Lockheed Martin (LM) CSC Type 26 Frigate Design

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Our two Protecteur-class Joint Support Ships (JSS) will replace the Royal Canadian Navy’s Auxiliary Oiler Replenishment vessels, and eventually be commissioned under the same names Protecteur and Preserver. The new ships will provide core replenishment, limited sealift capabilities, and support to operations ashore. The JSS will be one of the first of the RCN’s ships to be built by Seaspan shipbuilding in Vancouver, British Columbia Canada as part of the National Shipbuilding Strategy (NSS). Their displacement is just over 20,000 tonnes however they may well exceed 25-28,000 tonnes with top speeds of over 20+ kts.

Capabilities
This JSS project will procure two ships that are purpose-built to provide the RCN with a critical sustainment and re-supply capability with the add-on of another ship if required. Additionally, the ships will provide a limited sealift capability, support helicopter maintenance and operations, and will be equipped with modern medical and dental care facilities, including an operating room.

The ships will have storage for up to 64 20-foot sea containers (TEUs). TEUs can be used to store food, water, vehicles, and other specialized equipment to support land or sea-based operations, including humanitarian assistance and disaster relief (HA/DR). Additionally, these containers can house special mission fit cargo, such as mobile hospitals and portable communication centers, which could be offloaded or airlifted ashore. The JSS will also employ a modular pontoon system called the sea-to-shore connector which will allow for the transferring of at least 50 tonnes of material, including people, vehicles, and supplies ashore, or be modified to create temporary jetties in locations that could not ordinarily support a ship.

The JSS’ survivability and self-defence capabilities will allow them to carry out their critical sustainment functions in high-threat environments, including as an integrated part of any Canadian, American, NATO, or Allied task group. JSS ships will also have the ability to embark a Joint Staff, and be employed as a Command ship within a Task Group. The ships’ self-defence capabilities will include a Combat Management System, Naval Remote Weapon Systems, Close-In Weapon Systems, heavy machine guns, surveillance capabilities (3D air surveillance radar), Tactical Data Link Networks, and an electronic warfare suite. The ships will also be equipped with systems to detect and protect against Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear threats.The JSS will replace the core capabilities of the Auxiliary Oiler Replenishment ships, including: provision of fuel, ammunition, spare parts, food, water, and other supplies; repair facilities and expertise to keep helicopters and other equipment functioning; and provide self-defence functions.

Construction
In December 2016, Seaspan’s Vancouver Shipyards Co. Ltd was awarded the JSS Design and Production Engineering contract to bring the JSS design to production readiness to enable the start of ship construction. An Initial Design Review was completed in 2017, and early construction began in June 2018. The first JSS is expected to be delivered to the RCN by the shipyard in 2023 with sea trials shortly after to confirm that the ship meets the criteria for Initial Operational Capability and subsequently to enable Full Operational Capability by 2024.

 

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Another new capability of our future RCN Navy is the Harry DeWolf class Arctic Offshore Patrol Ships (AOPS) The navy is building 6+2 with the other 2 going to the Canadian Coast Guard. These are armed patrol vessels and ice breakers that have a Polar class 5 designation modeled on the Norwegian NOCGV Svalbard class with a displacement of approx 6,615 metric tonnes, 340 ft long with a beam of 62 ft. The first of class Harry DeWolf is now doing sea trials with the others to follow.

 

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The polar class 2 icebreaker, the future Canadian Coast Guard Ship (CCGS) John G. Diefenbaker, will replace Canada's current largest icebreaker, the CCGS Louis S. St-Laurent. The ship will have a crew of approximately 100. She is estimated to be capable of carrying fuel and supplies to be self-sufficient for 270 days and be able of making constant progress through 2.5 metres (8 ft) of ice. She is A Polar 2 icebreaker with a displacement of approx 24-28,000 tonnes, a length of 493 ft, beam of 92 ft, draft of 35 ft and a depth of 44.5 ft. She carries 6 diesel engines with a combined 54,000 HP. She has diesel-electric propulsion with 2-15,000 HP shafts and 1 16,000 HP azimuth thruster. A max speed of 21 kts with a max range of 27,000 NM. Endurance is 25 days at full power. She carries 2 x medium-lift helicopters in her hanger.

 

[Gripen9]

The polar class 2 icebreaker, the future Canadian Coast Guard Ship (CCGS) John G. Diefenbaker, will replace Canada's current largest icebreaker, the CCGS Louis S. St-Laurent. The ship will have a crew of approximately 100. She is estimated to be capable of carrying fuel and supplies to be self-sufficient for 270 days and be able of making constant progress through 2.5 metres (8 ft) of ice. She is A Polar 2 icebreaker with a displacement of approx 24-28,000 tonnes, a length of 493 ft, beam of 92 ft, draft of 35 ft and a depth of 44.5 ft. She carries 6 diesel engines with a combined 54,000 HP. She has diesel-electric propulsion with 2-15,000 HP shafts and 1 16,000 HP azimuth thruster. A max speed of 21 kts with a max range of 27,000 NM. Endurance is 25 days at full power. She carries 2 x medium-lift helicopters in her hanger. View attachment 15451View attachment 15452View attachment 15453

What is the impact of melting polar ice caps? With both US & Russia staking claim to open shipping routes through that area, how is Canada preparing for that?

 

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Perhaps our only downfall would be our Victoria class submarine fleet (depending how you look at it). I will give you a very brief history of our acquisition of these boats. Canada has 4 Victoria class SSK submarines acquired from the British in 1998 (HMCS Victoria, Windsor, Corner Brook & Chicoutimi). At the time it was thought a real bargain to get these boats at $750M for all 4, but has proven to be more of a headache to make them operational in the early years of their commissioning. The last sub brought over, HMCS Chicoutimi, had a fire on board with one officer killed. Things went down hill after that incident, however over the past recent years the Canadian Government announced a complete over-hall of the fleet to make them more relevant to today's threats with state-of-the-art equipment, sensor and weapons upgrades to serve the RCN until at least 2035 before a new submarine can be acquired/built to replace the Victoria class.

 

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What is the impact of melting polar ice caps? With both US & Russia staking claim to open shipping routes through that area, how is Canada preparing for that?

Yes, Gripen9 you are absolutely correct. The polar icecaps are melting mainly because of what we (the world) is doing to it. "
Global Warming". The US/RUSSIA are "trying to stake their claims on the North West Passage through the use of their own military buildups. Canada has been trying to monitor the north for years, but with little success. With both of these military super-powers fighting back and forth and Canada caught in the middle trying to assert its own sovereignty rights to its part of the north Arctic, it has been difficult to say the least. And now we have the Chinese wanting a "piece of the action". We have not prepared very well I'm afraid and have been sitting on our hands for years! The build of the AOPS Ships will not help much. What we need are HALE drones to patrol the area. We have developed and launched newer satellites to find out who are in our Arctic waters. The high Arctic still has some significant ice fields that we will still have to contend with for many years to come and this new Polar ice breaker will certainly help. What we really need is a fleet of new subs (possibly nuclear) to give others on both sides pause. It is the only asset that can handle that kind of ice. But the last time Canada tried to buy nucs was in 1987 when the government of the day tried to buy the British fleet of Trafalgar class SSNs and Britain was willing but the US has a lot of technology on those subs and would not let the British sell any US technology to Canada (the US were afraid of having any nuc subs in the Arctic but their own) especially Canada. The Victoria class subs are just not suitable for high-Arctic operations. I will be adding more to this discussion on the Submarine thread soon. Cheers!

 

[Gripen9]

Yes, Gripen9 you are absolutely correct. The polar icecaps are melting mainly because of what we (the world) is doing to it. "
Global Warming". The US/RUSSIA are "trying to stake their claims on the North West Passage through the use of their own military buildups. Canada has been trying to monitor the north for years, but with little success. With both of these military super-powers fighting back and forth and Canada caught in the middle trying to assert its own sovereignty rights to its part of the north Arctic, it has been difficult to say the least. And now we have the Chinese wanting a "piece of the action". We have not prepared very well I'm afraid and have been sitting on our hands for years! The build of the AOPS Ships will not help much. What we need are HALE drones to patrol the area. We have developed and launched newer satellites to find out who are in our Arctic waters. The high Arctic still has some significant ice fields that we will still have to contend with for many years to come and this new Polar ice breaker will certainly help. What we really need is a fleet of new subs (possibly nuclear) to give others on both sides pause. It is the only asset that can handle that kind of ice. But the last time Canada tried to buy nucs was in 1987 when the government of the day tried to buy the British fleet of Trafalgar class SSNs and Britain was willing but the US has a lot of technology on those subs and would not let the British sell any US technology to Canada (the US were afraid of having any nuc subs in the Arctic but their own) especially Canada. The Victoria class subs are just not suitable for high-Arctic operations. I will be adding more to this discussion on the Submarine thread soon. Cheers!

Ah the Chinese are everywhere!

Apparently a 250 ship Chinese fleet showed up in Ecuador EEZ off the Galapagos Island. Ecuadorian Navy is on high alert as they are depleting fish stock in their EEZ.

 

[GRANNY001]

Ah the Chinese are everywhere!

Apparently a 250 ship Chinese fleet showed up in Ecuador EEZ off the Galapagos Island. Ecuadorian Navy is on high alert as they are depleting fish stock in their EEZ.

The Chinese especially, have no sense of what they are doing to contribute to "Global Warming" and the Arctic melt-down, and have been caught several times throughout the world recently but as yet have not tried to sneak through the Arctic waters undetected. But that will come, you can bet your "Canadian Beaver" on that!

 

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Hello again! Here is another little "ditty".

Royal Canadian Navy Has Acquired UMS Skeldar V-200 Drones
QinetiQ Wins the contract for the Canadian Armed Forces’ Unmanned Aircraft System Service program to deliver SAAB UMS Skeldar V-200 drones to the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) equipped with a number of sensors including an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar and Electro-optic infrared (EO/IR) camera. The vertical take-off UAS will provide Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition and Reconnaissance (ISTAR) services to the RCN and Special Operations Forces Command, for both domestic and international operations. These drones will be integrated into both the Halifax class and new Canadian Surface Combatants (CSC) ships CCMS systems. Each ship will carry two of these drones. The Canadian Army will also integrate these drones into their battlte groups. QinetiQ will work with four principal partners to deliver the ISTAR services: Canadian-UAV, Leonardo, UMS SKELDAR and Wescam

 

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Naming the New Frigates​

Now that LM/BAE Type 26 has won the bid to design and build the CSC, here are the class and ship names that would be appropriate for each coast. The ship class would be called “Canada Class” CSC Type 26 Frigates. The first ship should be named for our country, and the second ship for when our country first became of age (as Vimy Ridge is considered sacred Canadian ground). The remaining ships would be named for each province and Territory of our Country. These names have been sent to the Naming Commission in Ottawa for consideration.

Halifax Based:

HMCS CANADA-FFH 380; HMCS ONTARIO-FFH 381; HMCS QUEBEC-FFH 382; HMCS NOVA SCOTIA-FFH 383; HMCS NEW BRUNSWICK-FFH 384

HMCS PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND-FFH 385; HMCS NEWFOUNDLAND-FFH 386; HMCS NUNAVUT-FFH 387;

Esquimalt Based:

HMCS VIMY RIDGE-FFH 388; HMCS SASKATCHEWAN-FFH 389; HMCS MANITOBA-FFH 390; HMCS ALBERTA-FFH 391;

HMCS BRITISH COLUMBIA-FFH 392; HMCS YUKON-FFH 393; HMCS NORTHWEST TERRITORIES-FFH 394

 

[Gripen9]

Naming the New Frigates​

Now that LM/BAE Type 26 has won the bid to design and build the CSC, here are the class and ship names that would be appropriate for each coast. The ship class would be called “Canada Class” CSC Type 26 Frigates. The first ship should be named for our country, and the second ship for when our country first became of age (as Vimy Ridge is considered sacred Canadian ground). The remaining ships would be named for each province and Territory of our Country. These names have been sent to the Naming Commission in Ottawa for consideration.

Halifax Based:

HMCS CANADA-FFH 380; HMCS ONTARIO-FFH 381; HMCS QUEBEC-FFH 382; HMCS NOVA SCOTIA-FFH 383; HMCS NEW BRUNSWICK-FFH 384

HMCS PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND-FFH 385; HMCS NEWFOUNDLAND-FFH 386; HMCS NUNAVUT-FFH 387;

Esquimalt Based:

HMCS VIMY RIDGE-FFH 388; HMCS SASKATCHEWAN-FFH 389; HMCS MANITOBA-FFH 390; HMCS ALBERTA-FFH 391;

HMCS BRITISH COLUMBIA-FFH 392; HMCS YUKON-FFH 393; HMCS NORTHWEST TERRITORIES-FFH 394

HMCS NORTHWEST TERRITORIES .. gonna be a mouthfull

This is the HMCS NORTHWEST TERRITORIES eh

 

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Ah the Chinese are everywhere!

Apparently a 250 ship Chinese fleet showed up in Ecuador EEZ off the Galapagos Island. Ecuadorian Navy is on high alert as they are depleting fish stock in their EEZ.

They have been in N. Korean waters for the last couple years depleting fishing stocks, they will just move around the globe taking what they want till somebody puts a stop to them

 

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HMCS NORTHWEST TERRITORIES .. gonna be a mouthfull

This is the HMCS NORTHWEST TERRITORIES eh

Hi Gripen9. The only way that this works is to name the ships after all of our Provinces and Territories. Yukon is not a Province as well as the Northwest Territories You could call it HMCS NWT but you would be running afoul of the people there (sounds more like "Nit Whit"). Prince Edward Islanders would not like HMCS PEI and you would also run afoul of those people as well. Not really a mouthfull as you say. What about USS BONHOMME RICHARD as well as other USN ships with longer names. Yes, I believe HMCS NORTHWEST TERRITORIES will do. Cheers!

 

[Gripen9]

Hi Gripen9. The only way that this works is to name the ships after all of our Provinces and Territories. Yukon is not a Province as well as the Northwest Territories You could call it HMCS NWT but you would be running afoul of the people there (sounds more like "Nit Whit"). Prince Edward Islanders would not like HMCS PEI and you would also run afoul of those people as well. Not really a mouthfull as you say. What about USS BONHOMME RICHARD as well as other USN ships with longer names. Yes, I believe HMCS NORTHWEST TERRITORIES will do. Cheers!

I like Nit Whit

Yeah and look what happened to Bonhomme Richards!

 

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I like Nit Whit

Yeah and look what happened to Bonhomme Richards!

Accidents may happen on any ship. Fire on a ship is a real danger, and should never be taken lightly. Are you saying this CSC frigate, if named that, is doomed? Canadian ships have had enough of fires on our ships. I don't believe in "fairy tales". We should all hope that fires never happen on any ship especially navy ships. But if they do, Canadian sailors train every day at sea and in harbour for that event and are experts at it. Probably more than most nations.