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I haven't seen any of Iran's military ''made'' machines function. Its always on display.
Are you sure ?

So that's what it is ,for example ballistic missiles ( Sejil-1/2/3 , Ghadr-110 , Emad , Fateh 313 ) and cruise missiles ( ghadir ,
ghader , ya-ali , Soumar ) and air defence system ( Raad , third of khordad , tabas , bavar 373 , sayyad 2/3/4 ) and uav ( rq-170 , shahed-129 / 123 / 125 , fotros ) and moudge-class frigate and many radars and etc !

2. the arabian gulf is small its not the Atlantic ocean. so where will they hide from our air force ?
The UN insists on the necessity of using the historical name "Persian "



Source : خلیج فارس - ویکی‌پدیا، دانشنامهٔ آزاد
 
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Are you sure ?

So that's what it is ,for example ballistic missiles ( Sejil-1/2/3 , Ghadr-110 , Emad , Fateh 313 ) and cruise missiles ( ghadir ,
ghader , ya-ali , Soumar ) and air defence system ( Raad , third of khordad , tabas , bavar 373 , sayyad 2/3/4 ) and uav ( rq-170 , shahed-129 / 123 / 125 , fotros ) and moudge-class frigate and many radars and etc !



The UN insists on the necessity of using the historical name "Persian "



Source : خلیج فارس - ویکی‌پدیا، دانشنامهٔ آزاد
What are the chances those missiles can escape such advanced defense system like TAAD and PAC-3? BTW all the missiles you mentioned are unguided therefore, there is a doubt in their effectiveness.

As for the Persian vs Arabian Gulf there are many historical proofs and we are not bound to the UN in its selection.
 

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Are you sure ?

So that's what it is ,for example ballistic missiles ( Sejil-1/2/3 , Ghadr-110 , Emad , Fateh 313 ) and cruise missiles ( ghadir ,
ghader , ya-ali , Soumar ) and air defence system ( Raad , third of khordad , tabas , bavar 373 , sayyad 2/3/4 ) and uav ( rq-170 , shahed-129 / 123 / 125 , fotros ) and moudge-class frigate and many radars and etc !
Old soviet and NK tech and some copy paste of Chinese missiles. They have no major role to play in the presence of advanced and sophisticated defense system. The mullahs are fooling their people. Whatever you see is for public consumption only.
 

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Are they still fielding the Chinese MiG-21 copy in a front-line role...and do they still use the two-seater variant as a trainer?

(Kind of surprised to see it being used as a trainer, considering it is a bit of a handful at lower speeds)
 

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Iran's weaponry capabilities seem to be woefully outdated. This is understandable, However, because, for embargoes against the country. However, now that the embargoes have been somewhat lifted, I am expecting them to seek to ramp up their capabilities, especially in light of the growing threat of conflict between them and Saudi Arabia.
 

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Are they still fielding the Chinese MiG-21 copy in a front-line role...and do they still use the two-seater variant as a trainer?

(Kind of surprised to see it being used as a trainer, considering it is a bit of a handful at lower speeds)
Yes they still field 20 F-7s (Chinese equivalents/copies of the MIG-21) and as far as they have 5 FT-7 trainers that are 2 seated trainers. What many people don't know is Iran is a large country with a very small amount of equipment
 

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Iran's weaponry capabilities seem to be woefully outdated. This is understandable, However, because, for embargoes against the country. However, now that the embargoes have been somewhat lifted, I am expecting them to seek to ramp up their capabilities, especially in light of the growing threat of conflict between them and Saudi Arabia.
they are starting to buy some newer technology. i heard recently they actually signed a deal with Russia to license produce SU-30SMs and possibly to procure KA-226s and to buy "Hundreds" of MI-8/17 transport helicopters. However Iran may have an outdated military, well for the most part but they had to learn to produce equipment to survive. However the problem was most of their deals with Russia and China faltered for multiple reasons.
They actually won't procure jets from China because they don't favor them because of the crashes and with Russia its because of the finances.
 

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they are starting to buy some newer technology. i heard recently they actually signed a deal with Russia to license produce SU-30SMs and possibly to procure KA-226s and to buy "Hundreds" of MI-8/17 transport helicopters. However Iran may have an outdated military, well for the most part but they had to learn to produce equipment to survive. However the problem was most of their deals with Russia and China faltered for multiple reasons.
They actually won't procure jets from China because they don't favor them because of the crashes and with Russia its because of the finances.
Russia will not hand out its tech to Iran at all that is first. Second, any arm deals with Iran is a violation for the sanction and will trigger heavy response from the International community. All the reverse engineering Iran has done is nothing but a jock. Iran is not able to manufacture and APC let alone tanks...etc. Even China is backing up now. Iran is a country you can't trust at all.
 

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What are the chances those missiles can escape such advanced defense system like TAAD and PAC-3? BTW all the missiles you mentioned are unguided therefore, there is a doubt in their effectiveness.

As for the Persian vs Arabian Gulf there are many historical proofs and we are not bound to the UN in its selection.
These systems are very good but Iran has the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the Middle East .
Please show a valid document the history of the Arabic Gulf and You're always disrespect to the laws of United Nations?

Old soviet and NK tech and some copy paste of Chinese missiles. They have no major role to play in the presence of advanced and sophisticated defense system. The mullahs are fooling their people. Whatever you see is for public consumption only.
if they have no major role to play so why usa want to Limit them?

Are they still fielding the Chinese MiG-21 copy in a front-line role...and do they still use the two-seater variant as a trainer?

(Kind of surprised to see it being used as a trainer, considering it is a bit of a handful at lower speeds)
fighter f-14 are front line and 42 number f-14 from 62 number were to upgrade f-14am . and do they use the f5 and two-seater variant as a trainer . They also built F-5's in their own country ( The HESA Saeqeh ) .
 
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These systems are very good but Iran has the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the Middle East .
Please show a valid document the history of the Arabic Gulf . and You're always disrespect to the laws of United Nations?

The UN decision is for the own use. Here are some old maps.

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if they have no major role to play so why usa want to Limit them?
Iran is the world's second-largest Producer engineer . And many Iranian engineers work in large foreign companies for example, NASA , Google , Microsoft and etc .

Source : List of Iranian Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That is irrelevant. The current Iranian defence industry failed to even modernize the current civil fleet let alone manufactures military platforms. The US doesn't won't to restrict Iranian missiles rather the nuclear ambition of Iran. Lets not forget that it wasn't for the Russians and NK, Iran would not be able to initiate such a project.
 

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The UN decision is for the own use. Here are some old maps.

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That is irrelevant. The current Iranian defence industry failed to even modernize the current civil fleet let alone manufactures military platforms. The US doesn't won't to restrict Iranian missiles rather the nuclear ambition of Iran. Lets not forget that it wasn't for the Russians and NK, Iran would not be able to initiate such a project.
Excuse me if it was irrelevant!

Why all the maps related to the year 1600 but much of the Persian Gulf map before 1600 ?
 
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Excuse me if it was irrelevant!

Why all the maps related to the year 1600 but much of the Persian Gulf map before 1600 ?
Maps prior 1600 mentioned about the Gulf of Basra and Gulf of Qatif which both are Arabian cities.
 

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Russia will not hand out its tech to Iran at all that is first. Second, any arm deals with Iran is a violation for the sanction and will trigger heavy response from the International community. All the reverse engineering Iran has done is nothing but a jock. Iran is not able to manufacture and APC let alone tanks...etc. Even China is backing up now. Iran is a country you can't trust at all.
Iran is not a trust worthy nation like you mentioned but they do have 1 main ally. North Korea, I know North Korea has gave Iran lots of tech and vise versa. but Russia's situations are more confusing then what you think. they have problems with Iran cause of the Caspian sea, but sometimes they may sell them stuff here and there (very rarely). I knew with the sanctions being lifted and them gaining money they were going to buy military tech whether its domestic or from a foreign nation.
 
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