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A PIA Airbus airplane flying from Lahore to Karachi has crashed with 95 passengers onboard

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Sorry sir i will disagree, it is part of ATC's responsibility to ensure safety of aircrafts when it comes under his/her airspace, even if 99% was pilot's fault it was wrong on ATC's part to notice plane coming down hot without gears down and scrapping the runway with flames, at that given point nothing could have done
Hi,

You may disagree as much as you want to---why---because you are a pakistani---. It is in the genetic makeup not to understand---.

It is always the captain's fault in the mishap---either in the air or in a ship---.

So stop making excuses---.

The day had clear weather---the runway was visible---the altutide---the speed of the aircraft---the speed of the descent was in the hands of a 16000 hours logged pilot---.

The captain knew the " physics " of the flight---.

With hardly any planes in the air why is there an ATC at karachi at all---maybe for over flights---.
 

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Sorry sir i will disagree, it is part of ATC's responsibility to ensure safety of aircrafts when it comes under his/her airspace, even if 99% was pilot's fault it was wrong on ATC's part to notice plane coming down hot without gears down and scrapping the runway with flames, at that given point nothing could have done
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“This accident may very well be the worst case of human factors failings that I’ve seen in commercial aviation history” is a very sensible way of saying “These were the dumbest pilots I have ever seen”.


 

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why the fuck than i am asked for HEC attestation for a job ajeeb chutyapa hai
Because you were not smart enough to join PIA, you could have been a pilot by now.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: A “FAKE” PILOT FROM PAKISTAN INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES SPEAKS OUT
MATTHEW KLINT JUNE 29, 2020 35 COMMENTS


After revelations surfaced that as many as 262 of the 860 commercial pilots in Pakistan are not really certified to fly, I wrote an op-ed calling for Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) to be blacklisted until a full investigation was completed. A PIA pilot whose credentials are now being questioned reached out to me to provide his perspective on why the picture being presented to the public is incomplete. This PIA “fake” pilot makes a compelling point.
PIA Pilot: I’m On The Fake Pilot List And Horrified
The pilot has asked to remain anonymous for the time being, though I have verified his identity as a PIA first officer. He reached out me after learning his name was on the suspect list and then finding my article about it online. Primary among his concerns is that the public has not been made aware of the specifics of what are being alleged.
This is not a matter of “fake” pilots taking to the skies. Rather, it is a matter of certification for captain.
In Pakistan, there are three levels of pilots:
  • Private Pilot License (PPL) – for personal use; allows you fly an aircraft without charging any money
  • Commercial Pilot License (CPL) – for anyone who wants to become a pilot by profession. This allows you to get paid, and fly any aircraft as a first officer (co-pilot) or fly any aircraft as a captain provided the aircraft’s weight is less than 5700 kilograms
  • Airline Transport Pilot License (ATPL) – the highest category of license that a pilot obtains; a requirement to fly any aircraft which weights more than 5700 kilograms as a captain.
Many nations divide pilots into these three classifications, though precise definitions and requirements vary by country. To obtain each license a minimum number of flight hours and written exams are required.

An Issue Of Timing
The PIA pilot explained that many pilots now find their credentials being questioned over an issue of timing.
“Our reputation has been demolished thanks to an overzealous minister who made a statement without any fact checking. Just to give you the other side, the criteria for judging whether a license is dubious by our Civil Aviation Authority is anyone who operated a flight the same day they appeared in a written exam. I am one such case.”
The pilot is a first officer who holds a CPL, not an ATPL. He explained that he took the first of his eight ATPL written exams on the same day he operated a flight. This triggered an automatic red flag and makes him one of the 262 suspects.
“I operated a flight from Lahore to Karachi in the morning, went straight to the examination center in Karachi and gave my first ATPL exam. I passed. There is a record of me signing in on an attendance sheet with the time I walked in (I was late due to the flight, though I received no extra time to complete my paper). They supposedly have camera footage of me at the examination hall. I have since not appeared in any more exams. Still got seven more to go. Therefore, I don’t even possess the fake license I’m alleged to have!”
PIA Fake Pilot License? I Never Claimed To Have It!
He’s a first officer on a Boeing 777. He has not completed his ATPL yet because, as he put it, he does not need to. Now he is accused of having a fake license he has never held or purported to hold.

“There are dozens and dozens of pilots on this list that I can confirm have similar circumstances. People who have appeared during the day in the exam and operated a flight in the evening. For many of us based in cities where there aren’t exam centers it is easier to combine our exams with a flight to Karachi where exams are held daily, because we are unable to squeeze the days off required to fly there and appear for the papers in between flights.”
So in short, one suspect is a trained pilot with both his PPL and CPL and now stands accused of faking his ATPL, a license he has never claimed to have. Others are simply being accused of faking exams because they flew on the same day they took the exam, something that is demonstrably possible.
CONCLUSION
This “counterpoint” does not bury the issue, especially since several pilots at PIA have allegedly already come forward and admitted to holding fake credentials. But it does appear that there is more to the story and some pilots have been falsely accused.
I asked him why he reached out to me and quite candidly, he said:
“Our colleagues who are working abroad are going to lose their jobs. We might lose our jobs here. All over something unbelievably ridiculous and an abhorently reckless statement by our aviation minister. You’re a journalist, please uncover the story here.”
I’m just a blogger who loves writing about air travel, but his story sounds plausible to me and I am happy to share it here. As the situation develops, I hope he can go on the record and share more insight concerning what is going on at PIA.
 

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News channels told to apologise over fake news on Kuwait Airways' Pakistani pilots
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They ran fake news regarding the termination and suspension of Pakistani pilots and engineers.

Several Pakistani electronic news channels have been issued show cause notice and are directed to submit an apology for airing false news.
The Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (PEMRA) handed show cause notice to ARY, Dunya TV, 24 News, Public TV and GTV for running fake news regarding the termination and suspension of Pakistani pilots and engineers working for Kuwait Airways.


PEMRA reprimanded the news channels for running "fake news without any editorial check". According to reports in Samaa.tv, these news channels broadcast false reports immediately after the Pakistan International Airlines grounded 141 pilots for allegedly possessing licenses.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: A “FAKE” PILOT FROM PAKISTAN INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES SPEAKS OUT
MATTHEW KLINT JUNE 29, 2020 35 COMMENTS


After revelations surfaced that as many as 262 of the 860 commercial pilots in Pakistan are not really certified to fly, I wrote an op-ed calling for Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) to be blacklisted until a full investigation was completed. A PIA pilot whose credentials are now being questioned reached out to me to provide his perspective on why the picture being presented to the public is incomplete. This PIA “fake” pilot makes a compelling point.
PIA Pilot: I’m On The Fake Pilot List And Horrified
The pilot has asked to remain anonymous for the time being, though I have verified his identity as a PIA first officer. He reached out me after learning his name was on the suspect list and then finding my article about it online. Primary among his concerns is that the public has not been made aware of the specifics of what are being alleged.
This is not a matter of “fake” pilots taking to the skies. Rather, it is a matter of certification for captain.
In Pakistan, there are three levels of pilots:
  • Private Pilot License (PPL) – for personal use; allows you fly an aircraft without charging any money
  • Commercial Pilot License (CPL) – for anyone who wants to become a pilot by profession. This allows you to get paid, and fly any aircraft as a first officer (co-pilot) or fly any aircraft as a captain provided the aircraft’s weight is less than 5700 kilograms
  • Airline Transport Pilot License (ATPL) – the highest category of license that a pilot obtains; a requirement to fly any aircraft which weights more than 5700 kilograms as a captain.
Many nations divide pilots into these three classifications, though precise definitions and requirements vary by country. To obtain each license a minimum number of flight hours and written exams are required.

An Issue Of Timing
The PIA pilot explained that many pilots now find their credentials being questioned over an issue of timing.

The pilot is a first officer who holds a CPL, not an ATPL. He explained that he took the first of his eight ATPL written exams on the same day he operated a flight. This triggered an automatic red flag and makes him one of the 262 suspects.

PIA Fake Pilot License? I Never Claimed To Have It!
He’s a first officer on a Boeing 777. He has not completed his ATPL yet because, as he put it, he does not need to. Now he is accused of having a fake license he has never held or purported to hold.


So in short, one suspect is a trained pilot with both his PPL and CPL and now stands accused of faking his ATPL, a license he has never claimed to have. Others are simply being accused of faking exams because they flew on the same day they took the exam, something that is demonstrably possible.
CONCLUSION
This “counterpoint” does not bury the issue, especially since several pilots at PIA have allegedly already come forward and admitted to holding fake credentials. But it does appear that there is more to the story and some pilots have been falsely accused.
I asked him why he reached out to me and quite candidly, he said:

I’m just a blogger who loves writing about air travel, but his story sounds plausible to me and I am happy to share it here. As the situation develops, I hope he can go on the record and share more insight concerning what is going on at PIA.
In the rest of the world, a pilot cannot step into the cockpit without a ATPL.
 

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PIA unions can make anything possible. Not playing politics but a parch from PML/PPP politicians can do wonders....even put you in the cockpit.
We need to know exact details, who hired who and upon whom's order, and this must be in form of official report!
 
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Did the report mention, if pilot was fasting?
If that was the case, it unsafe to fly in such condition.
 

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Airline Ratings, the world’s best airline safety and product rating review #website, has downgraded the Pakistan #International Airlines (PIA) ranking to a 1-star airline after it was revealed that a major chunk of its pilots held fake licenses.

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In the rest of the world, a pilot cannot step into the cockpit without a ATPL.
my friend flies for Airblue and he doesn't have ATPL, he only has CPL, he is FO and only needs to get ATPL if he wants to become Captain once he has done required amount of hours on one particular aircraft
 

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