A PIA Airbus airplane flying from Lahore to Karachi has crashed with 95 passengers onboard

[Counter-Errorist]

The more I read, the more I agree with @Zeeman that it seems like a pilot error.

At 2:30 (PST), the plane was 15nm at MAKLI, flying at 10,000ft instead of 7,000ft. ATC gave the first warning. The pilot said he is comfortable. At 10nm, the plane was at 7,000ft instead of 3,000ft. Second warning by ATC. The pilot responded that he is satisfied and can handle it.

Flew too high. Then descended too fast. Plane had too much energy to dissipate enough to get to landing speed.
They were landing too fast. Gear refused to deploy at that speed. Plane urgent warnings TOO LOW, GEAR. Pilot ignored TOO LOW, GEAR warning probably due to stress or tunnel vision. Plane skids on runway, damaging engines. Still too fast to continue landing. Pilot decides to go around.
We know the rest.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

During 1st attempt, engine scraped runway at 3 points - 4,500ft, 5,500ft, and 7000ft.

Only during second attempt, the pilot informed of a landing gear problem.

 

[BATMAN]

It's hard to trust narrative of a corrupt org. blindly.
If it's pilot mistake, PIA shall make public all conversation with ctrl tower and as well the BB data

 

[Khafee]

During 1st attempt, engine scraped runway at 3 points - 4,500ft, 5,500ft, and 7000ft.

Only during second attempt, the pilot informed of a landing gear problem.

Like they say two sides to a story - What I want to know is why was the most experienced A320 pilot in PIA's fleet coming in so high and so fast. What were his instrument readings? Why didn't he abort landing and do a go around.

About 10yrs back, while landing at KHI, an EK flt did a last min abort. I was on the flt. There was a truck crossing the runway! I was watching all of this on the fwd cam.

Like @BATMAN said, ATC recordings, BB, French investigative teams findings, enggr records (although pretty much useless), all of these will help paint a proper picture, as to the actual cause of this tragedy.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Like they say two sides to a story - What I want to know is why was the most experienced A320 pilot in PIA's fleet coming in so high and so fast. What were his instrument readings? Why didn't he abort landing and do a go around.

About 10yrs back, while landing at KHI, an EK flt did a last min abort. I was on the flt. There was a truck crossing the runway! I was watching all of this on the fwd cam.

Like @BATMAN said, ATC recordings, BB, French investigative teams findings, enggr records (although pretty much useless), all of these will help paint a proper picture, as to the actual cause of this tragedy.

Hope I'm wrong here.

 

[Zeeman]

Great cockpit voice recorder is gone missing

 

[Khafee]

Great cockpit voice recorder is gone missing

Was waiting for the twist in the story. Unless it is found, we will never know if the instruments were working fine, or if the pilots judgement was compromised for some reason.

Makes life easier for the airline.

 

[Zeeman]

سی اے اے کو کاکپٹ وائس ریکارڈر غائب ہونے کا خدشہ

ذرائع سی اے اے کا کہنا ہے کہ ایوی ایشن حکام کو اب تک کاک پٹ وائس ریکارڈر نہ ملنے پر تشویش ہے۔

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[Khafee]

سی اے اے کو کاکپٹ وائس ریکارڈر غائب ہونے کا خدشہ

ذرائع سی اے اے کا کہنا ہے کہ ایوی ایشن حکام کو اب تک کاک پٹ وائس ریکارڈر نہ ملنے پر تشویش ہے۔

jang.com.pk

 

[Gripen9]

Oh man!

 

[Gripen9]

Here is a CGI of the accident done by FlightChannel.

Someone mentioned that above 200 kts, under carriage will not come down as is (need to confirm).

 

[Khafee]

Here is a CGI of the accident done by FlightChannel.

Someone mentioned that above 200 kts, under carriage will not come down as is (need to confirm).

I think it was 240kts or 260kts. @safriz ?

 

[Gripen9]

This whole tragic case makes no sense.
You have a very experienced pilot doing the final approach at very high speed and very steep decent. The first approach has been independently mapped. Keeping in mind potential gross negligence by engineering in declaring the aircraft airworthy after 2 months of storage (most probably w/o due process). The first landing attempt does not make sense at all.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Here is a CGI of the accident done by FlightChannel.

Someone mentioned that above 200 kts, under carriage will not come down as is (need to confirm).

This could very well be misleading. I find it very hard to believe that a pilot coming into a belly landing will not inform ATC or passengers and cabin crew. Emergency vehicles are needed on the ground immediately.

 

[Gripen9]

This could very well be misleading. I find it very hard to believe that a pilot coming into a belly landing will not inform ATC or passengers and cabin crew. Emergency vehicles are needed on the ground immediately.

I don't think he intended to land the first time. and he was too fast for the under carriage to be deployed.

One thing I can think of is the pitot tube were malfunctioning (ala AirFrance A340 crash over Atlantic) giving incorrect speed and height. But then ATC should have informed the pilot.