Egyptian Mirage V Horus released after stiff opposition from India.

[Gripen9]

I dont think pakistan has ever gotten any missiles with previous mirage purchases or else we would have MICA on the mirages instead of aim 9

Were any of them upgraded to fire MICAs?. These Egyptian Mirages, specifically the 23 HORUS have been upgraded to fire MICAs.

As part of ROSE 1 upgrade, we had No 7 SQN mirages upgraded with Grio-M radar. Rumor is that we did mate it with a South African BVR missile (most probably R-Darter). But we never saw them. ROSE II, III upgrades were predominantly getting night strike capabilities to the Mirage V airframes.

 

[Nightfox]

Then

Were any of them upgraded to fire MICAs?. These Egyptian Mirages, specifically the 23 HORUS have been upgraded to fire MICAs.

As part of ROSE 1 upgrade, we had No 7 SQN mirages upgraded with Grio-M radar. Rumor is that we did mate it with a South African BVR missile (most probably R-Darter). But we never saw them. ROSE II, III upgrades were predominantly getting night strike capabilities to the Mirage V airframes.

Then were any of the previous morage deliveries from across the world accompanied by any missiles ?

 

[Gripen9]

Then

Then were any of the previous morage deliveries from across the world accompanied by any missiles ?

No missile. Almost all of the previous acquisitions (AUS, Libya, Lebanon, Spain) were mothballed airframes that were brought to airworthiness @ PAC. Ones bought from France were upgraded to ROSE std in france and flown from there.
HORUS Mirages are unique due to being upgraded fairly recently and were in active service until Egypt started getting slush fund Rafales & Mig29/35s.

Scroll back to my initial postings on this topic, and you will read what I had written. In my opinion, we will not get MICAs from Egypt as they use them on their M2ks. But since they have the requisite "plumbing", you can acquire the missile from other sources.

 

[Nightfox]

No missile. Almost all of the previous acquisitions (AUS, Libya, Lebanon, Spain) were mothballed airframes that were brought to airworthiness @ PAC. Ones bought from France were upgraded to ROSE std in france and flown from there.
HORUS Mirages are unique due to being upgraded fairly recently and were in active service until Egypt started getting slush fund Rafales & Mig29/35s.

Scroll back to my initial postings on this topic, and you will read what I had written. In my opinion, we will not get MICAs from Egypt as they use them on their M2ks. But since they have the requisite "plumbing", you can acquire the missile from other sources.

Understood thanks

 

[capricorn5192]

No missile. Almost all of the previous acquisitions (AUS, Libya, Lebanon, Spain) were mothballed airframes that were brought to airworthiness @ PAC. Ones bought from France were upgraded to ROSE std in france and flown from there.
HORUS Mirages are unique due to being upgraded fairly recently and were in active service until Egypt started getting slush fund Rafales & Mig29/35s.

Scroll back to my initial postings on this topic, and you will read what I had written. In my opinion, we will not get MICAs from Egypt as they use them on their M2ks. But since they have the requisite "plumbing", you can acquire the missile from other sources.

If France does not sale us the MICA Missiles, what are the other sources where we can acquire from, any third country with the approval of France or black market?

 

[Gripen9]

If France does not sale us the MICA Missiles, what are the other sources where we can acquire from, any third country with the approval of France or black market?

Best bet would be UAE

 

[Nightfox]

Best bet would be UAE

Why would they when they have their own aircaft to load them on and i dont think they would be retiring the M2K anytime soon

 

[Gripen9]

Why would they when they have their own aircaft to load them on and i dont think they would be retiring the M2K anytime soon

That is a good question... short answer geopolitics.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Why would they when they have their own aircaft to load them on and i dont think they would be retiring the M2K anytime soon

They could buy a certain amount of new MICA missiles...
...while Pak could pay them for that suspiciously same amount of missiles of their older stock of MICA under the table.

So UAE gets to keep the amount it normally stocks...and Pakistan gets a few as well.

 

[Nightfox]

They could buy a certain amount of new MICA missiles...
...while Pak could pay them for that suspiciously same amount of missiles of their older stock of MICA under the table.

If only life was this easy we could buy every aircraft through the middle east without worrying about sanctions

 

[Cookie Monster]

If only life was this easy we could buy every aircraft through the middle east without worrying about sanctions

Aircrafts are a lot more obvious to do something like this...it's easier to do with parts...and by that reasoning MICA.
Iran has bought F4 and Mig parts(while officially sanctioned) through various unauthorized buyers...there are other examples of other countries doing the same.

 

[Mingle]

23 of those mirages were upgraded by SAGEM in 2008 with RC400 Radar, digital cockpit, FLIR and capability to fire MICA missiles. Speculation is these will be inducted into service rather then canablize for spares.

Any pic of digital cockpit?

 

[space cadet]

23 of those mirages were upgraded by SAGEM in 2008 with RC400 Radar, digital cockpit, FLIR and capability to fire MICA missiles. Speculation is these will be inducted into service rather then canablize for spares.

maybe that was what was being said while hoping the sale gets approved

 

[Mingle]

Libyan Mirages were in good shape 27Sqdn is made by them at Shorkot.since @Gripen9 saying 23 are in good shape expect another Sqdn of Mirages and rest few will replace piece to piece on other Sqdn

 

[Gripen9]

maybe that was what was being said while hoping the sale gets approved

Yes, it was stated as "buying mothballed airframes for cannibalization". Apparently our neighbor to the east was getting bent out of shape at Pakistan acquiring a 50 year old aircraft.