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ISIS will be diminished and replaced by an even more radical group. The leftovers from ISIS will join the new group and the whole cycle will repeat itself until Islam is done away with.
 

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ISIS will be diminished and replaced by an even more radical group. The leftovers from ISIS will join the new group and the whole cycle will repeat itself until Islam is done away with.

This sounds like a prophecy. Although it could probably happen as well. But it's crazy how people are being recruited by them these days. I just learned from this forum too that a once supermodel left the catwalk just to join this group. That's insane!
 

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All the brainwashed will have died and the core leaders will be hiding out somewhere planning what to do next and how to recruit more followers. They will appear to have been weakened, but all they are doing is regrouping.

The only way to stop this is all the other countries to flush out all supporters and create laws to hold them under the prevention of terrorism act (we have it in the UK) and look at the bigger picture, Human Rights exist to protect humans, not the rights of people who want to destroy humanity. Halt the soldiers and finances then they have no army and no funds.
 

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I can. Business is business. As long as the Daesh can pay, someone will sell to them. Businessmen, especially arms manufacturers, do not seem like people who care much about political questions. Their main objective is to make money.

Yeah, that is true, but at the same time the governments from those countries should control the companies that sell weapons or else they too have blood in their hands.
 

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I don't think they bought all that. It's a mixed bag. Some they bought. Some were gifted to them. Some they stole. Whatever. It all adds up to a pretty lethal arsenal. I think the US should stop using conventional arms in the Middle-East. A machinegun, for example, can be used equally well by a friendly soldier or an enemy soldier. Perhaps it's time to send drones, both airborne and landbased. A drone only works from its control console which can be 1000s of kilometres from the battlefield. And drones can be programmed to self-destruct.

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This picture is simply brutal, that's a small war machine, designed to kill, so the bigger war machines are even more powerful. We develop amazing technology, shame that it's to kill each others. Impressive either cases. :)
 

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You are for the Caliphate? Maybe the time isn't right yet? Or according to the prophesy the insurgency will bring an end to Islam as it's known? I'm not well-versed in these prophecies so I'm merely speculating here. But from what I gather by 2020 which is only 5 years from now, the Caliphate would have been established, right? But if you look at how determined nations are to put an end to ISIS reign of terror do you think that in 5 years they will have become strong enough to rule more than half of Asia? What of when nations such as China decide to get involved in the conflict?

The West has failed to stop ISIS so far but this is because they are unwilling to send soldiers to face the jihadists on the ground. When they realize their ["boots in the air"]strategy doesn't work, they may decide to send troops in. It's only a matter of time. And from then on it will be a war of attrition. The side which sticks in long enough wins.
 

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It is very terrifying how well armed ISIS seems to be. It says a lot about policies regarding arming third party groups if a large fraction of military supplies are ending up in hostile hands.
 

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USA spends more of their technology and it's all that. They indeed are successful in producing top-tier military equipment - among the most advanced. But war isn't all about your weapons. It's also about nationality and intention, and of course strategy. US wasn't able to defeat the Vietnam. What the Vietnamese have to say is that, "Books are greater and more effective weapons than guns and bombs.". USA shouldn't all weigh their battle with their equipment. Before this, they should have values first instilled within the deepest of themselves. Maybe they have it, but not enough. Or maybe they don't have it at all.
 

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You are for the Caliphate? Maybe the time isn't right yet? Or according to the prophesy the insurgency will bring an end to Islam as it's known? I'm not well-versed in these prophecies so I'm merely speculating here. But from what I gather by 2020 which is only 5 years from now, the Caliphate would have been established, right? But if you look at how determined nations are to put an end to ISIS reign of terror do you think that in 5 years they will have become strong enough to rule more than half of Asia? What of when nations such as China decide to get involved in the conflict?

The West has failed to stop ISIS so far but this is because they are unwilling to send soldiers to face the jihadists on the ground. When they realize their ["boots in the air"]strategy doesn't work, they may decide to send troops in. It's only a matter of time. And from then on it will be a war of attrition. The side which sticks in long enough wins.

ISIS is not necessarily force which will form Caliphate. Think of a Caliphate as an Arab Unitarian State. It will not work with non-Arab nations because they don't want to be part of one. Turks for example have one nation, and that is Turkey. Iranians have Iran. Arabs have a couple dozen nations that are similar(not entirely) in culture and religion. About 10 of these states are involved in conflict which has devastated their country. The stable states are not taking a lead to restore hope in the region. Instead they are declaring all forms of war against certain Arabs while supporting other Arabs for rule reasons. Therefore, it's not viable to have this leadership for any longer.

Whilst at same time, it's not realistic to see change amongst Arabs any time soon in next few decades. And there are many disputes in Arab world that are deep rooted. Nothing can unite Arabs except one thing, and that is Islam. Which is why you need an Islamic version of an Unitarian State. It may not achieve economic/scientific progress on largescale. But, that is because they're in midst of political struggle. This 'Caliphate' if you will will achieve political objectives Arabs seek to achieve. And will form discplined military force which is highly needed.
 

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I get it. So the Caliphate is supposed to unite all Arab nations but what they need is a great religious leader to unite them all. But with such unity will come ambition to gain more territory for the Caliph. Muslims will want to convert more people to Islam and the old conflicts would be re-ignited with obvious results . . . war, suffering for many people, etc.
 

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There is a scene in Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass in which Alice meets the White Knight who is wearing full armour and riding a horse off which he keeps falling.

Alice expresses curiosity about why he has placed spiked metal anklets on his horse's legs just above the hoofs. "To guard against the bites of sharks," he explains, and proudly shows her other ingenious devices attached to himself and his horse.

Alice notices that the knight has a mouse trap fastened to his saddle. "I was wondering what the mouse trap was for," says Alice. "It isn't very likely there would be any mice on the horse's back." "Not very likely, perhaps," says the Knight, "but if they do come, I don't choose to have them running all about." It's as well "to be provided for everything", adds the Knight. As he explains his plans for countering these supposed dangers, he continues to tumble off his horse.

The White Knight's approach to military procurement is very similar to that of the American and British military establishments. They drain their budgets to purchase vastly expensive equipment to meet threats that may never exist, much like the sharks and mice that menace Alice's acquaintance. Thus the Pentagon spends $400bn (£257bn) on developing the F-35 fighter (Britain is buying planes at a cost of £100m each) to gain air superiority over Russia and China in the event of a war with either power.

Meanwhile, equipment needed to fight real wars is neglected, even though no answer has been found to old-fashioned weapons such as improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that caused two-thirds of the US-led coalition's casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A strange aspect of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq is that there has been so little criticism of the failure of expensively equipped Western armies to defeat lightly armed and self-trained insurgents. This is in sharp contrast to the aftermath of the US Army's failure to win the war in Vietnam in the 1960s and 1970s. The question is of more than historic interest because the US, UK and other allies are re-entering the wars in Iraq and Syria where they are seeking to "degrade and ultimately destroy" the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis).

Perhaps the military are not being blamed for lack of success in Iraq and Afghanistan because the failure there is seen as political, rather than military. There is some truth in this, but it is also true that army commanders have been agile in avoiding responsibility for what went wrong. A senior US diplomat asked me in exasperation in Baghdad five or six years ago: "Whatever happened to the healthy belief the American public had after Vietnam that our generals seldom tell the truth?"

Iraq this year has seen a more grotesque and wide-ranging failure than the inability to cope with IEDs. The Iraqi Army was created and trained by the US at great expense, but this summer it was defeated by a far smaller and less well-armed force of insurgents led by Isis. It was one of the most shameful routs in history, as Iraqi Army commanders abandoned their men, jumped into helicopters and fled. The new Iraqi Prime Minister, Haider al-Abadi, admits that 50,000 "ghost soldiers" in the Iraqi Army had never existed and their salaries fraudulently diverted into their officers' pockets.

The Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police Service, some 350,000 soldiers and 650,000 police, had been built by the US at a cost of $26bn since 2003, according to the recent report of the US Special Investigator General for Iraq Reconstruction. It is a fascinating document that demands answers to many questions, such as how did $9.4bn get spent on training, staffing and supplying the Iraqi police, though this force is notorious for its corruption and incompetence. Another $3.4bn went on supplying the Iraqi Army with tanks, aircraft, boats, armoured personnel carriers and other equipment, much of which was later captured by Isis. Curiously, Isis was immediately able to find crews for the tanks and artillerymen for the guns without any lengthy and expensive training programmes.

The 3,000 American soldiers President Obama has sent back into Iraq are to start training the remaining 26 brigades of the Iraqi Army all over again, without anybody asking what went wrong between 2003 and 2014. Why is it that Isis recruits can fight effectively after two weeks' military training and two weeks' religious instruction, but the Iraqi Army cannot? Maybe the very fact of being foreign-trained delegitimises them in their own eyes and that of their people.

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The Iraqi Army now consists of some 350,000 soldiers (AFP/Getty)

Renewed foreign military intervention in Iraq and Syria is primarily in the form of air strikes of which there have been more than 1,000 since bombing started in Iraq on 8 August. What is striking about these figures is that there have been so few compared to the 48,224 air strikes during the 43 days of bombing against Saddam Hussein's army in 1991. A reason for this is that Isis is a guerrilla force that can be dispersed, so only about 10 per cent of missions flown actually lead to air strikes against targets on the ground.

Only against the Isis forces besieging the Syrian-Kurdish town of Kobani in northern Syria is the US Air Force able to inflict heavy casualties. It is not clear why Isis continues with a battle where it is most vulnerable to air power, but the probable reason is that it wants to prove it can win another divinely inspired victory, despite heavy air attacks.

In more than 10 years of war in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, it is the insurgents and not those in charge of Western military policy and procurement who have developed the most effective cocktail of military tactics and methods of attack suited to local circumstances. These include various types of IEDs supplemented by booby traps that make those few areas reconquered from Isis dangerous for soldiers and uninhabitable for civilians.

IS has turned suicide bombing by individuals or by vehicles packed with explosives into an integral part of their fighting repertoire, enabling them to make devastating use of untrained but fanatical foreign volunteers. Isis deploys well-trained snipers and mortar teams, but its most effective weapon is spreading terror by publicising its atrocities through the internet.

Gruesome though these tactics are, they are much more effective than anything developed by Western armies in these same conflicts. Worse, Western training encourages an appetite on the part of its allies for helicopters, tanks and artillery that only have limited success in Iraqi conditions, although bombing does have an impact in preventing Isis using a good road system for attacks by several hundred fighters in convoys of pick-up trucks and captured Humvees.

While Isis may be suffering more casualties, it is in a position to recruit tens of thousands fighters from the population of at least five or six million that it controls. Six months after the Islamic State was declared, it has not grown smaller. As with the White Knight, the US and its allies are not undertaking the measures necessary to fight their real enemy.

As of Dec. 11, 2014, the total cost of operations related to ISIL since kinetic operations started on Aug. 8, 2014 is $1.02 billion and the average daily cost is $8.1 million.

War with Isis: Despite billions spent on weapons, the US has not been able to counter the militants' gruesome tactics
Isis are not your average rag tag militia but hardened,brutal militants who are hell bent on causing as much chaos and terror as possible.Their aim is to instil fear on the western world and discourage volunteers from venturing in places that require dire humanitarian aid.It will require the collective efforts of Islamic states to counter the threat that they pose.
 
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It says a lot about policies regarding arming third party groups if a large fraction of military supplies are ending up in hostile hands.

This is the dilemma facing the US when it comes to supplying aid to their allies. If they don't send arms, they are accused of not sending aid. If they send arms, there is a better than 50/50 chance that the arms will fall into enemy hands, or the allies will, one day, become enemies. That's why I think it might be a better idea to send drones instead. With drones, the control remains in US hands.
 

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They already have blood on their hands. Lots of blood. So what's a little more blood?

That's what they think I am afraid, but that is a terrible mentality you know, we should not get any more blood on our hands, we should start to act clean.
 

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This is the dilemma facing the US when it comes to supplying aid to their allies. If they don't send arms, they are accused of not sending aid. If they send arms, there is a better than 50/50 chance that the arms will fall into enemy hands, or the allies will, one day, become enemies. That's why I think it might be a better idea to send drones instead. With drones, the control remains in US hands.

Yes, the US seems damned if they do and damned if they don't! The problem with being the world superpower is that everyone always expects them to do something. I agree that drones are a very useful tool in their arsenal, at least in combination with other aid.
 
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