Syrian Revolution News & Discussions

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@T-123456 @Gabriel92 @WebMaster @Scorpion

I just checked newly update maps ...it looks as if Kurds have taken over half the country by now....

Very surprising. I find myself paying attention to domestic politics now more than current events. This is embarrassing for Turks and Arabs. For the Arab's, they are losing any influence on the opposition if Kurds will dominate it. For the Turks, it's self explanatory.

It seems the US and Israel want to hurt Assad by making eastern Syria a Kurdish colony. Once again, only the allies of Israel prevail. That should tell you something about the global power makeup. Until the people decide it's time for change, you will continue to only achieve minimal interests that they permit you to achieve. While they dominate.

Dont get ahead of things,just wait and see.

 

[Falcon29]

Dont get ahead of things,just wait and see.

This is embarrassing for Iranian's too. And the international community as a whole. I support Kurd's having a region in Syria that's mostly populated by them, but I don't support any ethnic cleansing or expansion of this region. Nor do I believe they should be allowed to claim independent nation from the nation of Syria. It took the world two years to militarily create this Kurdish state, but for the past 70 years refuse to allow a Palestinian state.

 

[T-123456]

This is embarrassing for Iranian's too. And the international community as a whole. I support Kurd's having a region in Syria that's mostly populated by them, but I don't support any ethnic cleansing or expansion of this region. Nor do I believe they should be allowed to claim independent nation from the nation of Syria. It took the world two years to militarily create this Kurdish state, but for the past 70 years refuse to allow a Palestinian state.

And who did all this or allow it to be done with their passiveness?
Need a hint?
There are 450 million.

 

[Scorpion]

@T-123456 @Gabriel92 @WebMaster @Scorpion

I just checked newly update maps ...it looks as if Kurds have taken over half the country by now....

Very surprising. I find myself paying attention to domestic politics now more than current events. This is embarrassing for Turks and Arabs. For the Arab's, they are losing any influence on the opposition if Kurds will dominate it. For the Turks, it's self explanatory.

It seems the US and Israel want to hurt Assad by making eastern Syria a Kurdish colony. Once again, only the allies of Israel prevail. That should tell you something about the global power makeup. Until the people decide it's time for change, you will continue to only achieve minimal interests that they permit you to achieve. While they dominate.

I have been saying this for ages. Not news anymore. Anyway, Saudi Arabia and Turkey will not allow Syria to split apart nor Turkey is willing to except a Kurdish state in its backyard.

 

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A federal region in northern Syria is the plan of a powerful Kurdish party. The declaration was expected to be made at the end of a Kurdish conference in the town of Rmeilan, in Syria's northern Hassakeh province. It coincided with the peace talks of the Damascus government and Western- and Saudi-backed rebels with a UN envoy in Geneva.

For details - Syrian Kurds say they'll declare federal region in Syria | World, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

 

[Gabriel92]

ISIS kills five Russian soldiers during fighting in ancient Syrian city of Palmyra

• Terrorist group also claimed to have killed six members of Syrian Army
• ISIS said that one of the Russians killed in Palmyra was a military advisor
• Aamaq, a website linked to ISIS, then published clip of a bloodied corpse
• Vladimir Putin ordered major withdrawal of forces from Syria on Monday

ISIS has claimed to have killed five Russian soldiers during fighting in the ancient city of Palmyra in Syria.

In a statement, the group also said it killed several members of the Lebanese Shiite Hezbollah group and fighters belonging to the Syrian armed forces.

It claimed: 'The soldiers of the caliphate, by the grace of God, have killed five Russian soldiers and six members of the Syrian army.'

A website linked to ISIS, Aamaq, carried a similar claim, adding that one of the Russians killed was a military advisor.

It said: 'Four of the Russian soldiers were killed in Qasr al-Halabat west of Palmyra during an attempt to storm the area that IS forces foiled, while the advisor whose corpse was shown in a video distributed by the agency died (Thursday) in the Dawa area.'

Aamaq also published a video, showing the bloodied corpse of a man in military gear that it claimed was the advisor.

President Vladimir Putin, Assad's main backer, on Monday ordered the withdrawal of most of Russia's armed forces from Syria.

The Russian air force has however continued to strike jihadist targets since the surprise announcement, particularly around Palmyra.

Speaking yesterdaty, Putin said: 'Our uncompromising attitude to terrorism remains unchanged, adding that 'fierce fighting' was raging near Palmyra.



Read more: ISIS kills five Russian soldiers during fighting in ancient Syrian city of Palmyra | Daily Mail Online

 

[Scorpion]

ISIS kills five Russian soldiers during fighting in ancient Syrian city of Palmyra

• Terrorist group also claimed to have killed six members of Syrian Army
• ISIS said that one of the Russians killed in Palmyra was a military advisor
• Aamaq, a website linked to ISIS, then published clip of a bloodied corpse
• Vladimir Putin ordered major withdrawal of forces from Syria on Monday

ISIS has claimed to have killed five Russian soldiers during fighting in the ancient city of Palmyra in Syria.

In a statement, the group also said it killed several members of the Lebanese Shiite Hezbollah group and fighters belonging to the Syrian armed forces.

It claimed: 'The soldiers of the caliphate, by the grace of God, have killed five Russian soldiers and six members of the Syrian army.'

A website linked to ISIS, Aamaq, carried a similar claim, adding that one of the Russians killed was a military advisor.

It said: 'Four of the Russian soldiers were killed in Qasr al-Halabat west of Palmyra during an attempt to storm the area that IS forces foiled, while the advisor whose corpse was shown in a video distributed by the agency died (Thursday) in the Dawa area.'

Aamaq also published a video, showing the bloodied corpse of a man in military gear that it claimed was the advisor.

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President Vladimir Putin, Assad's main backer, on Monday ordered the withdrawal of most of Russia's armed forces from Syria.

The Russian air force has however continued to strike jihadist targets since the surprise announcement, particularly around Palmyra.

Speaking yesterdaty, Putin said: 'Our uncompromising attitude to terrorism remains unchanged, adding that 'fierce fighting' was raging near Palmyra.



Read more: ISIS kills five Russian soldiers during fighting in ancient Syrian city of Palmyra | Daily Mail Online

They came to die let'm have it.

 

[Gabriel92]

They came to die let'm have it.

Well this is war,casualties are always expected,and this soldier was just doing the task he has been given and did it,and even gave his live for it.
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What amazes me is how those scums can resist and even repel offensives from Syrian soldiers + Hezbollah soldiers + experienced Rusian advisers + massive air support. @Falcon29

 

[Falcon29]

Well this is war,casualties are always expected,and this soldier was just doing the task he has been given and did it,and even gave his live for it.
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What amazes me is how those scums can resist and even repel offensives from Syrian soldiers + Hezbollah soldiers + experienced Rusian advisers + massive air support. @Falcon29

They managed to conduct successful ambush with small number of militants but didn't gain any ground. US wasn't/isn't doing strikes in that area, since Russian/Syrian presence is there, they're leaving that to Russia. Prior to ceasefire, most of Syrian forces were concentrated in Latakia, Aleppo areas. There wasn't much attention on Palmyra as the desert area west of it isn't too difficult to secure. Just recently have they moved more forces there and Russia preparing air raids there.

I don't believe Hezbollah is deployed there, they're in Aleppo mostly.

 

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North Korean HT-16PGJ MANPADS in Syria
March 22, 2016

By Oryx

Subject to severe sanctions for almost a decade, the proliferation of North Korean conventional armament on the international arms market is an often underreported topic, and many arms deals of the past are completely undocumented. Nonetheless, the traces of these deals still mark many of the world’s conflict areas, and every once in a while new footage confirms North Korea’s involvement in the international arms trade.

Alongside main battle tanks upgraded by the DPRK, various types of artillery, anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) and light machine guns (LMGs) already present in today’s conflict hotspots, analysis of imagery of weaponry used in the Syrian Civil War shows the presence of North Korean man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS) amongst various factions opposing the regime of president Bashar al-Assad. The sighting of this system has become common enough to suggest the scale of their initial delivery to the Assad regime was sizeable, although the fact that they are consistently identified as the similar Soviet Igla-1E (SA-16) system also used in Syria means they have largely remained unnoticed to this date.

A single example was first identified in August 2014 in the hands of a fighter of the Islamic State at Ksesh (which was captured from Jaish al-Islam in the summer of 2014), but further research has unveiled an entire batch of at least 18 launchers and their associated systems was captured by the Free Syrian Army and Kateeba al-Kawthar (originally an al-Qaeda-linked group) at Brigade 80 in Aleppo in February 2013. While no aircraft or helicopters are explicitely known to have been shot down by these missiles, their continued presence on the battlefield, most recently in the heavily embattled Lattakia Governorate suggests they are still functional.

North Korean HT-16PGJ MANPADS with cap removed at Ksesh airbase, August 2014.

Stash of North Korean HT-16PGJ MANPADS captured in Aleppo, February 2013.

Although MANPADS in general appear to be referred to as Hwaseong-Chong (Arquebus) in North Korea, it is thought the specific type exported to Syria is of their third or fourth indigenously developed generation. Early types copied from the Soviet 9K32 Strela-2 (SA-7) MANPADS (which might have donned the designation PGLM or CSA-3A) were likely developed in the 1980s, and what appears to have been an indigenous variant of the 9K34 Strela-3 (SA-14) was spotted as early as 1992. Development has ultimately resulted in a system which has only been identified in recent years, and which seems to have been derived from the Russian 9K38 Igla (SA-18). However, the MANPADS currently seen in Syria shares the most resemblance with the older 9K310 Igla-1 (SA-16) system, but with the characteristic tricone nose mounted on the missile replaced with the more modern aerodynamic spike also seen on the 9K38 Igla (SA-18) and 9K338 Igla-S (SA-24) systems it is likely its performance has been improved. The most significant other difference that allows the North Korean system to be discerned from it Soviet/Russian counterparts is the foreward placement of the thermal battery which powers the MANPADS. This component also determines whether the system is still operable; its depletion means the MANPADS has become useless, leading to several cases where factions desperate for anti-air defence have attempted to jury-rig their own batteries.

North Korean HT-16PGJ MANPADS in Lattakia, 26th of November 2015. Right: The same MANPADS seen in a North Korean military parade.

Further imagery analysis reveals that the North Korean system spotted in Syria carries the designator HT-16PGJ (the missiles alone HG-16), and that the specific examples captured at Brigade 80 were part of a contract dated the 1st of January 2004, meaning it is unlikely the shelf-life of the thermal batteries has yet run out. It is possible reports based on Western intelligence of a 2003 delivery by an unknown supplier (said to be Belarus) concerning some 300 Igla MANPADS actually refer to a deal surrounding the North Korean system, especially since the Igla has not yet been seen in Syria. If this is the case, it is likely even more MANPADS were acquired than reported as deliveries would have continued into the start of 2004. Indeed, careful study of the box containing the missiles reveals that no less than three-hundred boxes were delivered, containing two missiles each for a total of 600 HT-16PGJ MANPADS.

Despite the fact that the Syrian War has seen its fair share of MANPADS variants, ranging from Soviet-legacy Strela-2M, Strela-3s and Igla-1s to Chinese FN-6s supplied by Qatar through Sudan and Russian Igla-S’ provided a few years before the start of the conflict, anti-air defence from the multitude of factions currently roaming the Syrian skies remains scarce. This has forced certain parties to go to extreme lengths to improvise some semblance of anti-air capabilities, and any MANPADS is to be considered a precious asset. Due to the capabilities of these systems, the West was reluctant to provide them to moderate Syrian rebels earlier in the war, fearing they might be smuggled out of the country and used to shoot down commercial airliners. Although such aircraft usually cruise at higher altitudes than can be reached by most MANPADS, a missile fired shortly after takeoff or before landing has shown to be a genuine threat in the past.

Although unlikely to be the most capable MANPADS system currently to be found on the Syrian battlegrounds (a title which belongs to the Russian Igla-S system), it is certainly more effective than the older Strela-2, Strela-3 and Igla-1 systems, and possibly even the Chinese FN-6, which was found to be unreliable by the rebels that used them. As the Russian Air Force continues to remain at the forefront of the aerial campaign against Assad’s opponents throughout Syria, including the Lattakia governorate, any type of air-defence systems will be gladly embraced by rebel groups, no matter what their origins are. Whether more of these systems will pop up in the future of course remains to be seen, although the full extent of North Korean exports to nations across the world has likely to only just have begun to unravel, and development of new weaponry including MANPADS that could one day end up on the illegal arms trafficking market is still in progress.

bellingcat - North Korean HT-16PGJ MANPADS in Syria - bellingcat

 

[Scorpion]

North Korean HT-16PGJ MANPADS in Syria
March 22, 2016

By Oryx

Subject to severe sanctions for almost a decade, the proliferation of North Korean conventional armament on the international arms market is an often underreported topic, and many arms deals of the past are completely undocumented. Nonetheless, the traces of these deals still mark many of the world’s conflict areas, and every once in a while new footage confirms North Korea’s involvement in the international arms trade.

Alongside main battle tanks upgraded by the DPRK, various types of artillery, anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) and light machine guns (LMGs) already present in today’s conflict hotspots, analysis of imagery of weaponry used in the Syrian Civil War shows the presence of North Korean man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS) amongst various factions opposing the regime of president Bashar al-Assad. The sighting of this system has become common enough to suggest the scale of their initial delivery to the Assad regime was sizeable, although the fact that they are consistently identified as the similar Soviet Igla-1E (SA-16) system also used in Syria means they have largely remained unnoticed to this date.

A single example was first identified in August 2014 in the hands of a fighter of the Islamic State at Ksesh (which was captured from Jaish al-Islam in the summer of 2014), but further research has unveiled an entire batch of at least 18 launchers and their associated systems was captured by the Free Syrian Army and Kateeba al-Kawthar (originally an al-Qaeda-linked group) at Brigade 80 in Aleppo in February 2013. While no aircraft or helicopters are explicitely known to have been shot down by these missiles, their continued presence on the battlefield, most recently in the heavily embattled Lattakia Governorate suggests they are still functional.

North Korean HT-16PGJ MANPADS with cap removed at Ksesh airbase, August 2014.

Stash of North Korean HT-16PGJ MANPADS captured in Aleppo, February 2013.

Although MANPADS in general appear to be referred to as Hwaseong-Chong (Arquebus) in North Korea, it is thought the specific type exported to Syria is of their third or fourth indigenously developed generation. Early types copied from the Soviet 9K32 Strela-2 (SA-7) MANPADS (which might have donned the designation PGLM or CSA-3A) were likely developed in the 1980s, and what appears to have been an indigenous variant of the 9K34 Strela-3 (SA-14) was spotted as early as 1992. Development has ultimately resulted in a system which has only been identified in recent years, and which seems to have been derived from the Russian 9K38 Igla (SA-18). However, the MANPADS currently seen in Syria shares the most resemblance with the older 9K310 Igla-1 (SA-16) system, but with the characteristic tricone nose mounted on the missile replaced with the more modern aerodynamic spike also seen on the 9K38 Igla (SA-18) and 9K338 Igla-S (SA-24) systems it is likely its performance has been improved. The most significant other difference that allows the North Korean system to be discerned from it Soviet/Russian counterparts is the foreward placement of the thermal battery which powers the MANPADS. This component also determines whether the system is still operable; its depletion means the MANPADS has become useless, leading to several cases where factions desperate for anti-air defence have attempted to jury-rig their own batteries.

North Korean HT-16PGJ MANPADS in Lattakia, 26th of November 2015. Right: The same MANPADS seen in a North Korean military parade.

Further imagery analysis reveals that the North Korean system spotted in Syria carries the designator HT-16PGJ (the missiles alone HG-16), and that the specific examples captured at Brigade 80 were part of a contract dated the 1st of January 2004, meaning it is unlikely the shelf-life of the thermal batteries has yet run out. It is possible reports based on Western intelligence of a 2003 delivery by an unknown supplier (said to be Belarus) concerning some 300 Igla MANPADS actually refer to a deal surrounding the North Korean system, especially since the Igla has not yet been seen in Syria. If this is the case, it is likely even more MANPADS were acquired than reported as deliveries would have continued into the start of 2004. Indeed, careful study of the box containing the missiles reveals that no less than three-hundred boxes were delivered, containing two missiles each for a total of 600 HT-16PGJ MANPADS.

Despite the fact that the Syrian War has seen its fair share of MANPADS variants, ranging from Soviet-legacy Strela-2M, Strela-3s and Igla-1s to Chinese FN-6s supplied by Qatar through Sudan and Russian Igla-S’ provided a few years before the start of the conflict, anti-air defence from the multitude of factions currently roaming the Syrian skies remains scarce. This has forced certain parties to go to extreme lengths to improvise some semblance of anti-air capabilities, and any MANPADS is to be considered a precious asset. Due to the capabilities of these systems, the West was reluctant to provide them to moderate Syrian rebels earlier in the war, fearing they might be smuggled out of the country and used to shoot down commercial airliners. Although such aircraft usually cruise at higher altitudes than can be reached by most MANPADS, a missile fired shortly after takeoff or before landing has shown to be a genuine threat in the past.

Although unlikely to be the most capable MANPADS system currently to be found on the Syrian battlegrounds (a title which belongs to the Russian Igla-S system), it is certainly more effective than the older Strela-2, Strela-3 and Igla-1 systems, and possibly even the Chinese FN-6, which was found to be unreliable by the rebels that used them. As the Russian Air Force continues to remain at the forefront of the aerial campaign against Assad’s opponents throughout Syria, including the Lattakia governorate, any type of air-defence systems will be gladly embraced by rebel groups, no matter what their origins are. Whether more of these systems will pop up in the future of course remains to be seen, although the full extent of North Korean exports to nations across the world has likely to only just have begun to unravel, and development of new weaponry including MANPADS that could one day end up on the illegal arms trafficking market is still in progress.

bellingcat - North Korean HT-16PGJ MANPADS in Syria - bellingcat

LOL what hell is that man? Its definitely from Iran. No one uses it except Iran, Chechnya maybe.

 

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