Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Safri167]

Like it or not you already become the part of bigger game

sir,
its not about my liking, i believe we were destined for it.
so the chinese are saying , take the stuff you know better than us to use it.
my Q is why are they giving us blk70 then?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Stealth 5th generation will be obsolete soon, and focus will shift back to 4.5th Gen for at least 2 more decades.

Trust me, 5th Gen, Apart from stealth, Isn’t mission friendly, The payload capacity, Mounting capacity, Restricted movements, and furthermore, The advancements in Air defence Tech, Stealth might be soon obsolete.

Rather, We must wait for 6th Gen.

Some 6th Gen projects in works are :

FCFS, AZM, China, USA, Boeing, And Iran’s Ultra advanced Tidda Qaher 313 188th Gen Fighter

5th Generation can provide cover up to 4.5 generation aircraft carrying strike package

 

[Hawkeye]

5th Generation can provide cover up to 4.5 generation aircraft carrying strike package

5th generation jets like F35 can also use for stike purpose. It can launch SOWs can also carry multiple smaller munitions such as the GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs (SDB), GBU-53/B SDB II, and the SPEAR 3 anti-tank missiles; up to four SDBs can be carried per station for the F-35A and F-35C, and three for F-35B.

 

[Araz]

Unless PN invests immediately in Destroyers and more subs as well as Anti Sub warfare and Moderate but Highly Dangerous fleet of Flankers, To give the required offensive punch from the air that our sub surface fleet lacks

You have to remember that just having a platform for the navy will not work. It was said to me that naval familiarization with a platform can take 3 -4 years. So once we have a platform it will still be 3-4 yrs before we have the confidence to take it for war. I agree PN will be weaker in any war gaming exercise but we located their best subsurface platform and forced it to surface whereas they have not managed to do so YET. Is this a pointer for things to come? We were sceptical about the PAF pre 27/02. Does anyone have the same misgivings?
Answers often are not as simple as they seem.
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[Khafee]

Interesting. Let me play well, I hate the term but, a devil's advocate. USN effectively counters PLAN in Indian Ocean and calls for a ceasefire between India and Pakistan. The goras do what they did in Bosnia and Libya - call to "boycott both sides" when actually they are helping one side. PLAN stays out of the war or risks being knocked out in the Indian Ocean.

IN blockade ensures Chinese CPEC plan has effectively been neutralized. China back to the dilemma at the Straits of Malacca.

You sneaky man, you already know the answer

 

[Gripen9]

You sneaky man, you already know the answer

PLAn Arabian Sea task force will just change flags

 

[Khafee]

PLAn Arabian Sea task force will just change flags

I didnt say anything

 

[Tunamelt]

Big base might be moving squadron, potentially for J-15.

Any way's hi every one https://world-defense.com/threads/asalam-o-alikum.7878/ introduction this time its proper

 

[Signalian]

Assalamoalaikum.
I was going through posts in this thread and while reading the posts of respectable @Signalian , a thought came to my mind about possible acquisition of J 15s by PAF.
We have already discussed that because of Russian factor, it may be relatively better to choose J 15 amongst the chinese flankers, plus, the PN needs twin engine, heavier fighters more than single engine jets. But one thing is quite interesting in choosing these particular flankers.
The airbases of Pakistan throughout the country have hangers built for single engine, relatively smaller fighter aircrafts. Dimension wise, the biggest aircraft that we operate is F-16 whose rough dimensions are 5, 10 and 15 meters for height, width and length. The dimensions of flankers are roughly 6, 14.5 to 15 and 22 meters for height, width and length.
Out of these dimensions, length doesn't seem to be a problem as we have seen hangers to be quite long in comparison to the aircrafts. Height has the difference of 1 meter which may also not be a problem inshaaAllah.
But the width is too much to be parked in any hanger made for F-16 size aircraft at maximum.
J-15 has folding wings and the folded dimensions in width are about 7.42m, or roughly, 7.5 meters. In wings-folded state, they can be accomodated in any hanger within Pakistani airbases inshaaAllah.
Just my thought for selection of J-15 over any other chinese flanker!
I might be wrong totally.

Perhaps new type of hardened shelters ? Perhaps new airbase like inception of Bholari, strategically placing J-15 ?

 

[Signalian]

Even then, are you privy to what men in uniform are ?

I say this, based on your intial reaction to a flanker variant's inevitable induction.

Some info can be revealed, some cannot be revealed. I hold myself accountable too.

 

[Signalian]

Assets will be shared with PAF.

IA we will see, a separate independent offensive Aviation arm. A mix of single and twin heavies, 150 all in. Within a decade.

The only question here is: Before, or After, AZM's launch.

What do the Marines get out of this ?

 

[Signalian]

Massive bomb dropped by @Khafee I was waiting to see the reaction but surprisingly no reaction yet. The implication of this is immense.

From my point of view, this essentially means China is building up Pakistan to take over responsibility for protecting the maritime CPEC link. Such a massive force will be powerful enough to be a regional power on its own right.

Obviously Pakistan cannot afford this so where is the money coming from? China of course.

Now, if Pakistan can cash in on a future US attack on Iran, that would be... getting ahead of myself, I'll leave that convo for another day.

150 aircraft - what would it include?
2 JF-17 squadrons
2-3 J-15 squadrons
12-20 MPA
4 approx AWACs
5-10 approx SAR helicopters
20+ PN helicopter fleet

What this implies -
A considerable expansion of not only the air arm but the surface and sub-surface arms. Very likely - Destroyers.

All this deployed along 990 Km coastline ?

 

[Signalian]

Eventually Destroyers will come too, as well as a decent number of fighter jets. What I am waiting for, is the launch of PN's offensive Air Arm IA.

Destroyers provide escort to Cruisers or Aircraft carriers, since neither serve in PN, the plausible induction could be capability of ABM integration for AD apart from carrying a cruise missile. Interestingly, Frigates and subs will then be deployed to escort Destroyers, usually its the other way round.

 

[Signalian]

Stealth 5th generation will be obsolete soon, and focus will shift back to 4.5th Gen for at least 2 more decades.

Trust me, 5th Gen, Apart from stealth, Isn’t mission friendly, The payload capacity, Mounting capacity, Restricted movements, and furthermore, The advancements in Air defence Tech, Stealth might be soon obsolete.

Rather, We must wait for 6th Gen.

Some 6th Gen projects in works are :

FCFS, AZM, China, USA, Boeing, And Iran’s Ultra advanced Tidda Qaher 313 188th Gen Fighter

Stealthy aircraft compliment 4/4.5 gen aircrafts. They can become excellent EW assets in the air since they always have modern electronics/avionics suite installed on them. 6th gen is supposed to be un-manned. A stealth aircraft navigated by AWACS can prove deadly in CAPs, it makes difficult for radar guided AAMs to target them. Enemy needs larger and powerful radars to detect them at max ranges possible. In strike missions, they have enough payload to carry out the mission with precision strikes, exploiting gaps in enemy AD and radar coverage. I doubt 5th gen has gone obsolete.

 

[TomCat]

Stealthy aircraft compliment 4/4.5 gen aircrafts. They can become excellent EW assets in the air since they always have modern electronics/avionics suite installed on them. 6th gen is supposed to be un-manned. A stealth aircraft navigated by AWACS can prove deadly in CAPs, it makes difficult for radar guided AAMs to target them. Enemy needs larger and powerful radars to detect them at max ranges possible. In strike missions, they have enough payload to carry out the mission with precision strikes, exploiting gaps in enemy AD and radar coverage. I doubt 5th gen has gone obsolete.

Sir,

I never said “They have gone obsolete”,
Judging by the advancements of China and USA in terms of Stealth detection, And Since China is already in the game, I wouldn’t be surprised if in a span of 8-9 years, Stealthiness becomes a secondary feature.

Combo and How you field them is what matters in the end. Even F-7s can prove worthy to some point if we field them in such a way, That they are nothing more than decoys or Number incremental assets.

Focus should be to make Stealthy AWACS or miniaturized AWACS, That would be the ultimate deal, But I don’t think that is possible given the space requirements or the Huge sized Radar necessity.

However, A Stealthy AWACS UAV with a control room in some xyz location can be of a great use for deep strike missions where sending in your MANNED AWACS would be a very bad idea.