Armed forces of the Islamic republic of Iran

[Falcon29]

Let's stop the Persian-Arab Gulf dispute and get back on topic guys.

@Schacht

Post some more info/pics on Iranian defense industry and armed forces. All of it has been interesting so far.

 

[Jaeger]

The HESA Saeqeh is an Iranian deprived version of the F-5 "Freedom fighter". According to Iran they made an updated version called the Saeqeh 2 that has 2 seats, more advanced weaponry, electronics and avionics. Iran is to believe have 17 F-5 fighters that can receive the Saeqeh 2 configuration

 

[Scorpion]

The HESA Saeqeh is an Iranian deprived version of the F-5 "Freedom fighter". According to Iran they made an updated version called the Saeqeh 2 that has 2 seats, more advanced weaponry, electronics and avionics. Iran is to believe have 17 F-5 fighters that can receive the Saeqeh 2 configuration
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That was announced two years ago and we haven't seen anything till this day. Iran says the production line has been entered the working phase but no product is coming out as of yet.

 

[Schacht]

Maps prior 1600 mentioned about the Gulf of Basra and Gulf of Qatif which both are Arabian cities.

It's not true because it according to wikipedia , the name of the Gulf of Basra and Gulf of Qatif was for the 17th century.

Source : Persian Gulf naming dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

in the 17th century, some British and Turkish documents from the waterway was named as the Gulf of Basra, which suggests the importance of Basra have been in business at that time. Of course the Gulf Basra is one of 15 bays on the Persian Gulf . in English it's called the Bay of Basra and Khor translated in Persian .

In many credible sources such as US sources , the Library of Congress (Country Studies), the CIA World Fact Book (Regional Maps), and the National Geographic Society refer to "Persian Gulf.
and the name "Gulf of Iran (Persian Gulf)" is used by the International Hydrographic Organization .

There are also many maps about the Persian Gulf :

From beginning to 400 A.D|persian gulf map From beginning to 400 A.D
From 400 A.D to 1470 A.D|persian gulf middle east map arabian gulf map

 

[Scorpion]

It's not true because it according to wikipedia , the name of the Gulf of Basra and Gulf of Qatif was for the 17th century.

Source : Persian Gulf naming dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

in the 17th century, some British and Turkish documents from the waterway was named as the Gulf of Basra, which suggests the importance of Basra have been in business at that time. Of course the Gulf Basra is one of 15 bays on the Persian Gulf . in English it's called the Bay of Basra and Khor translated in Persian .

In many credible sources such as US sources , the Library of Congress (Country Studies), the CIA World Fact Book (Regional Maps), and the National Geographic Society refer to "Persian Gulf.
and the name "Gulf of Iran (Persian Gulf)" is used by the International Hydrographic Organization .

There are also many maps about the Persian Gulf :
From beginning to 400 A.D|persian gulf map From beginning to 400 A.D
From 400 A.D to 1470 A.D|persian gulf middle east map arabian gulf map

I don't know why the fuss over the name. Iran calls it the Persian one and we in the Arab world call it the Arabian thats it my friend end of story.

 

[Jaeger]

That was announced two years ago and we haven't seen anything till this day. Iran says the production line has been entered the working phase but no product is coming out as of yet.

that i agree with bro but if you want to know some info about Iran's defense, Tehran spends more $ on building, developing an testing missiles then anything else. That's why their air force, army, navy etc. are small and probably weak in categories (not the training). for example every source I have read claims Iran only has 100 Zulfiqar MBT

 

[Jaeger]

Iranian Dshk on ZPU-4 Mount

Iranian Talash. their clone and equivalent to the MIM-104

 

[Scorpion]

Iranian Dshk on ZPU-4 Mount
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Iranian Talash. their clone and equivalent to the MIM-104
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Blind very blind against the Typhoon, F-15SA, F-16 Block 61, F-18 Super Hornet, Mirage-2009...etc. Im criticizing Iran made equips so much but my criticism is valid.

 

[Schacht]

Blind very blind against the Typhoon, F-15SA, F-16Block 61, F-18 Super Hornet, Mirage-2009...etc. Im criticizing Iran made equips so much but my criticism is valid.

On what basis you are saying that powerless?

sayyad-2 missile destroy a UAV target beyond 100 km range in military drill in recent years .

 

[Jaeger]

@Schacht i believe is mentioning their designs. Their cloned variant of the MIM-104 maybe useful, but the Dshk mounted ZPU-4 is a really bad designed. i mean it could more then likely take down UAVs and maybe hit some helicopters but no way will it jet aircraft. Iran though seems the need to work on their air force, air defense and Navy because they are actually the smallest but of course Iran won't because they care more for their Missile forces.

 

[Scorpion]

On what basis you are saying that powerless?

sayyad-2 missile destroy a UAV target beyond 100 km range in military drill in recent years .

What is the range of the system?

 

[Schacht]

@Schacht i believe is mentioning their designs. Their cloned variant of the MIM-104 maybe useful, but the Dshk mounted ZPU-4 is a really bad designed. i mean it could more then likely take down UAVs and maybe hit some helicopters but no way will it jet aircraft. Iran though seems the need to work on their air force, air defense and Navy because they are actually the smallest but of course Iran won't because they care more for their Missile forces.

The ZPU-4 anti-aircraft system is old and is not produced.

What is the range of the system?

Different sources claim various numbers, from 60 km to 120 km .
the sayyad-2 missile look like SM-2 Standard SAM missile but its control fins is like Iranian medium range TIER-2 SAM missile.

 

[Gabriel92]

I don't know why the fuss over the name. Iran calls it the Persian one and we in the Arab world call it the Arabian thats it my friend end of story.

We call it "Golfe Arabo-Persique". That's easier,no disputes.

 

[Scorpion]

We call it "Golfe Arabo-Persique". That's easier,no disputes.

French sailors also documented that in some of the maps they make but no Persique mentioned by them.

 

[Schacht]

We call it "Golfe Arabo-Persique". That's easier,no disputes.

According to reliable sources Persian Gulf is correct.I have previously explained in full in this case.
in the encyclopaedia encyclopédie ou dictionnaire (published in 1751. france), encyclopaedia Britannica, encyclopedia Lavrska, usa and all the famous encyclopaedia use the Persian Gulf from ancient times until today.

French sailors also documented that in some of the maps they make but no Persique mentioned by them.

According to Wikipedia, the map is for 1667.
Source :
الخلاف على اسم الخليج العربي - ويكيبيديا، الموسوعة الحرة

French map dated 1740 denoting Golfe de Perse.

French map from 1540 that shows the name of the Persian Gulf.

Map of the Saudi national oil company and the name of the Persian Gulf in 1952.