Egyptian Mirage V Horus released after stiff opposition from India.

[Cookie Monster]

It seems we only have 1 active F-7P/FT-7P sqn - 18 SQN used for LIFT plus another F-7P SQN/Det in CCS (So 36 active aircraft).
Most probably F16B72 or could be follow on order of JF17B

Then we have 3 relatively new F-7PG sqn (17,20,23). These are Grifo7 equipped and very good point defense fighters inducted around 2000-2002. These would be the last to go. Most probably F16B70/V

Now 8/15/22 are the oldest non ROSE Mirage Sqns plus 1 CCS mirage sqn so 64 aircraft.
One of 15/22 will most probably re-equip with Horus Mirages (if we got them). Second one will get J10Ps
8 SQN is Maritime strike Agave/Exocet- although we now have No 2 SQN JF17 armed with with CM400-AKG and C803 for MR duties, these may soldier on for a while.
We maybe raising new SQNs to operate J15 altogether.

I think the LIFT ones should be kept. Pak should forgo the purchase of a dedicated LIFT platform it was looking for(considering all the other purchases being made). Use all the F7s being replaced for spare parts to keep the LIFT F7s in good shape and make do with it as a LIFT for a decade or so.

 

[Armchair]

I think the LIFT ones should be kept. Pak should forgo the purchase of a dedicated LIFT platform it was looking for(considering all the other purchases being made). Use all the F7s being replaced for spare parts to keep the LIFT F7s in good shape and make do with it as a LIFT for a decade or so.

Modern LIFT requirements are not met by F-7s. They can still be used, but it is a suboptimal choice.

 

[capricorn5192]

Modern LIFT requirements are not met by F-7s. They can still be used, but it is a suboptimal choice.

A question, can K-8 doesn't meet our LIFT requirements?

 

[Armchair]

A question, can K-8 doesn't meet our LIFT requirements?

No it can't. You need FBW and certain aerodynamic and kinematics to effectively utilize LIFT. LIFT will also enable you to lower the cost of keeping an operational fleet of high end fighters, as they can be utilized to mimic other fighter planes - thus lowering the cost of keeping your fighters trained in a particular type.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Modern LIFT requirements are not met by F-7s. They can still be used, but it is a suboptimal choice.

Yes I'm aware...but PAF has been managing with it as a LIFT platform(in absence of a modern platform like the Italian option that was being looked at)...
...to train all pilots...which then go on to pilot Mirages, F16s, F7s, and JF17s. Since the platforms are more or less the same(Mirages, JF17, F16s) with the exception of J15s and J10s...I think PAF can still manage for another decade or so.

 

[capricorn5192]

No it can't. You need FBW and certain aerodynamic and kinematics to effectively utilize LIFT. LIFT will also enable you to lower the cost of keeping an operational fleet of high end fighters, as they can be utilized to mimic other fighter planes - thus lowering the cost of keeping your fighters trained in a particular type.

Thanks

 

[Mingle]

Modern LIFT requirements are not met by F-7s. They can still be used, but it is a suboptimal choice.

Read somewhere sharpshooters at Alam base Mianwali will be replace by JF-17B as LIFT PAF inducting 26 Bravo

 

[Armchair]

There will always be some F-7s for CCS and DACT, but in terms of operational squadrons, F-7Ps are already replaced and done with.

 

[Cookie Monster]

There will always be some F-7s for CCS and DACT, but in terms of operational squadrons, F-7Ps are already replaced and done with.

That is great to hear...they were getting really old and hazardous for PAF pilots.

 

[Mingle]

It seems we only have 1 active F-7P/FT-7P sqn - 18 SQN used for LIFT plus another F-7P SQN/Det in CCS (So 36 active aircraft).
Most probably F16B72 or could be follow on order of JF17B

Then we have 3 relatively new F-7PG sqn (17,20,23). These are Grifo7 equipped and very good point defense fighters inducted around 2000-2002. These would be the last to go. Most probably F16B70/V

Now 8/15/22 are the oldest non ROSE Mirage Sqns plus 1 CCS mirage sqn so 64 aircraft.
One of 15/22 will most probably re-equip with Horus Mirages (if we got them). Second one will get J10Ps
8 SQN is Maritime strike Agave/Exocet- although we now have No 2 SQN JF17 armed with with CM400-AKG and C803 for MR duties, these may soldier on for a while.
We maybe raising new SQNs to operate J15 altogether.

Non Rose will go along J

There will always be some F-7s for CCS and DACT, but in terms of operational squadrons, F-7Ps are already replaced and done with.

Maybe for CSS they will but sharpshooters will go Soon this CAS wants dedicated LIFT like M346 or L15 but someone said on twitter that JF17B will be LIFT too let's see PG will stay here for sure

 

[Cookie Monster]

Non Rose will go along J

Maybe for CSS they will but sharpshooters will go Soon this CAS wants dedicated LIFT like M346 or L15 but someone said on twitter that JF17B will be LIFT too let's see PG will stay here for sure

Yeah there was interest in LIFT...and the Italian M346 was looked at...but then for some reason the interest faded. If JF17B is used for LIFT it will use precious hours on the frame of an actual JF17B that can be better used elsewhere for another role. In that case M346 would be a better option.

 

[Gripen9]

F-7s should not be fazed out. I see the PGs remaining till 2025-30. Very low cost, with very cheap spare parts that are easily available. F-7Ps are all gone now.

F7PG is a very potent point defense fighter. It relishes a true dog fight even with F16s.

 

[Scorpio]

Non Rose will go along J

Maybe for CSS they will but sharpshooters will go Soon this CAS wants dedicated LIFT like M346 or L15 but someone said on twitter that JF17B will be LIFT too let's see PG will stay here for sure

Downgrade (water down version) trainer version JF17B i.e JF17BT can work very well for LIFT or OCU in future without inductions of any new plateform.
It will be alot advantages
cost effective
no maintenance dependency
Future option to pitch thandar in role of advance trainer too

 

[Junaid]

F 7/FT 7 is a very unforgiving a.c. N to use it as LIFT was not a good idea to begin with.
They replaced FT5 which was a very "easy" a.c.

 

[Armchair]

Downgrade (water down version) trainer version JF17B i.e JF17BT can work very well for LIFT or OCU in future without inductions of any new plateform.
It will be alot advantages
cost effective
no maintenance dependency
Future option to pitch thandar in role of advance trainer too

Yes, that was an idea I was floating on another part of the internet : )

"JF-17 Lite". Would make an excellent, low cost LIFT as well as an even cheaper option for third world air forces.

For this to be truly low cost, a simplified, easy to maintain engine needs to be made. Basically you can take the WS-13 or RD-93 and use more basic metallurgy to build an engine out of mainly steel and aluminum. Decrease the rating of the engine to about 70% of RD-93 thrust.

Additionally, you could lighten the airframe and build a stripped down version that can only do 5Gs.

When you combine these two solutions, you get a very low cost and highly exportable JFT "Lite", perhaps in the ballpark of $10 million. Pretty much nothing can compete with that in the international market.