Indonesian Armed Forces

[Kusumo]

Vipers

 

[Kusumo]

US approves sale of AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Missiles to Indonesia

The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Indonesia for AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Missiles and associated equipment, parts and logistical support for an estimated cost of $47 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Government of Indonesia has requested a possible sale of 30 AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Block II All-Up-Round Missiles, 20 AIM-9X-2 Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM), 2 CATM-9X-2 Block II Tactical Missile Guidance Units, 4 CATM-9X-2 Block II Guidance Units, and 2 Dummy Air Training Missiles, containers, test sets and support equipment, spare and repair parts, publications and technical documents, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical assistance, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated cost is $47 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy objectives and national security interests of the United States by making Indonesia more capable of defeating threats to regional stability and strengthening its homeland defense. It will lessen the probability that Indonesia will need to rely upon deployment of U.S. combat forces to maintain or restore stability in the region.

The proposed sale also will improve Indonesia’s capability in current and future coalition efforts. Acquisition of the AIM-9X missile supports Indonesia’s efforts to become a more capable defensive force and will also provide key elements required for interoperability with U.S. forces. Indonesia should have no difficulty absorbing this new capability into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this weapon system will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/indonesia-aim-9x-2-sidewinder-missiles

 

[Kusumo]

Indonesia to buy 36 AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM


WASHINGTON, Mar. 10, 2016 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Indonesia for AIM-120C-7 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAMs), equipment, training, and logistics support. The estimated cost is $95 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on March 9, 2016.

The Government of Indonesia has requested a possible sale of thirty-six (36) AIM-120C-7 AMRAAMs and one (1) Missile Guidance Section. Also included in this possible sale are; control section support equipment, spare parts, services, logistics, technical contractor engineering and technical support, loading adaptors, technical publications, familiarization training, test equipment, and other related elements. The total estimated value of MDE is $80 million. The overall total estimated value is $95 million.

This proposed sale contributes to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a key partner that has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability and economic progress in the Asia-Pacific region.

The proposed sale improves Indonesia’s capability to deter regional threats and strengthen its homeland defense. Indonesia is able to absorb this additional equipment and support into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support does not alter the basic military balance in the region.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sale...dvanced-medium-range-air-air-missiles-amraams

 

[Kusumo]

Banda Aceh class LPD (593) & Sigma 9113 Guided Missile Corvette KRI Sultan Iskandar Muda (367) during RIMPAC 2014

 

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Marines Special Forces DENJAKA during Indonesian Marines Anniversary

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T50i Golden Eagle (Lead in Fighter Trainer)

mini T50i

 

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Air Platforms

South Korea selects GE as KFX engine provider
Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
27 May 2016

The South Korean KFX fifth-generation fighter project is progressing with the recent announcement of a radar supplier
and now the selection of GE to provide the engines. Source: IHS/Gareth Jennings


South Korea has selected General Electric (GE) to provide the powerplant for its developmental KFX fifth-generation fighter aircraft, national media reported on 26 May.

The US company has been chosen over its European rival Eurojet to provide engines for 120 of the twin-jet aircraft that are to be built under the KRW18 trillion (USD15.3 billion) KFX project, according to the Yanhop News Agency.

GE's bid was centred around its F414 turbofan, which powers the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, while Eurojet was pushing its EJ200, which powers the Eurofighter Typhoon. IHS Jane's previously reported that the winning engine would be decided on performance, price, and proposed defence offset packages including technology transfer deals. At least half of the engine's components are expected to be manufactured in South Korea.

Under the terms of the deal, Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) will assume the role of the prime contractor as the overall lead for the KFX programme, although it is likely to subcontract to other South Korean companies that specialise in aviation powerplants, such as Hanwha Techwin, Korean Air Aerospace Division, Korea Lost-Wax, Nexcoms, Neuros, and Yulkok. According to the Yanhop News Agency report, GE is expected to receive a contract in June.

The Korean Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) recently selected Hanwha Thales as the preferred bidder for the aircraft's radar system. The powerplant selection is a major milestone in the administration's bid to begin building KFX fighters by the end of the 2020s.

http://www.janes.com/article/60777/south-korea-selects-ge-as-kfx-engine-provider

 

[Kusumo]

Industry

Test-fired PINDAD' SPR2 & SPR3 sniper rifle.
Location: King Abdullah Special Operations Training Center, Amman (KASOTC)

credit: @pr1v4t33r

Indonesian marines recon spec.ops with Pindad SPR2 anti-materiel rifle

The SPR-2 is a modern anti-materiel rifle of Indonesian origin. It was developed as a low cost alternative to the various Western anti-materiel rifles. The SPR-2 has been heavily inspired by the Serbian M93 Black Eagle and the overall looks are similar.

The SPR-2 is based around the receiver which houses the bolt action mechanism and detachable magazine. An adjustable skeleton buttstock with monopod, a carrying handle and bipod are fitted. The free float barrel is fluted and features a large muzzle brake. An optical sight is fitted and back up iron sights are not present.

The SPR-2 fires the 12.7x99mm NATO round out to ranges of about 1.5 km. The detachable magazine holds five rounds. Accuracy is believed to be good but not on par with Western rifles

The SPR-2 is used by various Indonesian special forces and law enforcement units. It might be available for export.

http://www.pindad.com/spr-2-kal-12-7-mm
http://www.pindad.com/spr-3-cal-762-mm
http://weaponsystems.net/weaponsystem/AA05 - SPR-2.html

 

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Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL) BAE F2000 Multi Role Corvette
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bung_Tomo-class_corvette

Firing exocet mm40 blok 2

Scheduled maintenance at PT. PAL shipyard

 

[vash]

Indonesia is a country made of many islands. Is it necessary to have so many tanks and APCs? How is their force projection capability? Can they move these tanks and APCs freely to any island they want at the first notice?

If I were them, I'd focus on naval and air power. Submarines, destroyers, aircraft carrier would be particular useful.
Large transport ships and planes are also needed to move the forces around the different islands when needed.

 

[Kusumo]

Indonesia is a country made of many islands. Is it necessary to have so many tanks and APCs? How is their force projection capability? Can they move these tanks and APCs freely to any island they want at the first notice?

If I were them, I'd focus on naval and air power. Submarines, destroyers, aircraft carrier would be particular useful.
Large transport ships and planes are also needed to move the forces around the different islands when needed.

Hello vash, thanks for questioning by the way

Well perhaps as I'm the only one indonesian here's so its my obligation to answer your question.

I've been around for some military defense forum before this one, and a number of foreign members who keep asking the same question like you did are increasing. But its okkay I can understand that.
I can assume you must be doesn't know and didn't observe much about Indonesia before asking those question.

Ok let me start from here..

Do you know indonesia is a country with 741.050 square miles spread and divided into three time zones just like U.S. between Los Angles to New York?

Do you know we also have 5 big island as well to host ground combat like Sumatera, Java, Kalimantan, Sulawesi and West Papua?

Yes, u are right Indonesia is archipelagic nation with 17.537 island in total but more than half of those numbers are unpopulated islands.


So back to your question...

Indonesia have 450.000+ in total active personel from the Army, Navy and Air Force. Also have another 400.000+ troops as reserve. In that number do you really think Indonesian troops does not need APC's?

Do you know Indonesia doesn't have any MBT before this acquisitions?

We have hundred's of light tanks in the Army and Marines but none of them are MBT.

Do you really think 103 Leopard 2 MBT that Indonesia recently buy from Germany is enough for a country with 741.050 squaire miles area to covered?


And this is the most interesting part....

Then what do you think about tiny little red dot on a map country like Singapore? Do you know our tiny neighbours state country Singapore have 182 Leopard 2A4 MBT plus there's a report they will add another 50 Merkava MK4 MBT in their arsenal. Is it suit your logic??

http://singsupplies.com/showthread.php?185220-Singapore-buys-tanks-Merkava-Mk-4

Yes there's an old song sing like they have right to defence because they were surounded by moslem nation (a.k.a. Malaysia and Indonesia) and another bla.. bla.. bla.. and bla.. bla.. bla..

But still considering its size of their country is it suit your logic to have so many MBT in such a tiny city state country like Singapore?


What about Indonesia?

To be honest I personally think the number of 103 Leopard 2 MBT we just recently acquired is ridiculous.

IMO Indonesian Army should have at least 2000 MBT ideally although Indonesia is an archipelagic country considering how far and how big its territory.

Just put one or two tank battalion to guard each of its big island like Sumatra, Java, Kalimantan for example to host ground combat anytime if needed when the aggressor comes. No need to transport those tanks between the islands. Its Indonesian Marines job to do amphibious landing assault not the Army.

Look at our ASEAN neighbours around like Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar, Laos all of this country have MBT (except Philippines). Of course Indonesian Army also want that toy's.

If you ever been traveling to Indonesia for vacation to some of places like Java, Sulawesi, or Papua and knowing for a country at this size doesn't have any MBT for their Army I'm sure you must be saying "what the f**k with this country!!"


About naval power?

Yes, curently Indonesia still upgrading their naval power to meet its standard requirement
Its already stated by our president Joko Widodo, Indonesia should be a maritime power and his administration will support any of it.

These are assets owned by the Indonesian navy's itself
1 LPD Hospital Ship 125m
4 LPD 125m Amphibius Assault
21 LST 90m to 115m (+2 under construction)
55 Aircraft (Include 8 MPA)
2 Submarine (+3 under construction)
6 Frigates (+2 under construction)
10 Guided Missile Corvette
16 ASW Corvette
21 Fast Missile Boat 40m & 60m (equip with C705 and C802 asm)
51 Patrol Craft
12 Minesweeper
2 Hydro-oceanografi vessel

The number of hardwares will keep increasing if I'm adding Marines equipment on the list. its just I'm too lazzy for it, sorry mate

However I'm 10.000% agree with you about Destroyer, that's what Indonesian Navy still lack behind. We desperately need it in large number to balance power with China aggression in our souvereignty Natuna island.

Aircraft carrier? Still long way to go to meet our doctrine, Of course we Indonesian dream about it. it just we focus to be good on self defence first and we already have so many islands with airstrip we can use as unsinkable aircraft carriers, just like what China build in south china sea.

at this moment Indonesia might be doesn't have a powerful naval force and air force to counter balance with its future aggressor. Our more powerful enemy might rule our sky.. our enemy might rule our sea.. but to win a war there must boots on the ground. Thats why everybody love and need tanks. Ground troops always and will always be the last defender.

 

[Kusumo]

Indonesian Navy Sigma 9113 Guided Missile Corvette

Good looking corvette

RIMPAC 2014

 

[vash]

Hi kusumo,

The example of Singapore is quite different. They are a single island state. So all of their forces are focused at one place. There is no need for them to move their MBT to a different island unless they decide to invade others. If they are invaded, there is only one place for the enemies to land. Their one and only home island. So their all of their MBTs are at one place for home island defense.

Indonesia is a different scenario. I am not saying you do not need strong ground force, but it is not likely you can win the war if you have lost the control of sky and sea in the first place. The best defense for an island nation is to stop the enemy at the sea. In the case one or more of your islands are invaded by enemy landing force, you will unlikely to even land your MBTs there to repel them if your navy and air force can't at least partially control the air and sea in that particular area. Not to mention all the force projection capability you need to move around your own MBTs and other ground forces.



Even if you drag the possible dispute with China on a single island, it will not be decided by any ground force in case there is a real conflict. Conflict involving island dispute will be fought between navies and air force. All ground force you have already landed on the island will be sitting ducks if you can't protect them from the air and sea.

Guess what? Even a country like China can only move about 3 divisions by transport at one time... if their air force and navy can provide enough escort to ensure they are not shot down / sunk on the way.

Hello vash, thanks for questioning by the way

Well perhaps as I'm the only one indonesian here's so its my obligation to answer your question.

I've been around for some military defense forum before this one, and a number of foreign members who keep asking the same question like you did are increasing. But its okkay I can understand that.
I can assume you must be doesn't know and didn't observe much about Indonesia before asking those question.

Ok let me start from here..

Do you know indonesia is a country with 741.050 square miles spread and divided into three time zones just like U.S. between Los Angles to New York?

Do you know we also have 5 big island as well to host ground combat like Sumatera, Java, Kalimantan, Sulawesi and West Papua?

Yes, u are right Indonesia is archipelagic nation with 17.537 island in total but more than half of those numbers are unpopulated islands.


So back to your question...

Indonesia have 450.000+ in total active personel from the Army, Navy and Air Force. Also have another 400.000+ troops as reserve. In that number do you really think Indonesian troops does not need APC's?

Do you know Indonesia doesn't have any MBT before this acquisitions?

We have hundred's of light tanks in the Army and Marines but none of them are MBT.

Do you really think 103 Leopard 2 MBT that Indonesia recently buy from Germany is enough for a country with 741.050 squaire miles area to covered?


And this is the most interesting part....

Then what do you think about tiny little red dot on a map country like Singapore? Do you know our tiny neighbours state country Singapore have 182 Leopard 2A4 MBT plus there's a report they will add another 50 Merkava MK4 MBT in their arsenal. Is it suit your logic??

http://singsupplies.com/showthread.php?185220-Singapore-buys-tanks-Merkava-Mk-4

Yes there's an old song sing like they have right to defence because they were surounded by moslem nation (a.k.a. Malaysia and Indonesia) and another bla.. bla.. bla.. and bla.. bla.. bla..

But still considering its size of their country is it suit your logic to have so many MBT in such a tiny city state country like Singapore?


What about Indonesia?

To be honest I personally think the number of 103 Leopard 2 MBT we just recently acquired is ridiculous.

IMO Indonesian Army should have at least 2000 MBT ideally although Indonesia is an archipelagic country considering how far and how big its territory.

Just put one or two tank battalion to guard each of its big island like Sumatra, Java, Kalimantan for example to host ground combat anytime if needed when the aggressor comes. No need to transport those tanks between the islands. Its Indonesian Marines job to do amphibious landing assault not the Army.

Look at our ASEAN neighbours around like Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar, Laos all of this country have MBT (except Philippines). Of course Indonesian Army also want that toy's.

If you ever been traveling to Indonesia for vacation to some of places like Java, Sulawesi, or Papua and knowing for a country at this size doesn't have any MBT for their Army I'm sure you must be saying "what the f**k with this country!!"


About naval power?

Yes, curently Indonesia still upgrading their naval power to meet its standard requirement
Its already stated by our president Joko Widodo, Indonesia should be a maritime power and his administration will support any of it.

These are assets owned by the Indonesian navy's itself
1 LPD Hospital Ship 125m
4 LPD 125m Amphibius Assault
21 LST 90m to 115m (+2 under construction)
55 Aircraft (Include 8 MPA)
2 Submarine (+3 under construction)
6 Frigates (+2 under construction)
10 Guided Missile Corvette
16 ASW Corvette
21 Fast Missile Boat 40m & 60m (equip with C705 and C802 asm)
51 Patrol Craft
12 Minesweeper
2 Hydro-oceanografi vessel

The number of hardwares will keep increasing if I'm adding Marines equipment on the list. its just I'm too lazzy for it, sorry mate

However I'm 10.000% agree with you about Destroyer, that's what Indonesian Navy still lack behind. We desperately need it in large number to balance power with China aggression in our souvereignty Natuna island.

Aircraft carrier? Still long way to go to meet our doctrine, Of course we Indonesian dream about it. it just we focus to be good on self defence first and we already have so many islands with airstrip we can use as unsinkable aircraft carriers, just like what China build in south china sea.

at this moment Indonesia might be doesn't have a powerful naval force and air force to counter balance with its future aggressor. Our more powerful enemy might rule our sky.. our enemy might rule our sea.. but to win a war there must boots on the ground. Thats why everybody love and need tanks. Ground troops always and will always be the last defender.

 

[Kusumo]

Ukraine Tests Upgraded BTR-4 for Marine Corps of Unnamed Country

Test the modified export version of wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-4 for named "Bucephalus" for the Marine Corps on Saltov reservoir in the Kharkiv region. May 2016 Source: Press service of the National Guard of Ukraine

The National Academy of the National Guard of Ukraine issued a video of the test afloat on Saltov (Pecheniz'ke) reservoir in the Kharkov region of the modified export version of wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-4 development and production of SOE "Kharkiv Morozov Design Bureau named" (KMDB). Armored personnel carrier in the configuration proposed for the Marine one of the unnamed countries.

Apparently, this country is Indonesia. Recall that in February 2014 in Jakarta was initialed draft contract for the acquisition of five BTR-4 as trial batch for Indonesian Marines, and discussed the possibility of subsequent purchases of 50 BTR-4 for the Indonesian Marine Corps.

However, in May 2014 the Minister of Defence of Indonesia, said the refusal of the acquisition of 50 BTR-4 in view of the wars in Ukraine. Agreement for the supply of test five BTR-4, perhaps after a long pause, now to be effective.

Source:
http://vpk.name/news/156723_ispyita...netransportera_btr4_dlya_morskoi_pehotyi.html
http://defense-studies.blogspot.co.id/2016/06/ukraine-tests-upgraded-btr-4-for-marine.html?m=1

Apparently this just a rumours. However it seem a very legit sources. If this true, then I'm sure it will sharpen Indonesian Marine Corp amphibious landing assault capability which previously already have hundred's of amphibious landing platforms such as BMP-2, BMP-3F, PT-76, BTR-50, BTR-80, and AAV7-A1.

 

[Kusumo]

Hi kusumo,

The example of Singapore is quite different. They are a single island state. So all of their forces are focused at one place. There is no need for them to move their MBT to a different island unless they decide to invade others. If they are invaded, there is only one place for the enemies to land. Their one and only home island. So their all of their MBTs are at one place for home island defense.

Indonesia is a different scenario. I am not saying you do not need strong ground force, but it is not likely you can win the war if you have lost the control of sky and sea in the first place. The best defense for an island nation is to stop the enemy at the sea. In the case one or more of your islands are invaded by enemy landing force, you will unlikely to even land your MBTs there to repel them if your navy and air force can't at least partially control the air and sea in that particular area. Not to mention all the force projection capability you need to move around your own MBTs and other ground forces.



Even if you drag the possible dispute with China on a single island, it will not be decided by any ground force in case there is a real conflict. Conflict involving island dispute will be fought between navies and air force. All ground force you have already landed on the island will be sitting ducks if you can't protect them from the air and sea.

Guess what? Even a country like China can only move about 3 divisions by transport at one time... if their air force and navy can provide enough escort to ensure they are not shot down / sunk on the way.

Sure mate.. I know exactly what you mean

But despite all of the tool's and its strategy we need, it all comes to the budget we have. As you know Indonesia is not a rich country interms of defence budget. Indonesia are not superpower in economy, in ASEAN regional maybe but not yet in Asia, not in the world, neither its military. Indonesia is still a third world country and developing. and please, you came from a superpower country in this planet, dude. sure its like heaven and earth when you see us. We only can spend 0.8 % of our GDP which is around 7 to 9 billion USD /years, while yours at 664 billion USD for 2011 alone. We cant be like North Korea where its have awesome nukes powered military while their peoples starving to death. There are other important thing at the same time Indonesian Govt should to think about such economy and welfare to our people. We're the 4th most populus nation in the world remember? Sure hells there's alot of mouth to be feed on. The only thing we Indonesian can do right now is to keep doing well in bussines to increase our GDP which automaticly will raise our defence budget at the same time we give more welfare to our people. After that, then we can start to think about destroyer, more submarines and aircraft carries like you say. But to say an Aircraft Carriers or destroyers to a country like indonesia isnt make any sense for our curent budget at this moment. Yes we want, but we just cant afford it right now. Our strategic budget for Navy only enough to afford 3 submarines which still being build at South Korea, and 2 sigma frigates also being under constrution in PT. PAL, and some other fast missile boat. Its already way way much budget rather than our Army got even with this Leopard 2 puchase combined with Apache gunship soon we gonna received from your govt.

We're realized where is our weakness if we have to come and deal with aerial power. Thats why we play our part in diplomatic relation. to maintain relation as good and as long as possible. while in the back we still keep sharpening our sword.

I know.. I know.. maybe this kind of thingking sounds lame and sucks for you. personaly I feel the same way either. But thats we Indonesian people have to deal with. Like it or not. This is Indonesia. With all the good and bad. It is what it is and as Indonesian I should accept it.