UAE F-35 possible acquisition

[Nightfox]

would you mind elaborating your post.

Going for an aircraft like the F35 just because its stealth isn't a very realistic idea if you want to pull something like Operation Opera.The entire premise of going in quietly and leaving quietly ends at the moment a target is struck.Aircraft like the F35 which will be using an internal bay in stealth config. wont be able to defend themselves against the ADAs sent after them due to the limited amount of weapons that can be carried in that config. and they also dont have the speed needed to leave the airspace.This brings us to the question that"For such an Operation wont Long range AGMs be used".The answer to this is yes.But remember the fact that if things have reached the point of an airstrike then enemy SAMs on all altitudes will already be active and tracking airborne objects and thus there is a high interception chance for the missile especially if point of release if far as it will increase tracking time.Thus the surest way to take down a target is by directly going to it but then you loose the stealth advantage and find yourself trapped in the return flight and losses might happen.

 

[TsAr]

Going for an aircraft like the F35 just because its stealth isn't a very realistic idea if you want to pull something like Operation Opera.The entire premise of going in quietly and leaving quietly ends at the moment a target is struck.Aircraft like the F35 which will be using an internal bay in stealth config. wont be able to defend themselves against the ADAs sent after them due to the limited amount of weapons that can be carried in that config. and they also dont have the speed needed to leave the airspace.This brings us to the question that"For such an Operation wont Long range AGMs be used".The answer to this is yes.But remember the fact that if things have reached the point of an airstrike then enemy SAMs on all altitudes will already be active and tracking airborne objects and thus there is a high interception chance for the missile especially if point of release if far as it will increase tracking time.Thus the surest way to take down a target is by directly going to it but then you loose the stealth advantage and find yourself trapped in the return flight and losses might happen.

Why do you think that the F-35 would a lone soldier out there fighting the Iranian?

 

[Nightfox]

Why do you think that the F-35 would a lone soldier out there fighting the Iranian?

It wont and I only talked about the scenario where stealth matters the most when going against Iran i.e. deep strikes, the main goal of the F35.Their SAM systems maybe a little old but they are numerous.

 

[space cadet]

It wont and I only talked about the scenario where stealth matters the most when going against Iran i.e. deep strikes, the main goal of the F35.Their SAM systems maybe a little old but they are numerous.

but isn't that why you have the F-35? To kick the door down, take out the SAM systems.

 

[Nightfox]

but isn't that why you have the F-35? To kick the door down, take out the SAM systems.

Works until you wake them up after that its a cat and mouse chase.Cant destroy them all in 1 go and there's a 50/50 interception chance of your anti radiation missile.And then the fact that only a few SAM systems may keep active radar all the time and the rest keep radars switched offand wait until the chances of shooting the aircraft is max.Keeping all radars on all the time is like marking a bullseye on the back of a SAM system as it makes it vulnerable.Therefore there will always be more SAMs in an area than are visible unless AWACs also enter the fight but that's a separate debate for another thread i guess.

 

[TsAr]

It wont and I only talked about the scenario where stealth matters the most when going against Iran i.e. deep strikes, the main goal of the F35.Their SAM systems maybe a little old but they are numerous.

You are yourself denying your statement. Do you think that they have to destroy all the SAM sites of Iran or any other country?

 

[Nightfox]

You are yourself denying your statement. Do you think that they have to destroy all the SAM sites of Iran or any other country?

Any site worth a daring airstrike will always have multayer SAM protection.They wont hold the door open for you to come in and do damage.

 

[TsAr]

Any site worth a daring airstrike will always have multayer SAM protection.They wont hold the door open for you to come in and do damage.

SO are you saying that SAM batteries will be able to detect and stop F-35?

 

[space cadet]

Works until you wake them up after that its a cat and mouse chase.Cant destroy them all in 1 go and there's a 50/50 interception chance of your anti radiation missile.And then the fact that only a few SAM systems may keep active radar all the time and the rest keep radars switched offand wait until the chances of shooting the aircraft is max.Keeping all radars on all the time is like marking a bullseye on the back of a SAM system as it makes it vulnerable.Therefore there will always be more SAMs in an area than are visible unless AWACs also enter the fight but that's a separate debate for another thread i guess.

It might be a cat and mouse game, the cat will be fine, the mouse will be half deaf and blind and afraid to turn his radar on

 

[Nightfox]

SO are you saying that SAM batteries will be able to detect and stop F-35?

Eventually yes.

 

[Nightfox]

It might be a cat and mouse game, the cat will be fine, the mouse will be half deaf and blind and afraid to turn his radar on

There are many cats with alot of surface to air missiles but unfortunately our mouse only has a limited amount of towed decoys to save itself.Its just a matter of luck after that.

 

[space cadet]

There are many cats with alot of surface to air missiles but unfortunately our mouse only has a limited amount of towed decoys to save itself.Its just a matter of luck after that.

towed decoys, ha ha ha. You forget, it's not just F-35s, it's spoofing, jamming, decoys, cruise missiles, anti radiation missiles, you overwhelm cut their communication and leave them in disarray, to think they would only face one platform is ignorant. Another thing that people don't understand, you don't have to destroy all their air defenses, you just need to clear a lane, and keep it clear for the strike aircraft

 

[TsAr]

Eventually yes.

And how did you come to this conclusion?

 

[Nightfox]

@TsAr @mtime7 open a new thread and we can discuss this further.Its going very offtopic now and i dont wanna get banned once more.

 

[TsAr]

@TsAr @mtime7 open a new thread and we can discuss this further.Its going very offtopic now and i dont wanna get banned once more.

good idea please do open a new thread and elaborate your point there so that other members can also learn and understand your point of view.