China kills twenty Indian soldiers .... heading to the war!!!

[space cadet]

I don't think I do. Indian survivors of the attack clearly say they were attacked and had to flee, jumping off the cliff to escape. China even ended up capturing a bunch of Indian soldiers. Pray tell now, whose face needs saving here.

Currently the only ones claiming large Chinese casualties are the Indian media, British tabloids and the CIA - all equally credible.

India soldiers' deaths in clash not in vain - Modi

haven't seen these reports, thanks for showing me

 

[Zeeman]

I think you may have it wrong, India doesn't need to save face, China needs to at this point. The whole world is watching how they react

Why the heck would world be looking at China? if anyone who got publicly humiliated and suffered the most losses is India. For all we know India is still looking for almost 30 more missing soldiers. Either they are dead or in Chinese custody.

India's strategic grand dream of neutralizing Chine went down the gutter not in the great tank battle or in the ocean but on a small cliff in Ladakh.
India stands exposed as weak and insignificant adversiry. Imagine how sitting in the West we are watching and reading about this incident.
A wanna be sup power is humiliated by few Chinese using sticks and punches. What Chinese suffered is simply unknown but also insignificant. Headlines are not about them.

Finally Modi came out to say few words and his body language was one of someone who had suffered a devastating loss. After all his entire isolating Pakistan strategy has turned into a completely isolated India. Where is the diplomatic support? why is Russia and America so silent? Heck they just paid America billions in weapons to buy their support.

Not a single headline talked about China's aggression or Chinese losses but about India loosing soldiers and humiliation. Have a look at today"s CNN headline:

 

[Zeeman]

@Khafee @Zeeman @Mastankhan @HRK

India can already blockade China's trade route at Andaman Islands. China just wants to secure the CPEC route. CPEC is China's future energy security. Block CPEC and Andaman, China starts losing oil reserves very quickly and its warfighting capability dwindles with each passing hour.

India thought it could choke China's jugular vein by building the requisite infrastructure a stone-throw away from the Karakoram pass - threatening to close it down at its will. The move was a miscalculation and frankly, brash. India doesn't have the economy, military or diplomatic clout to threaten China in any way, let alone at its lifeline.

I'm pretty sure they got a lot of nudges and encouragement from the US to empower its ego. Though I'm not sure how much the US is actually interested in committing. US never attacks directly any enemy that can threaten its mainland in any way. Historically, it solves these sort of problems by arming its opponent and letting CIA loose.

India is pissed scared. They will likely look for a compromise where they get to dismantle their infrastructure and walk away with some sort of face saving maneuver for internal consumption.

China seems to have made the face saving deliberately difficult with yesterday's planned face mauling from a literal stone-throwing distance. India will need to do something drastic to satisfy its local populace, ensuring China has the pretense to escalate. This signals that China is not looking for small measures, it needs to hard-lock CPEC security, completely draining India's options and appetite to block it in the future. Doing so also ensures US loses complete faith in India's ability to disrupt China's security. Whereupon, India will be successfully contained.

totally agree and with this they have already sent a strong signal to the entire world not to even think of causing trouble to CPEC. Yes their $50 billion
investment is insignificant by Chinese standards but the strategic implications of opening another supply line to China avoiding sea lanes is significant. I think Chinese really went over board with a minor skirmish because they wanted to teach India a lesson for all the troubles its been causing in Balochistan. I think the message was well sent.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

totally agree and with this they have already sent a strong signal to the entire world not to even think of causing trouble to CPEC. Yes their $50 billion
investment is insignificant by Chinese standards but the strategic implications of opening another supply line to China avoiding sea lanes is significant. I think Chinese really went over board with a minor skirmish because they wanted to teach India a lesson for all the troubles its been causing in Balochistan. I think the message was well sent.

Right now, Indian forces will be angry, expecting a response from their side. Looking for vengeance. If none comes forth, their morale is going to buried into ground. No IA soldier will be looking forward to eastern deployment, fully expecting a mace to face at any time. Always wary with one foot ready to sprint back. And with the knowledge that no backup or support will come in a timely manner in the sub-zero temperatures and rugged terrain.

India has been downplaying the situation hoping they would come to a amicable solution. China's brutal action was calculated and effective. It left India no choice but to respond.

 

[Zeeman]

Right now, Indian forces will be angry, expecting a response from their side. Looking for vengeance. If none comes forth, their morale is going to buried into ground. No IA soldier will be looking forward to eastern deployment, fully expecting a mace to face at any time. Always wary with one foot ready to sprint back. And with the knowledge that no backup or support will come in a timely manner in the sub-zero temperatures and rugged terrain.

India has been downplaying the situation hoping they would come to a amicable solution. China's brutal action was calculated and effective. It left India no choice but to respond.

Indians are pure coward. They have no ba.... to retaliate. Do you remember when we went and bombed six locations, destroyed their plane and heck they didn't even show up to rescue their pilot. What can you expect from a country like theirs.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Indians are pure coward. They have no ba.... to retaliate. Do you remember when we went and bombed six locations, destroyed their plane and heck they didn't even show up to rescue their pilot. What can you expect from a country like theirs.

They did show up to rescue the pilot on their side. Which then got shot down by their own panicky SAM.

 

[Majjor Sam]

What options left for india both for short and long term ?
Short term
a)retaliate to satisfy its people(impossible as they were pushing it under the carpet from start for an reason they cant fight China even on limited scale )
b)some attack against Pakistan(again hard choice as after 27th they closed many opportunity for them and after getting replied on 27th forget IAF,and their Army and Navy got no such target for political game more danger of its going out of control)
c)safest choice using endian media keep that 1.3 billion indians ,idiots which giving last few year very simple but will damage them in long run

Long term
a)China and Pakistan both will keep and increase pressure
b)have to deployed and spent more resources to keep both in check which is already hard and corona and worst economy will make it harder in coming times
c)loss of strategic value in eyes of US as some Pentagon officials raised question about indian ability after 27th,and after start of recent clash many US journalsit also said here goes Indo-pacific term in drain as india cant protect its own territory,how its gonna help US to contain China as US planned for them
@HRK @Counter-Errorist Between rock and hard place cant describe it properly but using Karachi Tapoori language"""Aagy tambooo peechay bambo"' aab modi apna pichwara kaisay bachayee gaa

Well i do expect indian misadventure against pakistan. Modi can go to any length to save his 56". That's bec our peace overtures for india day and night.

 

[space cadet]

Why the heck would world be looking at China? if anyone who got publicly humiliated and suffered the most losses is India. For all we know India is still looking for almost 30 more missing soldiers. Either they are dead or in Chinese custody.

India's strategic grand dream of neutralizing Chine went down the gutter not in the great tank battle or in the ocean but on a small cliff in Ladakh.
India stands exposed as weak and insignificant adversiry. Imagine how sitting in the West we are watching and reading about this incident.
A wanna be sup power is humiliated by few Chinese using sticks and punches. What Chinese suffered is simply unknown but also insignificant. Headlines are not about them.

Finally Modi came out to say few words and his body language was one of someone who had suffered a devastating loss. After all his entire isolating Pakistan strategy has turned into a completely isolated India. Where is the diplomatic support? why is Russia and America so silent? Heck they just paid America billions in weapons to buy their support.

Not a single headline talked about China's aggression or Chinese losses but about India loosing soldiers and humiliation. Have a look at today"s CNN headline:

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I was looking at reports of them loosing 35 to 43 soldiers, India always looses face, but those would be big loses to China. I hadn't seen any reports of actually what happened, just one report out of China,

“Based on what I know, Chinese side also suffered casualties in the Galwan Valley physical clash,” Hu Xijin tweeted on Tuesday afternoon. He went on to ask India not to misread China’s restraint to be a sign of weakness. “China doesn’t want to have a clash with India, but we don’t fear it,” the editor tweeted.

 

[Zeeman]

Casualties could be injuries ..... Indians have to get their lies straight... if they were unarmed and got attacked by nail studded sticks, barbed wire rocks etc armed Chinese army then they stood no chance of inflicting any injury to the Chinese .

now Indians claim that they fought for eight hours... if they did where were the reinforcements .... if patrol looses contact even for a short period there are backups dispatched immediately..... standard protocol.
So Indians were getting slaughtered and the entire company wiped off and no one came to their rescue?? Speaks volumes about Indian army capabilities and motivations...

 

[space cadet]

Soldiers fell to their deaths as India and China's troops fought with rocks

India shocked by Himalayan border clash in which unarmed troops fought in the dark

www.theguardian.com

Soldiers fell to their deaths as India and China's troops fought with rocks
India shocked by Himalayan border clash in which unarmed troops fought in the dark

The hand-to-hand combat lasted hours, on steep, jagged terrain, with iron bars, rocks and fists. Neither side carried guns. Most of the soldiers killed in the worst fighting between India and China in 60 years lost their footing or were knocked from the narrow Himalayan ridge, plunging to their deaths.
India has reacted with shock and caution to the loss of at least 20 soldiers on its disputed border with China, with images of the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, burned in Indian cities.
In his first public comments on the dispute, prime minister Narendra Modi led a two-minute silence for the killed soldiers and said India would “defend every stone, every inch of its territory.”
“I would like to assure the nation that the sacrifice of our jawans [troops] will not be in vain,” said Modi, speaking at a televised meeting of India’s chief ministers. “For us, the unity and sovereignty of the country is the most important.”
A day after reports of the “violent face-off” in the western Himalayas emerged, Indian news outlets began naming some of the dead and a clearer picture started to build of what transpired on Monday night on the high, steep ridge lines above the fast-flowing Galwan River.

The killings were sparked when a patrol of Indian soldiers encountered Chinese troops in a steep section of the mountainous region they believed the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) had retreated from, in line with a 6 June disengagement agreement, sources in Delhi said. The Indian government have alleged that what followed was a “premeditated” ambush on their troops by PLA forces.
The two armies jostled and hand-to-hand fighting broke out – neither side armed in line with decades of tradition supposed to ward off the possibility of escalation between the nuclear-armed neighbours.
Then an Indian commanding officer was pushed from the narrow ridge and fell to his death in the gorge below.

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Reinforcements from the Indian side were summoned from a post about 2 miles away and eventually about 600 men were fighting with stones, iron rods and other makeshift weapons in near-total darkness for up to six hours, Indian government sources said, with most deaths on both sides occurring from soldiers falling or being knocked from mountain terrain.
At least four more Indian soldiers were said to be in critical condition. Indian media outlets cited intelligence sources claiming up to 50 Chinese soldiers may have been killed in the melee but did not present the evidence. Chinese CCTV’s widely watched evening news broadcast made no mention of the border confrontation on Tuesday

Following a phonecall on Wednesday night between India’s minister for external affairs, Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, and the Chinese foreign minister, Wang Yi, the two sides issued statements agreeing to de-escalation and resolving the conflict “in a responsible manner”.
However, there were also significant discrepancies between the Indian and Chinese version of events. India accused the Chinese troops of violating the disengagement agreement and carrying out a “pre-meditated and planned action” against Indian troops that was “directly responsible for the resulting violence and casualties.

Wang Yi claimed India was solely responsible for the conflict, saying its forces had on three occasions illegally crossed over into the Chinese side of the LAC and demanded Indian punish their forces responsible.
As photos and details of some of the Indian soldiers who died were circulated on Tuesday there were small demonstrations including in Bhopal in Madhya Pradesh state and in the Gujarati city Ahmedabad, where protesters burned pictures of Xi Jinping.

Former Indian army officers argued in fiery television debates that China had unilaterally changed both the status quo on the border and the rules of engagement. “Somebody has to answer for 20 lives,” said retired air vice-marshal Manmohan Bahadur.
But whereas violence in recent years linked to Pakistan has led to aggressive rhetoric and promises of swift retaliation from Indian leaders, Monday’s violence has so far drawn a much more muted response including from Modi.
Analysts said the caution reflected both shock at the scale of the killing and the complexity of the relationship between the two Asian giants. “There is the larger picture of the asymmetries of power,” said Srikanth Kondapalli, a professor of Chinese studies at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi. “China’s GDP is $14tn, India’s is less than $3tn. China spends nearly $220bn on the military but India spends $52bn.”
He said Delhi would be considering whether to ask commanders on the ground to sort out the conflict with their Chinese counterparts, but would also be under pressure to escalate.
The United Nations, EU and US government have expressed concern over the violence and urged restraint.
Beijing has refused to confirm any deaths on its side. However, the editor-in-chief of the state-run the Global Times said he understood there had been Chinese casualties, but the PLA wanted to avoid “stoking public mood” by comparing numbers.
Both parties have been working towards de-escalation in recent weeks but the loss of life makes the situation even more complicated and precarious.
Chinese state media have reported the PLA is conducting joint military exercises “aimed at the destruction of key hostile hubs in a high-elevation mountainous region”. The PLA Tibet Military Command conducted live fire drills with heavy artillery on Tuesday, with reports linking the PLA’s preparedness for high-elevation combat to the clashes with India.

 

[TsAr]

Physical fight with sticks and punches? 20 soldiers killed and 35 missing? Doesn't make any sense. Seems weapons were involved. suprisingly Modi and Shah are quiet. TV channel are blaming military but giving face saving to Modi government. And after this incident expect further clashes. Indians will definitely try to avenge their loss.

This incident happened at night, sticks with barbed wire and stones were used. Most of them dies as they fell from the ridge into the river, Indians did not pick up their wounded and overnight in freezing conditions most of them passed away...

 

[Gripen9]

Don't know if this is real or PS'd. But it seems the chines went full medieval on the Indians.....
First clobbered with the mace head, then violently probed from the other end

 

[Khafee]

Indian PM Modi vows to defend territory after Himalayan clash with China
June 17, 2020
By Don Jacobson

Indian activists in Kolkata on Wednesday hold candles in tribute to Indian soldiers killed this week in a clash with Chinese soldiers in the Himalaya Mountains. Photo by EPA-EFE/STR

June 17 (UPI) -- Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Wednesday said his country will staunchly defend its territory two days after 20 Indian soldiers died in a hand-to-hand clash with Chinese troops in the Himalaya Mountains.

Modi made the vow while speaking during a televised meeting of India's chief ministers, his first public comments since the violent face-off late Monday in the high, narrow ridges of Himalayan range along the India-China border.

"I would like to assure the nation that the sacrifice of our [troops] will not be in vain," the prime minister said. "For us, the unity and sovereignty of the country is the most important."

He added, "India wants peace, but if instigated, India at all costs is capable of giving an appropriate response."

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar talked by phone Wednesday and have agreed to let the situation "cool down" in the aftermath of the incident in the Galwan Valley, located along the "line of control" separating the countries.

Indian Army and Air Force bases along India's Ladakh border with China have been put on high alert, the Times of India reported.

Indian media said conflict involved unarmed troops wielding rocks, nail-studded sticks and other makeshift weapons, fighting hand-to-hand in near-total darkness for up to six hours along the steep passages. Soldiers died when they fell into the gorge below.

Beijing has not admitted any casualties although Indian military officials estimated at least 40 Chinese soldiers were killed or critically injured.

Strong disagreements remained over how the incident began.

The Indian government alleges it was a "premeditated" ambush on its troops by Chinese People's Liberation Army forces, while Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Zhao Lijian on Wednesday said Indian troops "crossed the [line of control between the countries] for illegal activities, and provoked and attacked Chinese personnel."

 

[Khafee]

Fighting broke out between Indian and Chinese troops in a skirmish on Monday. Photo: Handout

 

[Khafee]

PLA reveals live-fire drill in eastern Tibet mountains as China-India border dispute claims at least 20 lives 17.06.2020

• Brigade commander says PLA forces developed combined artillery bombardment with precision sniping and overcoming harsh environment
• China’s military exercise took place more than 1,000km from skirmish site, simulated removing enemy’s fortified positions

The Chinese army has conducted a live-fire drill in Tibet following a deadly clash on the Himalayan border, Chinese state media revealed. Photo: Weibo

The Chinese army carried out a live-fire drill in Tibet as tensions with India escalated following a deadly clashon the disputed Himalayan border, Chinese state media revealed.

The drill simulated removing the enemy’s fortified positions using a joint operation with a brigade – around 7,000 soldiers – of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Tibet military region on a 4,700m-high plateau.

The exercise involved artillery, missiles, aviation, electronic warfare, engineering and special forces. Tanks and drones were also used in live-fire combat, according to the PLA.

The Chinese report, published late on Tuesday, said the drill was held in “recent days” without being specific about the date.

The Tibet military region said via its social media account on Tuesday that the brigade was the only heavy mechanised mixed brigade in the region, which underwent a restructuring during the 2017 Doklam standoff with India.
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In the worst skirmish in decades, India said 20 of its soldiers were killed in the clash. Although Indian media reported that Chinese soldiers had been killed, China officials did not confirm any casualties.

The PLA drill in eastern Tibet involved forces of artillery, missiles, aviation, electronic warfare, engineering, tanks and drones. Photo: Weibo

The Aksai Chin region is guarded by the Xinjiang military region which, like their Tibetan counterpart, is part of the PLA’s Western Theatre Command.

The drill took place in the Nyenchen Tanglha Mountains in eastern Tibet, more than 1,000km away from the site of the deadly clash.

In the war game, the PLA began with reconnaissance and interspersed deployment of forces. It launched sudden artillery fire coverage from both land and air while moving personnel and drones to flanks to clear paths for tanks.

After taking down simulated enemy helicopters with air-defence fire and landing their own airborne special forces, the final rush cleared more than 1,000 targets over an area of tens of square kilometres.

Several of the most advanced weapons displayed at last year’s National Day parade – such as Type 15 lightweight tanks and HJ-10 anti-tank missiles as well as PLZ-07A 122mm self-propelled howitzers and PHL-11 122mm self-propelled rocket launchers – were being deployed and used at high attitude for the first time.

“In the drill our forces overcame the harsh environment, closely coordinated and integrated air and land forces in modules, applied the tactics of whole-area joint attack and three-dimensional penetration to seize control, combining the artillery bombardment with precision sniping, as well as drone reconnaissance and strike,” said the brigade commander, Zhang Jialin.

The Chinese military has stepped up deployment along the border region since tensions with India flared up in early May.

In early June, state television reported a fast deployment, in which a whole brigade was moved from the central province of Hubei to a “northwestern plateau” in a few hours.

As well as hundreds of armoured vehicles in desert camouflage and a large amount of equipment, thousands of paratroopers were sent by civilian transport including chartered passenger flights and high-speed rail to begin training on the plateau.