A PIA Airbus airplane flying from Lahore to Karachi has crashed with 95 passengers onboard

[Counter-Errorist]

I don't think he intended to land the first time. and he was too fast for the under carriage to be deployed.

I don't follow. What was his intention coming this close to the ground if not to land. Even if instruments were misleading, the runway and ground were clear ahead.

 

[Gripen9]

I don't follow. What was his intention coming this close to the ground if not to land. Even if instruments were misleading, the runway and ground were clear ahead.

Sorry. Didn't write that properly.
What I meant to say was it was not his intention to belly land during the first attempt as there were no Mayday calls or ATC declaring emergency. He was however coming in too steep and too fast for him to even attempt a regular landing either?

My first thoughts were that he tried to deploy the landing gear and they didn't (or partially), so wanted to do a low pass in front of ATC for them to visually confirm. But based on the data independently available, he was too fast for the under carriage to come down as is.

 

[Scorpion]

Here is my uncle Saudia pilot speaking about the crash.


Not everyone understands Arabic but he said it was a human error

flying at high speed at high altitude before landing. He said flight control is also to be blamed for clearing the landing request. Most world countries will not give clear to land with that speed and altitude.

 

[space cadet]

Here is my uncle Saudia pilot speaking about the crash.


Not everyone understands Arabic but he said it was a human error

flying at high speed at high altitude before landing. He said flight control is also to be blamed for clearing the landing request. Most world countries will not give clear to land with that speed and altitude.

I just wonder why an experienced pilot would try to force a landing, what would his logic be?

 

[Zeeman]

Complete idiots.....



PIA 777 taxied without all-clear from ground crew
By David Kaminski-Morrow14 May 2020


UK investigators have determined that a Pakistan International Airlines Boeing 777-200LR incorrectly assumed that ground-support equipment had been removed before commencing to taxi, striking the towbar which was still in front of the jet.
The tug and towbar had been disconnected from the aircraft (AP-BGZ), which was preparing to depart Birmingham on 22 August last year.
UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch analysis found that the 777 crew could see the tug parked to the left of the aircraft’s nose, and assumed the ground personnel had left.
But the ground personnel – unseen by the pilots – were positioning the towbar behind the tug, ready for removal.

Source: AAIB
As it moved forward the 777-200LR struck the towbar
The captain asked the first officer to request taxi clearance. Neither checked with air traffic control to remove doubt that all ground personnel were clear, and neither received a final all-clear hand signal.
Just 23s after the towbar was disconnected, the 777 began to move forwards. The inquiry says this interval would normally be around 2-3min.
“Shortly after starting to move, the aircraft struck the towbar and the crew stopped and applied the parking brake,” says the inquiry.
Neither of the ground personnel nor the tug was struck by the aircraft, although the towbar and the runway surface were damaged. The aircraft was inspected by a ground engineer and subsequently cleared to depart.

 

[Mastankhan]

Here is my uncle Saudia pilot speaking about the crash.


Not everyone understands Arabic but he said it was a human error

flying at high speed at high altitude before landing. He said flight control is also to be blamed for clearing the landing request. Most world countries will not give clear to land with that speed and altitude.

Hi,

In most countries the Controller would have been yelling at the pilot---and in quite a few---the pilot would be severely reprimanded or fired---.

In emirates---the pilot dare not do that kind of stunt for fear of being jailed if survived---.

 

[Mastankhan]

Complete idiots.....



PIA 777 taxied without all-clear from ground crew
By David Kaminski-Morrow14 May 2020


UK investigators have determined that a Pakistan International Airlines Boeing 777-200LR incorrectly assumed that ground-support equipment had been removed before commencing to taxi, striking the towbar which was still in front of the jet.
The tug and towbar had been disconnected from the aircraft (AP-BGZ), which was preparing to depart Birmingham on 22 August last year.
UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch analysis found that the 777 crew could see the tug parked to the left of the aircraft’s nose, and assumed the ground personnel had left.
But the ground personnel – unseen by the pilots – were positioning the towbar behind the tug, ready for removal.

Source: AAIB
As it moved forward the 777-200LR struck the towbar
The captain asked the first officer to request taxi clearance. Neither checked with air traffic control to remove doubt that all ground personnel were clear, and neither received a final all-clear hand signal.
Just 23s after the towbar was disconnected, the 777 began to move forwards. The inquiry says this interval would normally be around 2-3min.
“Shortly after starting to move, the aircraft struck the towbar and the crew stopped and applied the parking brake,” says the inquiry.
Neither of the ground personnel nor the tug was struck by the aircraft, although the towbar and the runway surface were damaged. The aircraft was inspected by a ground engineer and subsequently cleared to depart.

Hi,

I believe it was an intentional hold by the ground crew to cause that kind of accident---.

 

[Gripen9]

 

[Khafee]

See this is the worrying part. how has the CVR disappeared? Now there will always be a question mark hanging in the air, as to the credibility of the investigation report.

This malicious action should be investigated ASAP!

 

[Zulu]

Most imp who can differentiate and can retrieve it (as see in pic ) definitely not an novice and whom consider it dangerous for their reputation ???First and simple rule of investigation start from those who gonna benefited from it

See this is the worrying part. how has the CVR disappeared? Now there will always be a question mark hanging in the air, as to the credibility of the investigation report.

This malicious action should be investigated ASAP!

 

[Khafee]

Cockpit voice recorder of PIA's crashed plane recovered
28 May,2020

KARACHI (Dunya News) – The French experts of Airbus company visited the incident site, where the Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) plane crashed, on the third day and continued investigation, Dunya News reported on Thursday.

The investigation team used latest technical equipments to interrogate the matter through forensic science.

Sources have revealed that the flight data recorder (FDR) will be sent to France for decoding. The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) was recovered from the debris today.

The investigation team had been assigned the task to inspect the affected buildings to recover the CVR and the services of PIA engineering and technical ground force and Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) Security and Vigilance were acquired as well.

The experts of Airbus company will continue investigation from crash area to runway and collect further evidences from the wreckage. The foreign experts will also be briefed at the Civil Aviation Headquarters and the PIA Head Office.

Let it be known that at least 97 were killed and dozens others wounded after a PIA plane crashed with nearly 100 people on board in Karachi on Friday.

The PIA plane was close to landing when it came down among houses, sparking an explosion and killing several people on the ground.

The national carrier’s flight PK-8303 took off from Lahore’s Allama Iqbal International Airport and crashed in Model Colony area in Malir, approximately 4 kilometers away from the airport.

 

[Zulu]

Everybody knows PALPA highly incompetent pilots only expert in politics mostly appointed by source not merits but ENGG dept is also not far away .Anyone remember when on UK airport they find inside some parts holding together by rope ??? 2 goroy engineers ko tu heart attack aa giya thaa

 

[Khafee]

Everybody knows PALPA highly incompetent pilots only expert in politics mostly appointed by source not merits but ENGG dept is also not far away .Anyone remember when on UK airport they find inside some parts holding together by rope ??? 2 goroy engineers ko tu heart attack aa giya thaa

I remember back in 2000 or 2001 there was an incident at DXB. PIA had leased a narrow body from Turkey, and one of its doors was held together with ropes. A formal protest by UAE CAA was made.

For some airlines, safety is paramount, for PIA it is the other way around.

 

[safriz]

FDR and CVR both found intact and handed over to authorities.

Now we can put the rumours of a lost CVR to rest.

 

[safriz]

I think it was 240kts or 260kts. @safriz ?

Watch from 6:30 onwards. He explained all speed limits.
The aircraft was above and beyond all speed limits and probably landed without appropriate settings of flight control surfaces.