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@Gripen9 Can you sum up the pros and cons of an a/c from this thread, and how J-15 could actually be utilized without breaking the bank?
By attaching a string to it and pulling it back in after the tide takes it to the sea. Keep repeating this opt
Khafee likes to play the same game when I walk in after 12 hour shift.... and my wife is not talking to me. Now I have to figure out what happened while I wasn’t even at home ....

She will give all kinds of hints, make a call
Option, ask my mom, follow the clues but never just say what the hell happened ...
I believe the words your looking for are "passive aggressive"
 

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My only intention is for people to stop asking me to spoon feed them, and start using their brains. Ultimately I will reveal, what I know. Which could be true today, but maybe not tomorrow.
The only thing I'm thinking of right now is how I'm going to cook this chicken for iftar and you expect us to examine a blurry image. Lol
 

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Khafee likes to play the same game when I walk in after 12 hour shift.... and my wife is not talking to me. Now I have to figure out what happened while I wasn’t even at home ....

She will give all kinds of hints, make a call
Option, ask my mom, follow the clues but never just say what the hell happened ...
All wives are alike don't worry mine is same after work they expect you to figure it out why her mood is off Realy?
 

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@Gripen9 Can you sum up the pros and cons of an a/c from this thread, and how J-15 could actually be utilized without breaking the bank?
Ooh so much pressure.....
Start with Pros: Ultimate power projection. We can not only threaten Mumbai but all the way down the eastern ghats. This is India's soft underbelly. They have no defensive weapons deployed and it is their strategic depth. By threatening that, you push them to re allocate their assets relieving pressure on the border or they spend a whole lot more to put AD assets in mumbai, chennai etc.
Cons: Obviously a whole lotta expensive to operate and have a dedicated Task force with Area Defense destroyers, forward screening submarines and other support ships.

I must say, I have never given much thought to having a blue water navy just because of the dire economic situation we always seem to find ourselves. It does opens up a chess game between bigger powers. If US et al are trying to prop up India as a counter weight to China. China can pre-empt that by "propping" up Pakistan and trip up India. In that case fiscal issues go out of the window.

China can "loan" us the vessel just like INS Chakra and the new Akula SSN Russia loaned India.

Ideally I would like PLAN A/C somewhere off the coast of Yemen launch PAF aircraft. They interdict deep south and return to a land base. No fuss no muss. You can say, they did buddy refuelling and the strike was launched from a secret "Shangrila" base :D
 

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@Gripen9 Can you sum up the pros and cons of an a/c from this thread, and how J-15 could actually be utilized without breaking the bank?

@Khafee,

For how pakistan's geography stretches along the coast---it really does not need an aircraft carrier---.

It needs heavy naval air wing and air refuellers---.

China has a couple of 054 Frigates coming up for refurbishment---pakistan need to lease those right away and put them in service and give them back when its first two come in.

When pak navy is running with 4 type 054's---pak navy would be projecting itself in a different manner---.

And if there is a backing of at least 3 sqdrn's of heavy strike aircraft and 2 sqdrn's of JF17's for intercept and point defense---it would be a totally different game being played in the region---.
 

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@Khafee,

For how pakistan's geography stretches along the coast---it really does not need an aircraft carrier---.

It needs heavy naval air wing and air refuellers---.

China has a couple of 054 Frigates coming up for refurbishment---pakistan need to lease those right away and put them in service and give them back when its first two come in.

When pak navy is running with 4 type 054's---pak navy would be projecting itself in a different manner---.

And if there is a backing of at least 3 sqdrn's of heavy strike aircraft and 2 sqdrn's of JF17's for intercept and point defense---it would be a totally different game being played in the region---.
When I look at Pak Armed Forces procurements, I am relieved, and saddened at the same time. The urgency is not there! As an e.g. JF-17 Blk3 is delayed. So how about churning out Blk2's to make up the numbers. They can upgraded later, but.....
 

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Hi,

Really---. If my wife would have done that---I would very nicely and politely explain to her how things are going to work---and if it persisted---she would be headed where it is more comfortable---maybe at her parents house---till she decided to make her decision at what she planned to do for the future relationship---.

Don't take that abuse---. It is not worth it---.
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When I look at Pak Armed Forces procurements, I am relieved, and saddened at the same time. The urgency is not there! As an e.g. JF-17 Blk3 is delayed. So how about churning out Blk2's to make up the numbers. They can upgraded later, but.....

Hi,

As I have stated it many a times---there is TREASONOUS thinking in the top ranks of PAF---.

The BLK 3 would take 4-8 years for total integration with new aesa radar and how it could be used---.

So---why not build up 25 BLK2's a year---.

But I would rather have at least lease 3 sqdrns of J10 CE's which will fill up the much needed top tier.
 

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Hi,

As I have stated it many a times---there is TREASONOUS thinking in the top ranks of PAF---.

The BLK 3 would take 4-8 years for total integration with new aesa radar and how it could be used---.

So---why not build up 25 BLK2's a year---.

But I would rather have at least lease 3 sqdrns of J10 CE's which will fill up the much needed top tier.
Along the same line, they could just be leased, instead of an out right buy.
 

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Takeoff from a Chinese carrier in Arabian Sea, strike deep south return to Gwadar
That would make China involved in the war and thus china declaring war on india.
2~3yrs back when I mentioned boomers for PN, somewhere else, people went nuts.

ON TOPIC: All I will say is that the possibilities are endless. Feel free to explore all possibilities.

2 Possibilities,

1) @Gripen9
Lets make your possibility in Reverse Order , may be Operational needs require to Strike Deep & then not enough fuel to RTB, so they are recovered on carrier.
@Pakhtoon yum
This will be much Less heat for the Dragon (diplomatically) as compared to Launching the Pakistani Flying Sharks.

2) @Khafee
Here is my imagination and possibility ;

PN / PAF / PN Air Arm train on Chinese Carrier , & attain a level of self sufficiency in Operating it but Pakistan is not buying or leasing it (at the moment) as our economy & needs / policy does not allow the space to have one. It is just Training §§• . It also wont create any Red Flags (Officially) in the WEST as well. We have a good cover of "Protection of CPEC Sea Routes" which will be a combined effort of China & Pakistan & it will also be safeguarding investment & Assets of our GCC brothers in Gwadar (oil refinery, petrochemical plant etc).

As soon as shit hit the fan or is about to, red army is flown off the carrier ( strike group may or may not have all red army assets at this moment, as it will take at least a Decade to reach this point, PN might have more Frigates, Submarines while add Destroyers etc to its fleet) & Pakistan announce to the world of leasing an AC or complete CSG from China while Men in Green operate them.

This all may seem childish 7 far fetched but given the circumstances, this is the only Practical (in my naive thinking) use of carrier based J-15 purchased by Pakistan.

Not a $ spent from Pakistan's pocket & we have our needs fulfilled.

PS: PA /PAF / PN make Indian Armed forces shit in their pants at current position while being broke & numerically ( in some case qualitatively ) inferior to them, just Imagine the though of PN having a CBG & what it will do to Indians D:-D:xD:
 

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Ooh so much pressure.....
Start with Pros: Ultimate power projection. We can not only threaten Mumbai but all the way down the eastern ghats. This is India's soft underbelly. They have no defensive weapons deployed and it is their strategic depth. By threatening that, you push them to re allocate their assets relieving pressure on the border or they spend a whole lot more to put AD assets in mumbai, chennai etc.
Cons: Obviously a whole lotta expensive to operate and have a dedicated Task force with Area Defense destroyers, forward screening submarines and other support ships.

I must say, I have never given much thought to having a blue water navy just because of the dire economic situation we always seem to find ourselves. It does opens up a chess game between bigger powers. If US et al are trying to prop up India as a counter weight to China. China can pre-empt that by "propping" up Pakistan and trip up India. In that case fiscal issues go out of the window.

China can "loan" us the vessel just like INS Chakra and the new Akula SSN Russia loaned India.

Ideally I would like PLAN A/C somewhere off the coast of Yemen launch PAF aircraft. They interdict deep south and return to a land base. No fuss no muss. You can say, they did buddy refuelling and the strike was launched from a secret "Shangrila" base :D
2 Possibilities,

1) @Gripen9
Lets make your possibility in Reverse Order , may be Operational needs require to Strike Deep & then not enough fuel to RTB, so they are recovered on carrier.
@Pakhtoon yum
This will be much Less heat for the Dragon (diplomatically) as compared to Launching the Pakistani Flying Sharks.

2) @Khafee
Here is my imagination and possibility ;

PN / PAF / PN Air Arm train on Chinese Carrier , & attain a level of self sufficiency in Operating it but Pakistan is not buying or leasing it (at the moment) as our economy & needs / policy does not allow the space to have one. It is just Training §§• . It also wont create any Red Flags (Officially) in the WEST as well. We have a good cover of "Protection of CPEC Sea Routes" which will be a combined effort of China & Pakistan & it will also be safeguarding investment & Assets of our GCC brothers in Gwadar (oil refinery, petrochemical plant etc).

As soon as shit hit the fan or is about to, red army is flown off the carrier ( strike group may or may not have all red army assets at this moment, as it will take at least a Decade to reach this point, PN might have more Frigates, Submarines while add Destroyers etc to its fleet) & Pakistan announce to the world of leasing an AC or complete CSG from China while Men in Green operate them.

This all may seem childish 7 far fetched but given the circumstances, this is the only Practical (in my naive thinking) use of carrier based J-15 purchased by Pakistan.

Not a $ spent from Pakistan's pocket & we have our needs fulfilled.

PS: PA /PAF / PN make Indian Armed forces shit in their pants at current position while being broke & numerically ( in some case qualitatively ) inferior to them, just Imagine the though of PN having a CBG & what it will do to Indians D:-D:xD:
Good job, lets see if someone can add something of value to these already viable scenarios.
 

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2 Possibilities,

1) @Gripen9
Lets make your possibility in Reverse Order , may be Operational needs require to Strike Deep & then not enough fuel to RTB, so they are recovered on carrier.
@Pakhtoon yum
This will be much Less heat for the Dragon (diplomatically) as compared to Launching the Pakistani Flying Sharks.

2) @Khafee
Here is my imagination and possibility ;

PN / PAF / PN Air Arm train on Chinese Carrier , & attain a level of self sufficiency in Operating it but Pakistan is not buying or leasing it (at the moment) as our economy & needs / policy does not allow the space to have one. It is just Training §§• . It also wont create any Red Flags (Officially) in the WEST as well. We have a good cover of "Protection of CPEC Sea Routes" which will be a combined effort of China & Pakistan & it will also be safeguarding investment & Assets of our GCC brothers in Gwadar (oil refinery, petrochemical plant etc).

As soon as shit hit the fan or is about to, red army is flown off the carrier ( strike group may or may not have all red army assets at this moment, as it will take at least a Decade to reach this point, PN might have more Frigates, Submarines while add Destroyers etc to its fleet) & Pakistan announce to the world of leasing an AC or complete CSG from China while Men in Green operate them.

This all may seem childish 7 far fetched but given the circumstances, this is the only Practical (in my naive thinking) use of carrier based J-15 purchased by Pakistan.

Not a $ spent from Pakistan's pocket & we have our needs fulfilled.

PS:
PA /PAF / PN make Indian Armed forces shit in their pants at current position while being broke & numerically ( in some case qualitatively ) inferior to them, just Imagine the though of PN having a CBG & what it will do to Indians D:-D:xD:

That works too.
 
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