pilots both came down in Syria.
Any military aircraft that is approaching to Turkish border from Syria is being warned from 30 Miles away. They warned the Russian fighter 10 times within a 5 minutes time frame. After it violated our airspace it got shot warned.

Turkish F-16s never violated Syrian airspace.

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At point MM041 Turkish F-16 fired missiles and disengaged. Russian aircraft got hit in HH037.

By the way, the Turkish camera crew were at the right place at the right time facing the right direction to caught such exclusive footage... luck or tipped off?
Russians at that time were bombing "Turkmen Mountain" for several days, where ethnic Turks are living, many camera crews were there to shot the incident as it's pretty much big deal in Turkey.

A few days before the incident took place, the Russians started to bomb the oil refinery and oil tankers of ISIS who sell oil on the black market to Turkey...
Turkey is not buying any oil from Daesh if you are implying that.

It is actually confirmed that Turkey has been the buyer of ISIS oil. The one who in charge of such business is no one other than Turkish president's son. So it is a family business which has been under attack by Russian bombing sorts. They took it into their own hands by ambushed a Russian bomber, then ran to NATO like if it was the Russians attacked them.
First of all there is no such thing as Turkey buying oil from ISIS. Erdoğan's son has no company in the region. Our has any trucks. Russia was not bombing ISIS but FSA that day. Nearest ISIS positions are 200km away from the Turkmen mountain.

Russian military attaché immediately briefed in the Ankara after the incident. Later on NATO partners got briefed.

Mate, we are in Anatolia for a millennium and nobody has been able to conquer us. We fought against Ruskies for 16 times in the history and we can surely take them on for the 17th time. We are not the kind to shy away from a fight.

It is also funny that...
In 2012, the Syrians shot down a Turkish jet which had entered its airspace, and Erdoğan’s furious response at the time was that “a short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack”.

Even if the data from Turkey was real, the Russian bomber was inside Turkish airspace for only 17 seconds, that should have qualified as "short-term". The Turkey jet fighters then chased cross the border to fire the missiles.
As i explanied it earlier...RoA. We are not shooting down any Greek aircraft that trespasses into our airspace. But Syrian border is an other story.
 

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They cry over their airspace violated,but continue to violate Greece's ! (In some months,they violated it more than 1000x times !

We should put pressure on Turkey to stop their violations of the Greece's airspace,instead of condemning Russia for doing the same,your hypocrisy is at the highest level. "Do not want their airspace to be violated,but violate other's".

The delimitation of national airspace claimed by Greece is unique, as it does not coincide with the boundary of the territorial waters. Greece claims 10 nautical miles (19 km) of airspace, as opposed to currently 6 miles of territorial waters. Since 1974, Turkey has refused to acknowledge the validity of the outer 4-mile belt of airspace that extends beyond the Greek territorial waters. Turkey cites the statutes of the International Civil Aviation Organization(ICAO) of 1948, as containing a binding definition that both zones must coincide.[

We are not going to acknowledge Greece's self declared airspace 19 km of airspace. So, according to us we are flying over international airspace. According to them we are violating their airspace. If you wanna side with Greece in this issue, suit yourself. You can do nothing as we are going to continue to fly over the disputed airspace.

I wish Greece could repeat what happened in 1996 to every Turkish aircraft that violate their sovereignty !
Do you know that after 2 days, they "accidently" shoot our aircraft, one of their F-16s went missing in the same spot ?
 
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