Pakistan shot down 2 IAF jets

[BATMAN]

This press brief (from IAF) is circulating on internet and is being reprinted in international press.
Item#2. states 3 types of India fighter jets were sent to intercept PAF and one of those scrambled type was Su-30.
It's now official that SU30 which Pakistan claim to shoot took part in the A2A battle.

 

[BATMAN]

Airforces Monthly

 

[Jaeger]

I am not here to pick sides but I always thought, wondered and questioned this myself (take note I'm not side picking here)
If PAF shot down a Flanker (Su-30MKI) why did not the PAF,IAF officials reveal the lost of such a high end jet. you'd think because of lost of such a advanced jet, it would be making headlines....
then you have the IAF, they claimed to have downed a PAF F-16, well for starters the US-Pakistan has an agreement where PAF can only use F-16s with inside their own airspace, that is why Pakistan chose JF-17 because they needed a "less restricted" aircraft for multiple purposes. however they claim they fired an AIM-120, but US will not allow the integration if AIM-120s onto JF-17 again due to the confusing but strict US-Pakistani defence ties. but overall if the IAF managed to down an F-16 they would show the pilot if he was captured or deceased just to prove they had a pilot in their hands (I'm not trying to sound rude) as well as managing take pics of end of the F-16 (where it has Pakistan's flag).

so far, All I been seeing is Pakistan proving they downed the MiG-21 (they showed the debris of the plane) as well as captured the pilot, while India only managed to show an F-16 crash (which was a USAF F-16 crash in Kansas) as well as an AIM-120 scrap piece but seriously not "solid evidence" of much else.

 

[Nilgiri]

ISPR claimed no F-16 is lost and India is trying to prove F-16 is lost but with mere claims and baseless news sources.
Anything else?

List of Indian lies only from current episode:
1- Indian preemptive strikes killed 300 children on a school strike in Pakistan.
2- India reject, PAF claim of shooting down ANY Indian jet
3- Plane wreckage what Pakistan is showing, is actually F-16 shot by mig 21
4- PAF didn't strike back
Above claims has been settled in favor of ISPR press briefing. India proven liar thoroughly.
Indian stories starting to change when pilot emerged on Pakistani side but not all is aligned, yet.
6- Only one IAF jet is down i.e. mig 21 and pilot is in Pakistani custody
7- Shahzaz ud Din was the pilot of F-16 shot by Indian mig-21
8- India found wreckage of AIM120 with model and batch number intact.
9- 14 F-16 took part in operation leading to the the mig-21 kill

What support ISPR claim:
a) Video of injured paratrooper in his flying suit, inside Indian Occupied Kashmir, recorded by Indian paramedical staff.
b) Document hosted at the website of US 'Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition & Sustainment' contradicting the batch number on AIM wreckage Indian military establishment was parading.

ISPR claimed 2 IAF pilots under custody. You tell me why they had to change that and admit to lieing?

Don't you worry, the truth will come out....just like it did to your people when same ISPR was saying calcutta is conquered, massive parts of India are conquered and huge battles won etc etc....and then final surrender came and reality got delivered in 1971.

It made musharraf cry like a little girl....and you even release a pathetic stamp crying again to get 90,000 POWs back....appealing to "world conscience"....which is as soppy as it sounds.

The level of deception and lieing you lot do in the short term always gets corrected in the end (remember your claim of no NLI in Kargil, till your own people complained when they started receiving NLI bodies back).

Never forget that.

 

[Nilgiri]

but overall if the IAF managed to down an F-16 they would show the pilot if he was captured or deceased just to prove they had a pilot in their hands (I'm not trying to sound rude) as well as managing take pics of end of the F-16 (where it has Pakistan's flag).

The F-16 landed on Pakistan side....just like Mig -21. The whole engagement took place over Pakistani airspace.

Thus Pakistan has control of the F-16 wreckage area and what happened on the ground there. India has high order EW data on it, but that will not be released obviously.

For now the AIM-120 is more than enough to show that Pakistan has lied about the incident in a major way (in claiming no F-16s were used).

 

[Nilgiri]

Indian claim of shooting down mystery F-16, being flown by this gentleman, is also wrong.
This gentleman is fit and waiting for his turn to takeoff.
View attachment 6775

Thats an old outdated picture (see the a/c? thats a visit to China)....PAF can produce him for camera and disprove everything right now. They haven't done so because India has no official information on who the PAF pilot in the F-16 was....and of course if he is dead, then again their narrative is destroyed.

The evidence chain as to his identity comes from a london based lawyer who is in contact with the pilot's family.

 

[BATMAN]

Pakistan-India tensions report

Disclaimer: The following information provided is carefully verified and reveals only information that is confirmed to be true via multiple sources. The report is unbiased and gives a clear picture to the series of events that raised tensions between two nuclear powers.

27 February 2019

On 27 Feb 2019 at around 3 am Indian warplanes violated Pakistani airspace and soon returned back to India. Indian sources claimed that the IAF had conducted successful airstrikes in Balakot area against JeM militants killing many, (JeM is a group claimed to be responsible for attacking a Indian military convoy which killed 40+ CRPF troops), how ever Indian sources did not provide a specific location or video/satellite evidence. Pakistani sources rejected this and claimed no such airstrike had happened on any camp and open an area was hit with no casualties reported, to back this Pakistani sources released images of an area filled with small craters claimed to be where India had dropped its payload.

Pakistan officials said that IAF jets had released their pay load which free fell away near Balakot where as the IAF jets were chased back into India by PAF. Meanwhile Independent analysts OSINT work has found craters near Balakot area in Jala where evidence of Israeli origin Spice-2000 guided bombs parts were found all of which had hit open area downing a few trees. This had confirmed that no collateral damage had been caused and Indian claim was false.

28 February 2019

On Feb 28 morning Pakistani warplanes violated Indian airspace and conducted air strikes on an open field. Pakistani official sources said that these strikes were on non-military target avoiding human loss and collateral damage as a sign of self defence on earlier Indian strikes on Pakistani open fields. Whereas Indian sources claimed that PAF had tired to attack important military installations but was pushed back by the Indian air force.

Hours later reports had come in that an air battle was taking place over Pakistani airspace, soon after official Pakistani sources claimed that 2 Indian jets have been shot down where as Pakistan has not suffered any loss. They further said that one of the shot down jets crashed inside Pakistan while the other back inside India, however the second jet is unconfirmed and unproven as of yet. Separately an Indian Mi-17 had also crashed but Pakistan claimed its not responsible for it. Indian media had earlier denied IAF jets had been shot down later on changed the statements accepting loss of one Mig-21. Later on Indian media started reporting a PAF-16 had been shot down over Indian airspace and crashed inside Pakistan , however their is no evidence a F-16 had crashed and Pakistani sources denied it. Later on a AIM-120CF missiles remains was found inside Indian territory that proved that a F-16 was used in some manner through this whole series of events but their is no evidence of a F-16 being shot down or its alleged wreckage. The most probable reason could be the missile was a dud (highly unlikely) and crashed inside Indian territory as PAF chased Indian jets on 27 during Indian violations of airspace (As their is no sign of a F-16 wreckage near the missiles location)

The MIG-21 pilot was captured by Pakistani military and a video of him got released showing that he's being treated as per military ethics define. However, India accused Pakistan of violating the Geneva conventions by revealing the identity of the pilot. Pakistan closed off the airspace near the Kashmir area and many flights were cancelled and/or re-routed as a side effect cross border fighting again erupted.

1st and 2nd March 2019

Many other world leaders like Donald trump urged the leaders of Pakistan and India to restrain themselves and solve this diplomatically. Pakistan announced it will return the captured Indian pilot to de-escalate the situation and India has accepted the pilot. Pakistan also activated the UN observer group to come and monitor the situation from with in Pakistan. However cross border firing again erupted midnight of Friday and tensions are still present between the two nuclear powers.

 

[BATMAN]

Thats an old outdated picture (see the a/c? thats a visit to China)....PAF can produce him for camera and disprove everything right now.

Pictured was shared by Indian sources.... and than got recirculated.
Obviously it dosn't prove, if he's alive or dead.
ISPR can be contacted @ www.ispr.gov.pk

 

[BATMAN]

Pakistan has control of the F-16 wreckage area and what happened on the ground there

All of Pakistan does not agree with each other. There are more chances of locals reaching to (widely spread) wreckage site earlier than security personals.
LHM would have been updating their record, as well coming to Pakistan for recording events, digital information etc.
Sooner /later local & international press, would also be at wreckage site, interviewing locals and analyzing the wreckage site.
Wreckage can't be collected within minutes or couple of hours. It than has to be transported and the route is small villages to large villages, where all vehicles are scanned by public eyes and mobile camera.
So no hint of evidence of F-16 wreckage, what so ever.
May be India can start sharing the lock and shoot video from it's own record.

 

[BATMAN]

I am not here to pick sides but I always thought, wondered and questioned this myself (take note I'm not side picking here)
If PAF shot down a Flanker (Su-30MKI) why did not the PAF,IAF officials reveal the lost of such a high end jet. you'd think because of lost of such a advanced jet, it would be making headlines....
then you have the IAF, they claimed to have downed a PAF F-16, well for starters the US-Pakistan has an agreement where PAF can only use F-16s with inside their own airspace, that is why Pakistan chose JF-17 because they needed a "less restricted" aircraft for multiple purposes. however they claim they fired an AIM-120, but US will not allow the integration if AIM-120s onto JF-17 again due to the confusing but strict US-Pakistani defence ties. but overall if the IAF managed to down an F-16 they would show the pilot if he was captured or deceased just to prove they had a pilot in their hands (I'm not trying to sound rude) as well as managing take pics of end of the F-16 (where it has Pakistan's flag).

so far, All I been seeing is Pakistan proving they downed the MiG-21 (they showed the debris of the plane) as well as captured the pilot, while India only managed to show an F-16 crash (which was a USAF F-16 crash in Kansas) as well as an AIM-120 scrap piece but seriously not "solid evidence" of much else.

Principally, It's India who claim to have shot F-16, so the onus of providing evidence is with them and they must be having a lock and shot video in their record and also in the black box of the mig-21 which (according to Indian military claim) shot F-16.

On the other hand, Pakistan has also not provided any evidence of shooting Su-30 but same applies to them, they must be having video recording of lock and shot.

May be both sides are waiting for their own reasons, but what is already going into Pakistan favor is the second injured pilot, who was being attended by India paramedics. So at least there was a second Indian plane down, which is also not admitted by Indian military establishment.

There has been a MI-17 helicopter crash as well, which Pakistan denied of shooting. Appears to be a friendly fire.

 

[BATMAN]

Pakistan's ex-AVM Shahid Latif Khan has stated in an interview that 2 jF17 shot 2 two Indian fighter jets. a) Su-30 b)Mig21 Bison.
Mi17 kill is widely accepted as friendly fire by IAF.
As a consequence AOC of the western Air Command Air Marshal was sacked.
On the contrary, if Mig-21 had shot F-16, the officers and command would have been handed medals & promotions.

 

[BATMAN]

India refuses to share proof of strikes in Pakistan amid doubts of (alleged) militant deaths.

 

[Scorpion]

India refuses to share proof of strikes in Pakistan amid doubts of (alleged) militant deaths.

Did India retaliate?

 

[BATMAN]

Did India retaliate?

IAF has gone quite.

Indian army's shelling is happening periodically, only at line of control.
Pakistan replied and as a consequence IoK, Rajori hospital is full of injured Indian soldiers.
World came to know by the tweet of Hospital's superintendent 'Dr Rajeev Tripati ', who may be dead by now..

 

[BATMAN]

Finnish expert busts Indian claim of downing Pakistan F-16